Who Owns Your Children?

[kaz]

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

 

[Jroc]

If you think this is brainwashing go right ahead.
Maybe these students are their own thinkers looking at all the facts.
They make their own judgements.
It's a sad statement you don't understand they have the right to their own thoughts and opinions.
Damn!!! I love the ideology of this country.

If you love this nation, and want your children to feel about it the way you do....you will find, sadly, that they will be corrupted by a Marxist history curriculum.
They will be taught that the rest of the world sees themselves as victims of America...and your children will be taught to see America through that lens: an evil, predatory nation.

Such is the result of the take-over by the 60s radicals....


How did it begin?

"The radicals of the sixties did not remain within the universities…They realized that the apocalypse never materialized. “…they were dropping off into environmentalism and consumerism and fatalism…I watched many of my old comrades apply to graduate school in universities they had failed to burn down, so they could get advanced degrees and spread the ideas that had been discredited in the streets under an academic cover.”
Collier and Horowitz, “Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About The Sixties,” p. 294-295.


What did they want?

"The radicals were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51





Having taken over the schools, at every level, and the media, the dissemination of information in the society, they had everything they needed to destroy what the Founders had given us.




And now, one more sign of how they despise the greatness of America, and mean to have that view indelibly impressed on the youth, is the change in the AP History exam, by the College Board.



1. " The College Board, ...has kicked off a national controversy by issuing a new and unprecedentedly detailed “Framework” for its AP U.S. History exam. This Framework will effectively force American high schools to teach U.S. history from a leftist perspective....the new AP U.S. History framework [is] closely tied to a movement of left-leaning historians that aims to “internationalize” the teaching of American history.... to “end American history as we have known it” by substituting a more “transnational” narrative for the traditional account.

2. ....also seeks to produce a generation of Americans more amendable to working through the United Nations and various left-leaning “non-governmental organizations” (NGOs) on issues like the environment and nuclear proliferation. A willingness to use foreign law to interpret the U.S. Constitution is likewise encouraged.




3. ... let’s have a closer look at its goals. NYU historian Thomas Bender is the leading spokesman ....Bender’s views can be found in his 2006 book, A Nation Among Nations: America’s Place in World History. ...

a. ... a thoroughgoing critic of American exceptionalism, the notion that America is freer and more democratic than any other nation, and for that reason, a model, vindicator, and at times the chief defender of ordered liberty and self-government in the world.

b. ... Bender wants to subordinate American identity to a cosmopolitan, “transnational” sensibility. ...Whereas the old U.S. history forged a shared national identity by emphasizing America’s distinctiveness, Bender hopes to encourage cosmopolitanism by “internationalizing” the American story.... Bender laments that history as taught in our schools has bred an “acceptance of the nation as the dominant form of human solidarity.”"
How the College Board Politicized U.S. History National Review Online




The hate-America brigade is on the verge of winning a momentous victory....and dealing the United States a coup de grâce.
.

The brainwashing continues at Harvard....Notice one of these students says "what we've been learning recently"

These kids aren't taught proper American history. they are taught leftist propaganda. History should be taught without an ideology, but that's all liberals have. It's their faith, their religion. Nothing else matters but that. Which is the problem

You live in a fantasy world. Really, you do.

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The truth hurts ...German boy

 

[Statistikhengst]

What for, you're smert enough to finger it out..

What's really funny is that you're fine with the embarrassment of not being able to spell "Columbus," as long as you can chalk up one more post.

It's good to have a hobby, huh?

1. The College Board is a national test, and determines what will be taught nationally, moron.

2. What matters who did it....is it right or wrong?
This is the second time I've asked you for an opinion on the removal.

Can't you come up with an opinion without waiting for an exploratory committee?

It doesnt matter who did it? Then why was your entire OP on blaming liberals for something that Republicans did? I mean, I literally did ONE google search and found out it was a lie? Why didnt you check out your source before posting it?

1. The 'education' industry is a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc.

2. Third request: ....is it right or wrong?

Ahhhh so that explains how you can blame liberals for the actions of Republicans. Except the OP said Liberals were doing this...now we know that also was wrong.

"2. Third request: ....is it right or wrong?"
You have inadvertently answered in the following way.

You are deathly afraid of admitting that the removal of Jefferson, Franklin, Winthrop is totally wrong, and is aimed at suggesting that our history is not our history.

Imagine if you could tell the truth without the fear of losing your Liberal credentials.

Here's a list of recommended texts, by the College Board, for the AP US History course:

Index of Textbooks
Ayers, Edward L., Lewis L. Gould, David M. Oshinsky, Jean R. Soderlund. American Passages: A History of the United States, 74th edition. Cengage, 2015.
Ayers, Edward L., Lewis L. Gould, David M. Oshinsky, Jean R. Soderlund. American Passages: A History of the United States, Brief 64th edition. Cengage, 2013.
Berkin, Carol, Christopher L. Miller, Robert W. Cherny, James L. Gormly, Douglas Egerton, Kelly Woestman. Making America: A History of the United States, Brief, 6th edition. Cengage 2013.
Boyer, Paul S., Clifford E. Clark, Jr., Karen Halttuenen, Joseph F. Kett, Neal Salisbury, Harvard Sitkoff, Nancy Woloch. The Enduring Vision: A History of the American People, 8th edition. Cengage, 2013.
Brinkley, Alan. American History: A Survey w/PSI CD, 12th edition. McGraw-Hill, 2008.
Brinkley, Alan. The Unfinished Nation: A Concise History of the American People, 7th edition. McGraw-Hill, 2013.
Davidson, James W., Brian DeLay, Christine Leigh Heyrman, Mark H. Lytle, Michael B. Stoff. Nation of Nations: A Narrative History of the American Republic, 6th Edition. McGraw-Hill, 2007.
Divine, Breen, Fredrickson, Williams, Gross & Brands. America Past and Present, Combined Volume, 10th edition. Pearson Education, 2012.
Faragher, John Mack, Mari Jo Buhle, Daniel Czitrom & Susan Armitage. Out of Many, Combined Volume, 7th edition. Pearson Education, 2011.
Foner, Eric. Give Me Liberty! An American History, 4th edition. W.W. Norton & Company, 2013.
Fraser, James W. By the People, A History of the United States AP Edition. Pearson Education, 2015.
Garraty, John A. and Mark C. Carnes. American Destiny: Narrative of a Nation, Concise Edition, Combined Volume (Second printing), 4th edition. Pearson Education, 2011..
Gillon, Steven M. and , Cathy D. Matson. The American Experiment: A History of the United States, 3rd edition. Cengage, 2008.
Goldfield, David, Carl Abbott, Virginia DeJohn Anderson. The American Journey, 7th edition. Pearson Education, 2013
Henretta, James A., Rebecca Edwards, Robert O. Self. America's History, Combined Edition. 8th edition. Bedford/St. Martin's, 2014.
Hoffman, Elizabeth C., Edward J. Blum, and Jon Gjerde, eds. Major Problems in American History, Volume I: To 1877, Documents and Essays, 3rd edition. Cengage, 2011.
Hoffman, Elizabeth C., Edward J. Blum, and Jon Gjerde, eds. Major Problems in American History, Volume II: Since 1865, Documents and Essays, 3rd edition. Cengage, 2011.
Kennedy, David M.and Lizabeth Cohen. The American Pageant, 15th edition. Cengage, 2012.
Murrin, John M., Paul E. Johnson, James M. McPherson, Alice Fahs, Gary Gerstle, Emily S. Rosenberg, Norman L. Rosenberg. Liberty, Equality, Power: A History of the American People, Concise, 6th Edition, Cengage, 2013.
Nash, Gary, Julie Jeffrey, John Howe, Peter Frederick, Allen Davis, Allan Winkler, Mires & Pestana. The American People: Creating a Nation and a Society, Concise Edition, Combined Volume, 7th edition. Pearson, 2010.
Norton, Mary B., Carol Sheriff, David W. Blight, Howard P. Chudacoff, Fredrik Logevall, Beth Bailey. A People and a Nation: A History of the United States, 10th edition. Cengage, 2014.
Roark, James L., Michael P. Johnson, Patricia Cline Cohen, Sarah Stage, Susan M. Hartmann. The American Promise, 5th edition, Combined Version (Volumes I & II). Bedford/St. Martin's, 2012.
Tindall, George B., David E. Shi. America: A Narrative History, 8th edition. W.W. Norton & Company, 2009.

See how many of them you can prove do not mention Thomas Jefferson or Benjamin Franklin.

But don't embark on that project until you've found us that Marxist history curriculum.

Oh no. The onus lies with you to prove exactly what textbook is swimming in communism. But excellent copy and paste. At least in that venue you are not entirely lazy.

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[orogenicman]

Children are not owned. end of story.

Of course they are..

Many of the far left children on this board get owned all the time..

Not only is that not funny, it isn't even true.

 

[kaz]

Oh no. The onus lies with you to prove exactly what textbook is swimming in communism. But excellent copy and paste. At least in that venue you are not entirely lazy.

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Christian schools preach Christianity, Jewish schools preach Judaism, Government schools preach government.

 

[Tuatara]

What's curious is that these "disgusted" America-hating libs are free to leave at any time but don't.

If you break someting you have 2 choices. Fix it or throw it out.

 

[Statistikhengst]

Children are not owned. end of story.

Of course they are..

Many of the far left children on this board get owned all the time..

Only in your weird RWNJ-dreams.

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[Statistikhengst]

If you think this is brainwashing go right ahead.
Maybe these students are their own thinkers looking at all the facts.
They make their own judgements.
It's a sad statement you don't understand they have the right to their own thoughts and opinions.
Damn!!! I love the ideology of this country.

If you love this nation, and want your children to feel about it the way you do....you will find, sadly, that they will be corrupted by a Marxist history curriculum.
They will be taught that the rest of the world sees themselves as victims of America...and your children will be taught to see America through that lens: an evil, predatory nation.

Such is the result of the take-over by the 60s radicals....


How did it begin?

"The radicals of the sixties did not remain within the universities…They realized that the apocalypse never materialized. “…they were dropping off into environmentalism and consumerism and fatalism…I watched many of my old comrades apply to graduate school in universities they had failed to burn down, so they could get advanced degrees and spread the ideas that had been discredited in the streets under an academic cover.”
Collier and Horowitz, “Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About The Sixties,” p. 294-295.


What did they want?

"The radicals were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.”
Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51





Having taken over the schools, at every level, and the media, the dissemination of information in the society, they had everything they needed to destroy what the Founders had given us.




And now, one more sign of how they despise the greatness of America, and mean to have that view indelibly impressed on the youth, is the change in the AP History exam, by the College Board.



1. " The College Board, ...has kicked off a national controversy by issuing a new and unprecedentedly detailed “Framework” for its AP U.S. History exam. This Framework will effectively force American high schools to teach U.S. history from a leftist perspective....the new AP U.S. History framework [is] closely tied to a movement of left-leaning historians that aims to “internationalize” the teaching of American history.... to “end American history as we have known it” by substituting a more “transnational” narrative for the traditional account.

2. ....also seeks to produce a generation of Americans more amendable to working through the United Nations and various left-leaning “non-governmental organizations” (NGOs) on issues like the environment and nuclear proliferation. A willingness to use foreign law to interpret the U.S. Constitution is likewise encouraged.




3. ... let’s have a closer look at its goals. NYU historian Thomas Bender is the leading spokesman ....Bender’s views can be found in his 2006 book, A Nation Among Nations: America’s Place in World History. ...

a. ... a thoroughgoing critic of American exceptionalism, the notion that America is freer and more democratic than any other nation, and for that reason, a model, vindicator, and at times the chief defender of ordered liberty and self-government in the world.

b. ... Bender wants to subordinate American identity to a cosmopolitan, “transnational” sensibility. ...Whereas the old U.S. history forged a shared national identity by emphasizing America’s distinctiveness, Bender hopes to encourage cosmopolitanism by “internationalizing” the American story.... Bender laments that history as taught in our schools has bred an “acceptance of the nation as the dominant form of human solidarity.”"
How the College Board Politicized U.S. History National Review Online




The hate-America brigade is on the verge of winning a momentous victory....and dealing the United States a coup de grâce.
.

The brainwashing continues at Harvard....Notice one of these students says "what we've been learning recently"

These kids aren't taught proper American history. they are taught leftist propaganda. History should be taught without an ideology, but that's all liberals have. It's their faith, their religion. Nothing else matters but that. Which is the problem

You live in a fantasy world. Really, you do.

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The truth hurts ...German boy

"German boy"?? Lord, you are just plain old weird?.

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[Statistikhengst]

Oh no. The onus lies with you to prove exactly what textbook is swimming in communism. But excellent copy and paste. At least in that venue you are not entirely lazy.

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Christian schools preach Christianity, Jewish schools preach Judaism, Government schools preach government.

There are no gubbermint schools. There are public schools. More RWNJ stupidity.

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[PoliticalChic]

If you think this is brainwashing go right ahead.
Maybe these students are their own thinkers looking at all the facts.
They make their own judgements.
It's a sad statement you don't understand they have the right to their own thoughts and opinions.
Damn!!! I love the ideology of this country.

The brainwashing continues at Harvard....Notice one of these students says "what we've been learning recently"

These kids aren't taught proper American history. they are taught leftist propaganda. History should be taught without an ideology, but that's all liberals have. It's their faith, their religion. Nothing else matters but that. Which is the problem

You live in a fantasy world. Really, you do.

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The truth hurts ...German boy

"German boy"?? Lord, you are just plain old weird?.

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I'm sure he meant 'Esel."

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh no. The onus lies with you to prove exactly what textbook is swimming in communism. But excellent copy and paste. At least in that venue you are not entirely lazy.

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Christian schools preach Christianity, Jewish schools preach Judaism, Government schools preach government.

There are no gubbermint schools. There are public schools. More RWNJ stupidity.

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Who pays the salaries in those schools?

Are you a liar, or simply a dope?

Be honest.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Who owns the children?

More importantly...

Who owns the Chiefs?



lol

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The hate-America brigade is on the verge of winning a momentous victory....and dealing the United States a coup de grâce.
.

Did Barron's tell you this, by any chance?

She must be referring to republicans as the "hate America crowd"

dear it is liberals who spied for Stalin and elected Barry who doesn't like the Constitution because it doesn't have the positive right to get welfare for life.

 

[ClosedCaption]

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

So let me understand this correctly. PC posted an OP that I showed was wrong on two different points and you're saying that that doesnt matter because the OP is still correct AFTER I showed she and the authors she chose BOTH blamed liberals for actions from Republicans.

So even tho she was proven wrong, AND didnt cite ONE EXAMPLE of Liberals doing ANYTHING (simply saying liberals are doing it seems to be enough "proof") you're saying that she is correct with no proof and a OP thats proven wrong.

The ball isnt in my court...She's been proven wrong and has yet to cite any examples of any liberals doing anything. Ok buddy

 

[Moonglow]

From now on all threads from Polivinylchic will be in the Rubber Room,,

Post Haste...

 

[kaz]

Oh no. The onus lies with you to prove exactly what textbook is swimming in communism. But excellent copy and paste. At least in that venue you are not entirely lazy.

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Christian schools preach Christianity, Jewish schools preach Judaism, Government schools preach government.

There are no gubbermint schools. There are public schools. More RWNJ stupidity.

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There are no government schools? What the hell is wrong with you? Government operates schools, but those aren't government schools? So it's not a government military? They aren't government police? We actually don't have any government at all, do we? Man. Every time I think liberals can't get any more stupid, you not only show you can, but you blow right through it.

 

[kaz]

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

So let me understand this correctly. PC posted an OP that I showed was wrong on two different points and you're saying that that doesnt matter because the OP is still correct AFTER I showed she and the authors she chose BOTH blamed liberals for actions from Republicans.

So even tho she was proven wrong, AND didnt cite ONE EXAMPLE of Liberals doing ANYTHING (simply saying liberals are doing it seems to be enough "proof") you're saying that she is correct with no proof and a OP thats proven wrong.

The ball isnt in my court...She's been proven wrong and has yet to cite any examples of any liberals doing anything. Ok buddy

You don't understand anything correctly.

 

[PoliticalChic]

From now on all threads from Polivinylchic will be in the Rubber Room,,

Post Haste...

I thrive on the fear that I engender in folks like you.

Run, run....as fast as your chubby little feet can carry you!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

So let me understand this correctly. PC posted an OP that I showed was wrong on two different points and you're saying that that doesnt matter because the OP is still correct AFTER I showed she and the authors she chose BOTH blamed liberals for actions from Republicans.

So even tho she was proven wrong, AND didnt cite ONE EXAMPLE of Liberals doing ANYTHING (simply saying liberals are doing it seems to be enough "proof") you're saying that she is correct with no proof and a OP thats proven wrong.

The ball isnt in my court...She's been proven wrong and has yet to cite any examples of any liberals doing anything. Ok buddy

"...an OP that I showed was wrong on two different points and you're saying that that doesnt matter because the OP is still correct AFTER I showed she and the authors she chose BOTH blamed liberals for actions from Republicans."

Of course you did no such thing.



So...your whole thesis is predicated on the view that the education establishment isn't a wholly owned subsidiary of Liberalism, Inc????

A simple 'yes' will do.


I’m looking for evidence to determine exactly when your cerebrum entered the dead zone, and based on my extensive experience watching CSI, I know that I should check for signs of insect activity: let’s call in the entomologist to pin down the exact minute of pupation!

 

[PoliticalChic]

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

No sorry, she said that the "hate America crowd" was making these changes but really its Republicans who did so. I linked to two different examples from her OP to show that. So I wonder if she is calling the Republicans the "hate America crowd" or if she blames liberals for somehow making Republicans strike Jefferson and Franklin from school books.

Here's what's wrong with your argument. Most of what she said was liberals. Certainly the national effort is driven liberals. That you gave a couple examples of Conservatives doing it is a valid point. That you say that proves it's conservatives doing it not liberals is preposterous. And so hypocritical. When Obama does what W did, you still blame W. When Republicans do in certain cases what liberals are doing as Chic pointed out nationally still leaves you blaming Republicans.

A child can see through your logic. Then again, a child wrote your logic.

So let me understand this correctly. PC posted an OP that I showed was wrong on two different points and you're saying that that doesnt matter because the OP is still correct AFTER I showed she and the authors she chose BOTH blamed liberals for actions from Republicans.

So even tho she was proven wrong, AND didnt cite ONE EXAMPLE of Liberals doing ANYTHING (simply saying liberals are doing it seems to be enough "proof") you're saying that she is correct with no proof and a OP thats proven wrong.

The ball isnt in my court...She's been proven wrong and has yet to cite any examples of any liberals doing anything. Ok buddy

You don't understand anything correctly.

The poster to whom you've responded has caused me to change my view.

While I originally aimed for Liberals to be exiled to St. Helena....which I understand is no longer occupied in its original capacity.....

...now, I believe folks like it should be kept on display in zoos, museums and side shows.
As sort of a cautionary tale.

A kind of modern day 'Bedlam.'



"Bedlam is, in fact, a London mental hospital. Its real name was Bethlem Royal Hospital (Bedlam was its Cockney name) and was at one point, especially in the 18th and 19th century, probably the world's most notorious "loony bin."
In the 18th century people used to go to Bedlam to stare at the lunatics. For a penny one could peer into their cells, view the freaks of the "show of Bethlehem" and laugh at their antics, generally of a sexual nature or violent fights! Entry was free on the first Tuesday of the month."
Bedlam London and its mad