Who Is Occupying Who's Land?

[P F Tinmore]

"Jew ethnic cleansing of Muslims & Christians." Now THAT"S funny! Where would we go for laughs if Monte ever leaves us?

He operates on the turnspeak principle of whatever he supports, just turn it around and accuse the other fellow of doing it.

Since there were once a million Jews in Arab lands and now just scant thousands -- a true ethnic clensing -- in order to mask the reality of the situation as a viciously antisemitic Arab, he has to try to create the impression that it is really the other way around.

It may be pathetic, disingenuous and hateful, but many unintelligent people fall for it.

The ethnic cleansing of Christians & Jews in Arab lands is hard to forgive. But what about the Israeli genocide of the Palestinians? In 1948 there were approximately 1.2 million Palestinians living in Israel. And now there are only just over 6 million of them left.

Population Statistics - Israeli-Palestinian Conflict - ProCon.org

In 1948 at the time you speak of there was no Israel, and the Palestinians included the Jews. They left because they were told to leave so they could get last pick of the Jews property when the war was over

Link?

 

[docmauser1]

In 1948 at the time you speak of there was no Israel, and the Palestinians included the Jews. They left because they were told to leave so they could get last pick of the Jews property when the war was over

Link?

I doubt there's any link existing on that to a palibull site, of course.

 

[MJB12741]

As things turned out the Arab countries put it to the Palestinians but good when they were told to leave until after the Arab countries annihilated Israel off the face of the earth. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame Israel for all the Palestinian refugees. Heh Heh!

 

[montelatici]

As things turned out the Arab countries put it to the Palestinians but good when they were told to leave until after the Arab countries annihilated Israel off the face of the earth. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame Israel for all the Palestinian refugees. Heh Heh!

These clowns repeat propaganda not knowing that there is source material, much of it from the Israelis themselves that refutes the nonsense they believe. How stupid can these clowns be. Do they want to look like fools?

"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."

The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

 

[docmauser1]

As things turned out the Arab countries put it to the Palestinians but good when they were told to leave until after the Arab countries annihilated Israel off the face of the earth. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame Israel for all the Palestinian refugees. Heh Heh!

These clowns repeat propaganda not knowing that there is source material, much of it from the Israelis themselves that refutes the nonsense they believe. How stupid can these clowns be. Do they want to look like fools?
"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Does that Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

None of this makes any difference. What "you" or "they" believed happened a half century ago makes no difference. The solutions of today's problems are found in the reality of today. None of you can roll back the clock and reset the conditions that give us the realities of today. There is no "time machine." And there is no way for history to to be undone.

There is only settlement of international disputes by peaceful means --- in such a manner that --- international peace, security and justice are not endangered.

The Jewish State of Israel will not be undone; nor will it be allowed to be compromised. It is much too late for that. If the Arab Palestinians want to continue their bid for a failed state --- so be it. But they have no right to infringe upon that which is Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

et al,

None of this makes any difference. What "you" or "they" believed happened a half century ago makes no difference. The solutions of today's problems are found in the reality of today. None of you can roll back the clock and reset the conditions that give us the realities of today. There is no "time machine." And there is no way for history to to be undone.

There is only settlement of international disputes by peaceful means --- in such a manner that --- international peace, security and justice are not endangered.

The Jewish State of Israel will not be undone; nor will it be allowed to be compromised. It is much too late for that. If the Arab Palestinians want to continue their bid for a failed state --- so be it. But they have no right to infringe upon that which is Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, I'm sure the Boers thought the same. They have every right to seek the return of their homes and land.

 

[montelatici]

As things turned out the Arab countries put it to the Palestinians but good when they were told to leave until after the Arab countries annihilated Israel off the face of the earth. Hey I have an idea. Lets blame Israel for all the Palestinian refugees. Heh Heh!

These clowns repeat propaganda not knowing that there is source material, much of it from the Israelis themselves that refutes the nonsense they believe. How stupid can these clowns be. Do they want to look like fools?
"a report prepared by the intelligence services of the Israeli army, dated 30 June 1948 and entitled “The emigration of Palestinian Arabs in the period 1/12/1947-1/6/1948”. This document sets at 391,000 the number of Palestinians who had already left the territory that was by then in the hands of Israel, and evaluates the various factors that had prompted their decisions to leave. “At least 55% of the total of the exodus was caused by our (Haganah/IDF) operations.” To this figure, the report’s compilers add the operations of the Irgun and Lehi, which “directly (caused) some 15%... of the emigration”. A further 2% was attributed to explicit expulsion orders issued by Israeli troops, and 1% to their psychological warfare. This leads to a figure of 73% for departures caused directly by the Israelis. In addition, the report attributes 22% of the departures to “fears” and “a crisis of confidence” affecting the Palestinian population. As for Arab calls for flight, these were reckoned to be significant in only 5% of cases..."The expulsion of the Palestinians re-examined - Le Monde diplomatique - English edition

Does that Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

No need to explain, your's is a false premise. The squatters and late arrivals were the Jews. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, had lived in Palestine for many generations and owned most of the land. Which is not surprising.

Let's go to source material from official archives:

"There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ.* (*See Sir George Adam Smith "Historical Geography of the Holy Land", Chap. 20.) Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are members of the Latin or of the Uniate Greek Catholic Church, or--a small number--are Protestants.

The Jewish element of the population numbers 76,000. Almost all have entered Palestine during the last 40 years. Prior to 1850 there were in the country only a handful of Jews. "

. - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Interim report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations Balfour Declaration text 30 July 1921

Now for land ownership. As recorded from the land registries by the British:

 

[docmauser1]

Does that Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

No need to explain, your's is a false premise. The squatters and late arrivals were the Jews. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, had lived in Palestine for many generations and owned most of the land. Which is not surprising.

So, does the Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

 

[montelatici]

Does that Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

No need to explain, your's is a false premise. The squatters and late arrivals were the Jews. The Palestinians, Christians and Muslims, had lived in Palestine for many generations and owned most of the land. Which is not surprising.

So, does the Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

Why do you repeat bullshit? The facts are in the archives, and they contradict your bullshit.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that the conflict of a hundred and fifty years ago, the Orange Free State and the Transvaal as independent republics are similar enough to compare.

Oh, I'm sure the Boers thought the same. They have every right to seek the return of their homes and land.

(COMMENT)

Most the Afrikaner nation (Boers) today, the Front Nasionaal (FN) party have legal processes in place relative to the land claim with the Land Claims Commissioner in Pretoria. Much different than the situation in Palestine (Israel-Palestinian Conflict).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

montelatici, et al,

I'm not sure that the conflict of a hundred and fifty years ago, the Orange Free State and the Transvaal as independent republics are similar enough to compare.

Oh, I'm sure the Boers thought the same. They have every right to seek the return of their homes and land.

(COMMENT)

Most the Afrikaner nation (Boers) today, the Front Nasionaal (FN) party have legal processes in place relative to the land claim with the Land Claims Commissioner in Pretoria. Much different than the situation in Palestine (Israel-Palestinian Conflict).

Most Respectfully,
R

No difference at all Rocco. If the Jews agree to a peaceful transition it will be the same result. If they don't it will be a Rhodesian result. Take your pick terrone.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici,

Don't try to incite my anger with the childish name calling. I'm Sicilian, and don't rattle easy.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[docmauser1]

So, does the Le Monde Radotagique have an explanation how all those major arab settlers and squatters from the hood all got to be saudi sheiks to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine?

Why do you repeat bullshit? The facts are in the archives, and they contradict your bullshit.

If the facts are in the archives then it'll be easy to show us how did that happen that, major arab squatting-settling lumpens from the hood got to be "saudi sheiks" to own(!) 90%(!) of the mandate palestine, won't it? Bank statements, declarations of income are acceptable.
The fact that, all of the land that was not purchased and registered to jews or the Jewish agency, including government lands, was categorized as non-jewish, is not acceptable!
Bonne chance la prochaine fois!
Bon appétit!
Bon voyage!
Adieu!

 

[theliq]

P F Tinmore, et al,

I've never actually sat in any of the determination meetings. So, up front, I cannot tell you how they actually establish the list.

Rocco, you have never specified what criteria these clowns use to justify their terrorist name calling thing.

(COMMENT)

I do know that recommendations for inclusion on the list, must --- as a minimum, demonstrate how a candidate meets the following criteria established by law.

Definitions of Terrorism in the U.S. Code

18 U.S.C. § 2331 defines "international terrorism" and "domestic terrorism" for purposes of Chapter 113B of the Code, entitled "Terrorism”:

"International terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:​

• • Involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
  • Appear to be intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
  • Occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S., or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.*

"Domestic terrorism" means activities with the following three characteristics:​

• • Involve acts dangerous to human life that violate federal or state law;
  • Appear intended (i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population; (ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or (iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination. or kidnapping; and
  • Occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the U.S.

18 U.S.C. § 2332b defines the term "federal crime of terrorism" as an offense that:​

• • Is calculated to influence or affect the conduct of government by intimidation or coercion, or to retaliate against government conduct; and
  • Is a violation of one of several listed statutes, including § 930(c) (relating to killing or attempted killing during an attack on a federal facility with a dangerous weapon); and § 1114 (relating to killing or attempted killing of officers and employees of the U.S.).

Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (1978)(FISA) defines "international terrorism" in a nearly identical way, replacing "primarily" outside the US with "totally" outside the US --- 50 U.S.C. § 1801(c).

(c)“International terrorism” means activities that—

(1) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or any State;
(2) appear to be intended—

(A) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(B) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(C) to affect the conduct of a government by assassination or kidnapping; and​

(3) occur totally outside the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to coerce or intimidate, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum.​

However, I am led to believe that there are other political and diplomatic considerations that also enter into the equation. And, there are at times, CONFIDENTIAL determinations that find that it may not be in the best interest of the US to make a public or open determination that might hamper the detection, exploitation and neutralization of such a target. I just know that --- as a minimum, the above criteria must be addressed before a recommendation would be favorably put forward for even consideration.

Most Respectfully,
R

Thanks for elucidating the true definition of Terrorist Zionism

 

[theliq]

The Europeans of the Jewish faith that went to Israel starting in the late 1800s have nothing to do with the ancient Jews that stole the land from the Samartins, Canaens etc.

Did you purposely miss the point? Or the history of the area? Judaism in Jerusalem pre-dated Christianity in Bethlehem by about a 1000 years, both of which pre-dated Islam in the region by a long shot.

Palestine didn't exist until relatively recent population growth forced (mostly Jordanians) to migrate. But that is long after the fact. Meanwhile the real children and inhabitants of the region have been obscured by anti-Semite academia. Prove me wrong!

And who are the Samartins? You mean the Samaritans?

I hope you have an open mind about such things, as much can be poured in.

and pre-dating the Jews were the Canaanites and Moabites..........so your point is ???????? steve NO ANTI-SEMITE ME........by the way only Shepardic Jews and Palestinians are the only SEMITE PEOPLES..............Sumerians I think you mean't in your Samaritan waffle.

 

[docmauser1]

Thanks for elucidating the true definition of Terrorist Zionism

Moronic drivel.

 

[Youch]

The Europeans of the Jewish faith that went to Israel starting in the late 1800s have nothing to do with the ancient Jews that stole the land from the Samartins, Canaens etc.

Did you purposely miss the point? Or the history of the area? Judaism in Jerusalem pre-dated Christianity in Bethlehem by about a 1000 years, both of which pre-dated Islam in the region by a long shot.

Palestine didn't exist until relatively recent population growth forced (mostly Jordanians) to migrate. But that is long after the fact. Meanwhile the real children and inhabitants of the region have been obscured by anti-Semite academia. Prove me wrong!

And who are the Samartins? You mean the Samaritans?

I hope you have an open mind about such things, as much can be poured in.

and pre-dating the Jews were the Canaanites and Moabites..........so your point is ???????? steve NO ANTI-SEMITE ME........by the way only Shepardic Jews and Palestinians are the only SEMITE PEOPLES..............Sumerians I think you mean't in your Samaritan waffle.

By that logic, that portion of the world belongs to homo erectus.

In 70AD the Romans banished the Israelites to the four corners of the world. The word Palestine was a Roman invention of 135AD. You could blame the Romans for all of the divisiveness, or later the Brits and French. But only bigotry, hatred and ignorance blames the Israelis and their tiny little corner of the world, the birthplace of their religion and people. Lib's have bought, wholesale, the wrong side of history on this one.

The Brits and French were the ones who divided all that land, mostly rewarding those who fought with them against the Ottoman Empire. "Palestine" wasn't Palestine, it was a British-born "Mandate-Palestine."

Logic seems to befuddle many people here. Jerusalem is the cradle of Judaism, Bethlehem the cradle of Christianity. Yet it is intolerant Muslims who kill both, neither of whom are imperialistic, and neither of whom are sworn to a jihad or caliphate. What, the ENTIRE MIDDLE EAST belongs to one religion???? And all you libs defend that radical intolerance? Christians (and Kurds and anyone else who gets in their way) are being massacred all over Iraq ad Iran and Syria and now elsewhere, and the sliver-state of Israel is constantly bombarded with bombs and terror, and libs side with the terrorists every time. It baffles logic and morality.

Christianity and Judaism have both gone through a reformation. Islam has not. And the libs have chosen the one that has not....the one that is a threat, an open and acknowledged threat, to the western notion of liberty and freedom.

You all are dangerously ignorant.

 

[MJB12741]

et al,

None of this makes any difference. What "you" or "they" believed happened a half century ago makes no difference. The solutions of today's problems are found in the reality of today. None of you can roll back the clock and reset the conditions that give us the realities of today. There is no "time machine." And there is no way for history to to be undone.

There is only settlement of international disputes by peaceful means --- in such a manner that --- international peace, security and justice are not endangered.

The Jewish State of Israel will not be undone; nor will it be allowed to be compromised. It is much too late for that. If the Arab Palestinians want to continue their bid for a failed state --- so be it. But they have no right to infringe upon that which is Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, I'm sure the Boers thought the same. They have every right to seek the return of their homes and land.

Problem is the Arab countries won't allow the Palestinians the right to return to their homes & land.

 

[montelatici]

et al,

None of this makes any difference. What "you" or "they" believed happened a half century ago makes no difference. The solutions of today's problems are found in the reality of today. None of you can roll back the clock and reset the conditions that give us the realities of today. There is no "time machine." And there is no way for history to to be undone.

There is only settlement of international disputes by peaceful means --- in such a manner that --- international peace, security and justice are not endangered.

The Jewish State of Israel will not be undone; nor will it be allowed to be compromised. It is much too late for that. If the Arab Palestinians want to continue their bid for a failed state --- so be it. But they have no right to infringe upon that which is Israel.

Most Respectfully,
R

Oh, I'm sure the Boers thought the same. They have every right to seek the return of their homes and land.

Problem is the Arab countries won't allow the Palestinians the right to return to their homes & land.

The Arab States have always supported the right of the Palestinians to return to their land and homes in Palestine.