Who Are The Palestinians?

[Phoenall]

On investigation of the source I find this

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User:Siddiqui


Another Fail by you to demonise the Jews, must try harder and must get real facts and not ISLAMONAZI PROPAGANDA

As usual, you are lying. No user was blocked. Why do you always lie.

Do you want the Wikipedia page then Abdul in full so you can grovel on your belly for making false accusations



Here you go Abdul, time to eat crow methinks and apologise for your behaviour

User Siddiqui - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Doubt it, since Siddiqui never wrote the article in question and he was blocked from editing, primarily for infringing copyrights on multiple occasions as opposed to any accuracy issues. That, and given the article itself is not under any sanction for bias, your post is irrelevant as is your sad attempt to discredit the article.

He edited the article and others to meet with his ISLAMONAZI views, that was why he was banned from wiki. Read the reasons for his ban, mainly because he had multiple accounts and abuse. So making the source suspect and not usable as indicative of the truth. It is tainted by ISLAMONAZI TAMPERING and PROPAGANDA, which is much more common on Wikipedia than anything coming from the Jews

The flaw with your argument is that in your mind Muslims are "stupid" and "savage" "living in the middle ages" yet, bizarrely, they're suddenly capable of tampering with Wikepedia, when it shows information you disagree with, what a jerk.

Does not take a great deal of intelligence to create a wiki account and then to edit another persons work, many children are doing it these days. But the majority of muslims are semi literate, savage and live in medieval times because that is what they have been told to do by their clerics and imam's. When allegedly intelligent people like doctors come along and show a total disregard for human life and set out to kill thousands of children in the UK then it should tell you how stupid and savage they are.

 

[aris2chat]

Balanced, truth, defense against bias anti-israeli attacks. Not allowing a one sided narrative of information to be stacked against Israel.
Information still has to be supported and factual. To think that Wiki can be "changed" is incorrect. It can be edited like any encyclopedia to be more correct. Any editing is check before becoming part of the text.
Those people are making sure there is no rabid anti-semitism propaganda being posted as fact through Wiki.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Your memory my very well be quite accurate.

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

(COMMENT)

The name "Palestine" was the official short title for the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied according to "The Palestine Order in Council, (1922);" that remained in force until midnight 14/15 May '48 - the termination of the Mandate Palestine (territory administered under mandate by His Majesty Government - UK). However, there was an appointment of a successor government. And in that appointment, the name of the legal entity remained Palestine. The successor government never changed the name; nor did it change the status of the "legal entity."

UK MEMORANDUM NAMES COMMISSION AS SUCCESSOR GOVERNMENT - PAL/138 27 February 1948
"Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. Palestine is a territory administered under mandate by His Majesty (in respect of the United Kingdom), who is entirely responsible both for its internal administration and for its foreign affairs.

"After the 15th May, 1948, Palestine will continue to be a legal entity but it will still not be a sovereign state because it will not be immediately self-governing. The authority responsible for its administration will, however, have changed.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

 

[MJB12741]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just a territory.

 

[theliq]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just tory.[/]
There always was a nation,people and state of Palestine and the sight of seeing thousands of Australians....watching and supporting Palestine last night in their Asian Cup match against Iraq.....was Great to Behold.

The Jews stole Palestine as they slyly used anti-semetism by the "White" Western European Christians....who reviled them...the Zionists used Barbarity and Murder on an uncurspecting nation......who of all people had helped and got on with jews.

Israel NEVER EXISTED IN ANY FORM UNTIL 1948 you mean't to say.......in that you would have been correct.

NOW REMIND ME AGAIN,WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE AREA<THE JEWS WANTED TO CARVE UP AND KEEP FOR THEMSELVES ????????????????????


PALESTINE........thanks for that.................Dumb Ass

.......You Jews....!!!!!!!Reality and Telling the Truth....were never you strong points......Liars and twister's of the facts and truth,you do well

 

[MJB12741]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

So, will you be so kind as toeducate the Jews as to when there was a nation or


As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just tory.[/]
There always was a nation,people and state of Palestine and the sight of seeing thousands of Australians....watching and supporting Palestine last night in their Asian Cup match against Iraq.....was Great to Behold.

The Jews stole Palestine as they slyly used anti-semetism by the "White" Western European Christians....who reviled them...the Zionists used Barbarity and Murder on an uncurspecting nation......who of all people had helped and got on with jews.

Israel NEVER EXISTED IN ANY FORM UNTIL 1948 you mean't to say.......in that you would have been correct.

NOW REMIND ME AGAIN,WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE AREA<THE JEWS WANTED TO CARVE UP AND KEEP FOR THEMSELVES ????????????????????


PALESTINE........thanks for that.................Dumb Ass

.......You Jews....!!!!!!!Reality and Telling the Truth....were never you strong points......Liars and twister's of the facts and truth,you do well

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just tory.[/]
There always was a nation,people and state of Palestine and the sight of seeing thousands of Australians....watching and supporting Palestine last night in their Asian Cup match against Iraq.....was Great to Behold.

The Jews stole Palestine as they slyly used anti-semetism by the "White" Western European Christians....who reviled them...the Zionists used Barbarity and Murder on an uncurspecting nation......who of all people had helped and got on with jews.

Israel NEVER EXISTED IN ANY FORM UNTIL 1948 you mean't to say.......in that you would have been correct.

NOW REMIND ME AGAIN,WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE AREA<THE JEWS WANTED TO CARVE UP AND KEEP FOR THEMSELVES ????????????????????


PALESTINE........thanks for that.................Dumb Ass

.......You Jews....!!!!!!!Reality and Telling the Truth....were never you strong points......Liars and twister's of the facts and truth,you do well

So then, will you be so kind as to educate those lying Jews as to when there was a nation or state of Palestine.? Atta boy!

 

[P F Tinmore]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just a territory.

You keep telling that lie.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

-​

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is erroneous.

You keep telling that lie.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

-​

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

(OBSERVATION)

Mandate for Palestine --- Article 7 (In its entirety!)

The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine.​

(COMMENT)

Article 7 says no such thing as you suggest, and the minutes of the 32d Session show not action on the issue. The minutes of the meeting that record one members thoughts or opinion of one member --- are not confirmation that the concept had any impact on the committee as a whole or the official position or policy. In fact, the adoption of the Resolution 181(II) clearly shows that the preponderance of the General Assembly did not have the intention of either an all Arab Palestine or an all Jewish Palestine.

Article 7 nationality law requirements were as a consequence of Palestine Order in Council (that coming before treaty of 1924, which adopted the language of the Palestine Order in Council):

Palestinian citizenship, the following persons shall be deemed to be Palestinian citizens:--

(a)Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the date of commencement of this Order.

(b)All persons of other than Turkish nationality habitually resident in the territory of Palestine at the said date, who shall within two calendar months of the said date make application for Palestinian citizenship in such form and before such officer as may be prescribed by the High Commissioner.
​

It has been the long standing position by some elements of the Arab Community that the entirely territory formerly under the Mandate was to be Arab Palestine. This is repeated over and over again by various hostile Arab Palestinian elements bend on undermining the decisions made nearly seven decades ago in the recognition of Jewish self-determination. It is a territorial dispute that the Arab Community has attempted to overturn by force several times. It is the underpinning that has evolved into the conflict faced today. No one (Israel or Palestinian) expects that the Palestinian will adopt any other position in the near future. The Palestinians have yet to establish a working government, but HAMAS has made their position very clear:

"Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." Khaled Meshal Chief, Political Bureau, HAMAS, 2013​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

"Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." Khaled Meshal Chief, Political Bureau, HAMAS, 2013

Indeed, that is Palestine inside its international borders.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Why would there be confusion on this? It is perfectly clear.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is no confusion; except on the part of the Arab Palestinian.

"Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." Khaled Meshal Chief, Political Bureau, HAMAS, 2013

Indeed, that is Palestine inside its international borders.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Why would there be confusion on this? It is perfectly clear.

(COMMENT)


The Resolution in question (A RES 33 24) says that the Palestinian has a non-transferrable right. It does not give say the Palestinian exercised that right concerning a specific "self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty." It merely says they have the opportunity to exercise the right.

Relative to the 1978 Resolution, the Palestinians did not exercise the right until November 1988 (a decade later).

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

There is no confusion; except on the part of the Arab Palestinian.

"Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." Khaled Meshal Chief, Political Bureau, HAMAS, 2013

Indeed, that is Palestine inside its international borders.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Why would there be confusion on this? It is perfectly clear.

(COMMENT)


The Resolution in question (A RES 33 24) says that the Palestinian has a non-transferrable right. It does not give say the Palestinian exercised that right concerning a specific "self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty." It merely says they have the opportunity to exercise the right.

Relative to the 1978 Resolution, the Palestinians did not exercise the right until November 1988 (a decade later).

Most Respectfully,
R

And the 1988 declaration went the way of the 1948 declaration. What makes one more valid than the other?

Palestinians still call Israel "48" in spite of what some non elected officials declare.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, I don't agree.

And the 1988 declaration went the way of the 1948 declaration. What makes one more valid than the other?

Palestinians still call Israel "48" in spite of what some non elected officials declare.

(COMMENT)

The 1948 All Palestine Government was a puppet government under the umbrella of the Egyptian Government and declared independence over territory already acknowledged as independent under the Jewish right of self-determination. This was a conflict.

The 1988 Declaration of Independence, by the sole representative of the Palestinian People, was acknowledge as having exercised the Arab Palestinian right of self-determination to sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967.

Simple.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Well, I don't agree.

And the 1988 declaration went the way of the 1948 declaration. What makes one more valid than the other?

Palestinians still call Israel "48" in spite of what some non elected officials declare.

(COMMENT)

The 1948 All Palestine Government was a puppet government under the umbrella of the Egyptian Government and declared independence over territory already acknowledged as independent under the Jewish right of self-determination. This was a conflict.

The 1988 Declaration of Independence, by the sole representative of the Palestinian People, was acknowledge as having exercised the Arab Palestinian right of self-determination to sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967.

Simple.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestinians have complained for many years that the PLO is out of step with the people.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This may be true. I will not ague the point.

Palestinians have complained for many years that the PLO is out of step with the people.

(COMMENT)

It is not in the province of the Western World to be concerned as to whether or not there the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) is in step with the Arab Palestinian people. Nor, is it truly a concern of Israel as to whether or not the PLO is in step with its people.

The fact of the matter is, the Arab World has been up front and forward in taking the Arab Palestinian under its umbrella since before the Mandate terminated. Even the Arab Higher Committee, which rejected the Partition Plan, was an instrument of the Arab League. And it was the Arab League that agreed to the selection of the PLO as the "the sole legitimate representative of the Palestinian people in any Palestinian territory that is liberated."

Remembering that all the advancements in the recognition of the Palestinian People have come as a product of PLO efforts and that no other Palestinian Organization has emerged as a legitimate leader. Thus far, in the last quarter century, the Arab Palestinian people have not had the ability to form a mature government that can peacefully change administrations in accordance with their basic laws; or even conduct the routine functions of a minimal government.

Whether the PLO is or is not the voice of the people has yet to be demonstrated. And that begs the question, is the State of Palestine a real and competent government --- or a mere figment of the imagination?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

It is not in the province of the Western World to be concerned as to whether or not there the Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO) is in step with the Arab Palestinian people.

In fact foreign powers have never allowed the Palestinians to select their own leadership through illegal external interference. Look what happened to the 2006 elections.

 

[Phoenall]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just tory.[/]
There always was a nation,people and state of Palestine and the sight of seeing thousands of Australians....watching and supporting Palestine last night in their Asian Cup match against Iraq.....was Great to Behold.

The Jews stole Palestine as they slyly used anti-semetism by the "White" Western European Christians....who reviled them...the Zionists used Barbarity and Murder on an uncurspecting nation......who of all people had helped and got on with jews.

Israel NEVER EXISTED IN ANY FORM UNTIL 1948 you mean't to say.......in that you would have been correct.

NOW REMIND ME AGAIN,WHAT WAS THE NAME OF THE AREA<THE JEWS WANTED TO CARVE UP AND KEEP FOR THEMSELVES ????????????????????


PALESTINE........thanks for that.................Dumb Ass

.......You Jews....!!!!!!!Reality and Telling the Truth....were never you strong points......Liars and twister's of the facts and truth,you do well

There was never a nation of Palestine before 1988

The only Palestinians were the Jews until 1960 when Arafat stole the term to give the arab muslims a legitimacy

They had no leaders, no monetary unit, no passports, no capital city, no GDP and no land so how were they a nation

They were like the bush on Oz that is just a place, or the Gobi desert.

 

[Phoenall]

I can remember after the 1948 war when it said that Israel occupied Palestine. It was changed to controlled territory.

As in occupied PARTS OF PALESTINE, get it right. And it still does not mean that a nation or state of Palestine existed before 1988.

There NEVER was any nation or state of Palestine. Just a territory.

You keep telling that lie.

The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

-​

Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937

Why don't you try reading it and seeing were it DOES NOT SAY this is because it is a nation or state. If it was then the Mandate would have been over and the British would have left. THAT IS IN THE MANDATE.

So who was the leader of Palestine, what was its currency, where was its capital city. Just 3 questions that you cant answer because Palestine was not a state.
Now once again the nationality law was just a paper exercise that bestowed protection on those Palestinians that travelled, it did not give them a state. The passports stated very clearly BRITISH PASSPORT and not Palestinian passport, but you are too stupid to realise that this means that Palestine as a state did not exist

 

[Phoenall]

"Palestine from the river to the sea, and from north to south, is a land of the Palestinian people and its homeland and its legitimate right, we may not a waiver an inch or any part thereof, no matter what the reasons and circumstances and pressures." Khaled Meshal Chief, Political Bureau, HAMAS, 2013

Indeed, that is Palestine inside its international borders.

2. Reaffirms the legitimacy of the struggle of peoples for independence, territorial integrity, national unity and liberation from colonial and foreign domination and foreign occupation by all available means, particularly armed struggle;

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;

A RES 33 24 of 29 November 1978​

Why would there be confusion on this? It is perfectly clear.

MANDATE FOR PALESTINE borders and not state of Palestine borders. They have yet to be agreed.

Tell it to the Palestinians who cant even decide just what is Palestine and what isn't

It is so clear that you cant understand it at all. Not when you look at the way the arab muslims are trying to force the world to grant them something they already have.