Who Are The Palestinians?

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

They are called Bantustans.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

 

[toastman]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

It is relevant. Whether not they passed laws is not relevant. You are just , as usual, finding something to whine about .

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, it may be a good "talking point." But it is not relevant to the Israeli-Palestine Conflict; or the Palestinians of the West Bank or Gaza Strip.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

(COMMENT)

This is purely an internal and domestic issue. The Knesset is the principle arm in the Israeli government --- in which the political power resides in the general population; in which the government is ruled through elected leaders --- and its representative members --- operate legislatively according to the basic law.

Surely, you have no objection to that form of government.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

Our friend "Challenger" is correct. The concept of a "National Home" is a greater idea then its subset of a "Sovereign State." It doesn't mean that the concept of a "National Home" does not include a possible subset of a "Sovereign State."

P F Tinmore, et al,

We will have to agree to - "disagree" - on what the Treaty of Lausanne has to say on the subject; fore it does not mention Palestine; but rather Syria. The Treaty of Sèvres, which predates the Treaty of Lausanne by four years, directly mention Palestine.

Syria was divided by previous agreements between the Allied Powers. The establishment of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applies, and the establishment of the accompanying Order in Council, also predates any effect of the Treaty of Lausanne relative to Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The question of citizenship to the Mandate Territory is an interesting one, but does not change the status of the territory in the least. Whether a person, indigenous or not, was granted Palestinian Citizenship as a matter for the Mandatory power, as the successor government to the Ottoman Empire, to administer make no difference. And if the Mandatory extended citizenship under the post-War Treatise and Mandate by the Powers, such citizenship did not have any impact on the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation. Palestine as an "entity" only existed to the degree and extent as the Allied Powers decided it should exist.

The Treaty of Lausanne did not mention Palestine or citizenship at all. Relative to Section II, Article 30, the Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory detached from Turkey became nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred; --- except that in the Middle East territories [today known as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestine (WB & G)] there were no self-governing states. That control was transferred to the Allied Powers under Mandate by the League of Nations. And the citizenship was established under the Mandate.

Whatever the Palestinian may think today, the status of the territory and the people have changed over time. By 1950 the Palestinians in the West Bank had (by right of self-determination) adopted Jordanian Citizenship through the Parliamentary process; --- while the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip became constituents represented politically by the All Palestine Government (APG) under the protection and control of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

Most Respectfully,
R

The bottom line is that this is Palestine.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

The mandate was to act in the best interest of the people. (The people being the above mentioned Palestinians.) The mandate was to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. (An independent Palestinian state.)

The LoN Covenant provided a means, a goal, and a time frame for the mandate as a temporary assignment.

The Jewish National Home was not to be a separate state. The mandate was to assist immigrant Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship where they would have equal rights to the other citizens.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with the mandate.

Once again you attempt to bestow sovereignty on to Palestine when none existed, the Mandate set in stone the simple fact that it dealt with the mandate for Palestine and not the nation. Under International law of the time the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE bequeathed the land to the Jews of the world for the RESURECTION OF THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. It did not give anything to the arab muslims as they had received their allotment with Jordan, Syria and Iraq.
You need to read the Mandate for Palestine to see where it is stated that the Jews will have a separate state.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

Just a few of the articles that set in stone and CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW the resurrection of Israel

"National home" does not necessarily mean "Sovereign State"

(OBSERVATION)

In the US, we have a type of territory known as an "Indian Reservation;" --- independent sovereign land ("a domestic dependent nation") and internationally considered an autonomous administrative division (AAD), which are managed by Native American tribes under the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. This is an example as an alternative to a complete "sovereign state."

(COMMENT)

The use of an AAD has been considered the preferred type of alternative in cases where the parent sovereign nation does not wish to subdivide a large homogenous population and territory into clearly identifiable demographic segments having similar requirements, and economic characteristics. The complete separation, segmentation and partition is the more applicable choice when the two population are incompatible and maintain unreconcilable differences. In such cases where the minority (the Jewish) is completely surrounded by a hostile majority population (Arabs) --- complete partition is preferred in order to preserve the minority from extinction by the majority.

Most Respectfully,
R

...complete partition is preferred...​

Partition of what, Rocco?

Well it would not be arab muslim land as they did not have any in Palestine, so it must be the land that was "spoils of war" after WW1 that the LoN owned and had bequeathed to the Jews for their NATIONAL HOME.

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

Our friend "Challenger" is correct. The concept of a "National Home" is a greater idea then its subset of a "Sovereign State." It doesn't mean that the concept of a "National Home" does not include a possible subset of a "Sovereign State."

P F Tinmore, et al,

We will have to agree to - "disagree" - on what the Treaty of Lausanne has to say on the subject; fore it does not mention Palestine; but rather Syria. The Treaty of Sèvres, which predates the Treaty of Lausanne by four years, directly mention Palestine.

Syria was divided by previous agreements between the Allied Powers. The establishment of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applies, and the establishment of the accompanying Order in Council, also predates any effect of the Treaty of Lausanne relative to Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The question of citizenship to the Mandate Territory is an interesting one, but does not change the status of the territory in the least. Whether a person, indigenous or not, was granted Palestinian Citizenship as a matter for the Mandatory power, as the successor government to the Ottoman Empire, to administer make no difference. And if the Mandatory extended citizenship under the post-War Treatise and Mandate by the Powers, such citizenship did not have any impact on the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation. Palestine as an "entity" only existed to the degree and extent as the Allied Powers decided it should exist.

The Treaty of Lausanne did not mention Palestine or citizenship at all. Relative to Section II, Article 30, the Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory detached from Turkey became nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred; --- except that in the Middle East territories [today known as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestine (WB & G)] there were no self-governing states. That control was transferred to the Allied Powers under Mandate by the League of Nations. And the citizenship was established under the Mandate.

Whatever the Palestinian may think today, the status of the territory and the people have changed over time. By 1950 the Palestinians in the West Bank had (by right of self-determination) adopted Jordanian Citizenship through the Parliamentary process; --- while the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip became constituents represented politically by the All Palestine Government (APG) under the protection and control of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

Most Respectfully,
R

The bottom line is that this is Palestine.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

The mandate was to act in the best interest of the people. (The people being the above mentioned Palestinians.) The mandate was to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. (An independent Palestinian state.)

The LoN Covenant provided a means, a goal, and a time frame for the mandate as a temporary assignment.

The Jewish National Home was not to be a separate state. The mandate was to assist immigrant Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship where they would have equal rights to the other citizens.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with the mandate.

Once again you attempt to bestow sovereignty on to Palestine when none existed, the Mandate set in stone the simple fact that it dealt with the mandate for Palestine and not the nation. Under International law of the time the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE bequeathed the land to the Jews of the world for the RESURECTION OF THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. It did not give anything to the arab muslims as they had received their allotment with Jordan, Syria and Iraq.
You need to read the Mandate for Palestine to see where it is stated that the Jews will have a separate state.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

Just a few of the articles that set in stone and CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW the resurrection of Israel

"National home" does not necessarily mean "Sovereign State"

(OBSERVATION)

In the US, we have a type of territory known as an "Indian Reservation;" --- independent sovereign land ("a domestic dependent nation") and internationally considered an autonomous administrative division (AAD), which are managed by Native American tribes under the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. This is an example as an alternative to a complete "sovereign state."

(COMMENT)

The use of an AAD has been considered the preferred type of alternative in cases where the parent sovereign nation does not wish to subdivide a large homogenous population and territory into clearly identifiable demographic segments having similar requirements, and economic characteristics. The complete separation, segmentation and partition is the more applicable choice when the two population are incompatible and maintain unreconcilable differences. In such cases where the minority (the Jewish) is completely surrounded by a hostile majority population (Arabs) --- complete partition is preferred in order to preserve the minority from extinction by the majority.

Most Respectfully,
R

They are called Bantustans.

No they are called AAD's, Bantustan is a South African term that has no meaning anywhere else in the world,

 

[MJB12741]

montelatici, et al,

Nonsense. You've misunderstood the entire concept.

(COMMENT)

The term "Bantustan" is an apartheid term. An attempt by the pro-Palestinians to make an association with a territory set aside as part of the policy or system of segregation on grounds of race (nonexistent racial difference between Israelis 'vs' Palestinians). When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

The conflict between the Israelis and Palestinians is a rare example of the reverse-Apartheid in which the regional Majority Population (multiple Arab Jihadist and Fedayeen) are attempting to forcibly dislodge, dissect, and disburse a surrounded Minority Population attempting to establish, protect and defend, a National Home as originally conceived by the Principle Allied Powers nearly a century ago.

Most Respectfully,
R

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

 

[MJB12741]

Israel is so damn apartheid it is the only country in the entire Middle East with citizens of virtually allliving faiths including Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset. You know, just like the non apartheid Arab countries have Christians & Jews with equal voting rights in their governments.[/QUOTE

Palestinians with equal voting rights in the Knesset.​

I hear that a lot. How many proposals have they made in the Knesset that became law?

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

Hmmm! Still no reply. Gosh I wonder why that is?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Who cares ?? You people will always find something to complain about. Even if there had been 20 laws passed that originated from Palestinian proposals, you would look for something else to whine about.

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

Hmmm! Still no reply. Gosh I wonder why that is?

It is difficult to tell in Palestine. They do not mention the religion of their officials. You can't tell by the party because parties, including the Change and Reform (Hamas) Party, includes Christians. Christians are elected in Muslim majority areas.

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

 

[toastman]

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

Hmmm! Still no reply. Gosh I wonder why that is?

It is difficult to tell in Palestine. They do not mention the religion of their officials. You can't tell by the party because parties, including the Change and Reform (Hamas) Party, includes Christians. Christians are elected in Muslim majority areas.

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nothing in that link says anything about Christians being in the government.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

Hmmm! Still no reply. Gosh I wonder why that is?

It is difficult to tell in Palestine. They do not mention the religion of their officials. You can't tell by the party because parties, including the Change and Reform (Hamas) Party, includes Christians. Christians are elected in Muslim majority areas.

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nothing in that link says anything about Christians being in the government.

It is difficult to tell. Palestine does not divide people by religion like Israel does. Sometimes you can get that information from a bios printed someplace. Some are well known Christians like Hannon Ashrawi or Janet Janet Mikhail.

Here is another one.

 

[toastman]

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

Hmmm! Still no reply. Gosh I wonder why that is?

It is difficult to tell in Palestine. They do not mention the religion of their officials. You can't tell by the party because parties, including the Change and Reform (Hamas) Party, includes Christians. Christians are elected in Muslim majority areas.

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Nothing in that link says anything about Christians being in the government.

It is difficult to tell. Palestine does not divide people by religion like Israel does. Sometimes you can get that information from a bios printed someplace. Some are well known Christians like Hannon Ashrawi or Janet Janet Mikhail.

Here is another one.

How is it that Israel divide's people by religion?

 

[Phoenall]

Can I take that as a big fat 0

You're trying to make it seem like it is relevant, when we both know it's not.

Horsefeathers, we all know that a few token Palestinians in the Knesset are irrelevant.

It is a good talking point though.

So then, how many token Christians & Jews are represented in Arab country governments with equal voting rights?

Hmmm! Still no reply. Gosh I wonder why that is?

It is difficult to tell in Palestine. They do not mention the religion of their officials. You can't tell by the party because parties, including the Change and Reform (Hamas) Party, includes Christians. Christians are elected in Muslim majority areas.

Palestinian March 2007 National Unity Government - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

Now the Christians are ethnically cleansed from Palestine and not allowed to hold any political posts.

 

[Challenger]

Challenger, et al,

Our friend "Challenger" is correct. The concept of a "National Home" is a greater idea then its subset of a "Sovereign State." It doesn't mean that the concept of a "National Home" does not include a possible subset of a "Sovereign State."

P F Tinmore, et al,

We will have to agree to - "disagree" - on what the Treaty of Lausanne has to say on the subject; fore it does not mention Palestine; but rather Syria. The Treaty of Sèvres, which predates the Treaty of Lausanne by four years, directly mention Palestine.

Syria was divided by previous agreements between the Allied Powers. The establishment of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applies, and the establishment of the accompanying Order in Council, also predates any effect of the Treaty of Lausanne relative to Palestine.

Good post, thanks.

Palestine has a long history of invasions, conquests, and other movements of people. However, there was a core group of people who stayed and put down roots.

The question of who is Palestinian was settled after WWI. All Turkish subjects who normally lived inside Palestine's defined territory were legally Palestinians. Race, religion, and ethnicity were not issues. All became citizens of Palestine.

Any discussion outside of this legal framework is irrelevant.

(COMMENT)

The question of citizenship to the Mandate Territory is an interesting one, but does not change the status of the territory in the least. Whether a person, indigenous or not, was granted Palestinian Citizenship as a matter for the Mandatory power, as the successor government to the Ottoman Empire, to administer make no difference. And if the Mandatory extended citizenship under the post-War Treatise and Mandate by the Powers, such citizenship did not have any impact on the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation. Palestine as an "entity" only existed to the degree and extent as the Allied Powers decided it should exist.

The Treaty of Lausanne did not mention Palestine or citizenship at all. Relative to Section II, Article 30, the Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory detached from Turkey became nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred; --- except that in the Middle East territories [today known as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestine (WB & G)] there were no self-governing states. That control was transferred to the Allied Powers under Mandate by the League of Nations. And the citizenship was established under the Mandate.

Whatever the Palestinian may think today, the status of the territory and the people have changed over time. By 1950 the Palestinians in the West Bank had (by right of self-determination) adopted Jordanian Citizenship through the Parliamentary process; --- while the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip became constituents represented politically by the All Palestine Government (APG) under the protection and control of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

Most Respectfully,
R

The bottom line is that this is Palestine.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

The mandate was to act in the best interest of the people. (The people being the above mentioned Palestinians.) The mandate was to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. (An independent Palestinian state.)

The LoN Covenant provided a means, a goal, and a time frame for the mandate as a temporary assignment.

The Jewish National Home was not to be a separate state. The mandate was to assist immigrant Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship where they would have equal rights to the other citizens.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with the mandate.

Once again you attempt to bestow sovereignty on to Palestine when none existed, the Mandate set in stone the simple fact that it dealt with the mandate for Palestine and not the nation. Under International law of the time the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE bequeathed the land to the Jews of the world for the RESURECTION OF THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. It did not give anything to the arab muslims as they had received their allotment with Jordan, Syria and Iraq.
You need to read the Mandate for Palestine to see where it is stated that the Jews will have a separate state.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

Just a few of the articles that set in stone and CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW the resurrection of Israel

"National home" does not necessarily mean "Sovereign State"

(OBSERVATION)

In the US, we have a type of territory known as an "Indian Reservation;" --- independent sovereign land ("a domestic dependent nation") and internationally considered an autonomous administrative division (AAD), which are managed by Native American tribes under the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. This is an example as an alternative to a complete "sovereign state."

(COMMENT)

The use of an AAD has been considered the preferred type of alternative in cases where the parent sovereign nation does not wish to subdivide a large homogenous population and territory into clearly identifiable demographic segments having similar requirements, and economic characteristics. The complete separation, segmentation and partition is the more applicable choice when the two population are incompatible and maintain unreconcilable differences. In such cases where the minority (the Jewish) is completely surrounded by a hostile majority population (Arabs) --- complete partition is preferred in order to preserve the minority from extinction by the majority.

Most Respectfully,
R

In South Africa it was called Apartheid.

 

[Challenger]

When in fact the entire reason (multiple) for the separation, partition, and quarantine is actually based on the protection and preservation of a minority culture (Jewish) --- a majority group (Arab) attempting the hostile domination in favor of its members over a minority group (Israelis) which have been historically --- the disadvantaged culture attempting to establish a safe haven and permanent homeland for the protection of the group.

This is a Zionist logical fallacy akin to, "let's put all our eggs into one basket". Judaism survived only because it was a scattered religious group. If all the world's Jewish population only lived in Poland in 1939 for example...oops. The same applies to Zionist Israel today.

 

[Phoenall]

Challenger, et al,

Our friend "Challenger" is correct. The concept of a "National Home" is a greater idea then its subset of a "Sovereign State." It doesn't mean that the concept of a "National Home" does not include a possible subset of a "Sovereign State."

P F Tinmore, et al,

We will have to agree to - "disagree" - on what the Treaty of Lausanne has to say on the subject; fore it does not mention Palestine; but rather Syria. The Treaty of Sèvres, which predates the Treaty of Lausanne by four years, directly mention Palestine.

Syria was divided by previous agreements between the Allied Powers. The establishment of the territory to which the Mandate of Palestine applies, and the establishment of the accompanying Order in Council, also predates any effect of the Treaty of Lausanne relative to Palestine.

(COMMENT)

The question of citizenship to the Mandate Territory is an interesting one, but does not change the status of the territory in the least. Whether a person, indigenous or not, was granted Palestinian Citizenship as a matter for the Mandatory power, as the successor government to the Ottoman Empire, to administer make no difference. And if the Mandatory extended citizenship under the post-War Treatise and Mandate by the Powers, such citizenship did not have any impact on the establishment of a sovereign and independent nation. Palestine as an "entity" only existed to the degree and extent as the Allied Powers decided it should exist.

The Treaty of Lausanne did not mention Palestine or citizenship at all. Relative to Section II, Article 30, the Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory detached from Turkey became nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred; --- except that in the Middle East territories [today known as Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Israel, and the Palestine (WB & G)] there were no self-governing states. That control was transferred to the Allied Powers under Mandate by the League of Nations. And the citizenship was established under the Mandate.

Whatever the Palestinian may think today, the status of the territory and the people have changed over time. By 1950 the Palestinians in the West Bank had (by right of self-determination) adopted Jordanian Citizenship through the Parliamentary process; --- while the Palestinians in the Gaza Strip became constituents represented politically by the All Palestine Government (APG) under the protection and control of the Egyptian Military Governorship.

Most Respectfully,
R

The bottom line is that this is Palestine.

Palestine, as the mandate clearly showed, was a subject under international law. While she could not conclude international conventions, the mandatory Power, until further notice, concluded them on her behalf, in virtue of Article 19 of the mandate. The mandate, in Article 7, obliged the Mandatory to enact a nationality law, which again showed that the Palestinians formed a nation, and that Palestine was a State, though provisionally under guardianship. It was, moreover, unnecessary to labour the point; there was no doubt whatever that Palestine was a separate political entity.

See more at: Mandate for Palestine - League of Nations 32nd session - Minutes of the Permanent Mandates Commission 18 August 1937 ​

The mandate was to act in the best interest of the people. (The people being the above mentioned Palestinians.) The mandate was to render administrative assistance and advice until the people could stand alone. (An independent Palestinian state.)

The LoN Covenant provided a means, a goal, and a time frame for the mandate as a temporary assignment.

The Jewish National Home was not to be a separate state. The mandate was to assist immigrant Jews in obtaining Palestinian citizenship where they would have equal rights to the other citizens.

The creation of Israel was a unilateral move that had nothing to do with the mandate.

Once again you attempt to bestow sovereignty on to Palestine when none existed, the Mandate set in stone the simple fact that it dealt with the mandate for Palestine and not the nation. Under International law of the time the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE bequeathed the land to the Jews of the world for the RESURECTION OF THE NATIONAL HOME OF THE JEWS. It did not give anything to the arab muslims as they had received their allotment with Jordan, Syria and Iraq.
You need to read the Mandate for Palestine to see where it is stated that the Jews will have a separate state.

The Avalon Project The Palestine Mandate

ART. 4.
An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.
The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

ART. 5.
The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of the Government of any foreign Power

ART. 6.
The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes

ART. 7.
The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law. There shall be included in this law provisions framed so as to facilitate the acquisition of Palestinian citizenship by Jews who take up their permanent residence in Palestine

Just a few of the articles that set in stone and CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW the resurrection of Israel

"National home" does not necessarily mean "Sovereign State"

(OBSERVATION)

In the US, we have a type of territory known as an "Indian Reservation;" --- independent sovereign land ("a domestic dependent nation") and internationally considered an autonomous administrative division (AAD), which are managed by Native American tribes under the US Bureau of Indian Affairs. This is an example as an alternative to a complete "sovereign state."

(COMMENT)

The use of an AAD has been considered the preferred type of alternative in cases where the parent sovereign nation does not wish to subdivide a large homogenous population and territory into clearly identifiable demographic segments having similar requirements, and economic characteristics. The complete separation, segmentation and partition is the more applicable choice when the two population are incompatible and maintain unreconcilable differences. In such cases where the minority (the Jewish) is completely surrounded by a hostile majority population (Arabs) --- complete partition is preferred in order to preserve the minority from extinction by the majority.

Most Respectfully,
R

In South Africa it was called Apartheid.

WRONG AGAIN as there is no apartheid in Israel, but plenty in Palestine at the hands of the arab muslims. What does every one of their charters say about Jews and Palestine again ?