Who Are The Palestinians?

[toastman]

Load of crap. Out classed, out maneuvered, outsmarted is absolutely right.

Mooching? Palestinians are the king of moochers !

Are you kidding? Israel is the mooch capital of the world.

Israel was created on the mooch and exists on the mooch.

There isn't a bigger bunch of freeloaders in the world.

Israel was absolutely not created off mooch. That's your bullshit version of history. And your version of history of this conflict as we all know is completely flawed.

The first thing they did is mooch the service of Britain's military to impose the Zionist agenda on Palestine at the point of a gun.

Virtually all of the money needed to create Israel came from out of country.

Israel still lives with its hand out.

Wheres your link for the first two statements?

I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years.

If you were well read on the subject you would have see them too.

Translation: You are making up anti Israel stuff as usual.

"If you were well read on the subject you would have see them too"

Coming from the guy who is always wrong about everything , that's hilarious

 

[toastman]

...I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years.

If you were well read on the subject you would have see them too.

Ahhhhh...

So, the next time you pull your infamous 'Link?' stonewalling stunt...

You will accept as legitimate the response: "I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years..." ???

Remember this sequence for future reference.

Great idea, I'll make sure to use it !

 

[Vigilante]

 

[P F Tinmore]

...I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years.

If you were well read on the subject you would have see them too.

Ahhhhh...

So, the next time you pull your infamous 'Link?' stonewalling stunt...

You will accept as legitimate the response: "I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years..." ???

Remember this sequence for future reference.

You can't always get history from sound bites and talking points.

Example:

Zionism and Technocracy The Engineering of Jewish Settlement in Palestine ... - Derek Jonathan Penslar - Google Books

 

[Phoenall]

From your source:

The Palestinian National Charter was adopted on May 28, 1964, establishing the Palestine Liberation Organization, in (east) Jerusalem along with another document, variously known as the Basic Constitution, Basic Law or Fundamental Law of the PLO, based on an earlier Draft Constitution. The Charter is concerned mainly with the aims of the Palestine Liberation Organization, while the Fundamental Law is more concerned with the structure and procedures of the organization.
​

It's the PLO's charter. Like I said - various groups have charters. The Palestinian people as a whole do not.

Which was adopted as the Palestinian National Charter when the PLO became fatah. So it is for all the Palestinian people and not just the PLO.

No, because you also have Hamas and it's charter. They are the charters of the political groups. The people as a whole don't have one and won't I guess, until they have a chance to develop state and national constitution of some sort.

2003 Amended Basic Law The Palestinian Basic Law

have you read it, and seen how racists and anti-Semitic it is. And that it is but a proposal "A collection of various propsals and amendments to the Basic Law of Palestine "

Israel was absolutely not created off mooch. That's your bullshit version of history. And your version of history of this conflict as we all know is completely flawed.

The first thing they did is mooch the service of Britain's military to impose the Zionist agenda on Palestine at the point of a gun.

Virtually all of the money needed to create Israel came from out of country.

Israel still lives with its hand out.

Don't you mean the arab muslims, as they ended up with 78% of Palestine and the mooched the LoN to impose pan-arab nationalism.

That would be Palestine that moches $trillions every year.

It came from Jews who then started the migration to Israel as planned way back in 1919. Not a penny piece was mooched from anyone. Not like the Palestinians that mooch $trillions from the UN and the world, and spend it all on terrorism. And they were born with their hands out

The Christians and Muslims at Partition would have received less than half of the land they owned 85% of and had double the population. You are truly a Phoney.

"On September 3, UNSCOP submitted its report to the U.N. General Assembly. Thereport noted that the population of Palestine at the end of 1946 was estimated to be almost 1,846,000, with 1,203,000 Arabs (65 percent) and 608,000 Jews (33 percent). Again, the growth of the Jewish population was mainly the result of immigration, whereas the Arab growth was “almost entirely” natural increase.....Land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district in Palestine. In Jaffa, with the highest percentage of Jewish ownership of any district, 47 percent of the land was owned by Arabs versus 39 percent owned by Jews. At the opposite end of the spectrum, in Ramallah district, Arabs owned 99 percent of the land and Jews less than 1 percent.[7] In the whole of Palestine, Arabs were in possession of 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]......The plan would have awarded a majority of the territory to its minority Jewish population, who were in possession of a mere fraction of the land, and so was naturally rejected by the Arab majority who legally owned most of Palestine.[16]..."

The U.N. Partition Plan and Arab Catastrophe Page 3 of 3 Foreign Policy Journal

From your past links we get these

50. Table 1 shows the foreign assets and liabilities as estimated
for 1945. The net balance of foreign assets as shown in this table
is divided between the communities in table la. The estimates
have been compiled from analyses of Government accounts, bank
records and commercial balance sheets.
51. Table 2, which has been compiled from the records of land
taxation, shows the area of land held by Arabs (and other non-
Jews) and by Jews. In table 2A the rural areas have been valued
at pre-war prices based on the categorization of land for fiscal
purposes carried out in 1935. These values, although based on
values actually ruling pre-war, are completely arbitrary and have
been designed to reflect the share of the two groups of the population
rather than the aggregate value of the land. The estimate
abstracts from the scarcity values which have in recent years
operated to drive up land values to figures which in earlier years
would have been considered fantastic.


Now the missing tables that tell the true story



View attachment 34341

You better get back to your Christmas shopping on Ebay Phoney...

Taxation has NOTHING to do with land ownership!

It does in certain parts of the world, mostly those run by Britain. You own property and you are liable to a tax on that property payable every year. The tax is now split into 7 bands and you pay according to the value of the property. Because Palestine was under British rule the same laws applies and so land and property was taxed on value, call it a tithe, so the more land you owned the higher the tax you paid. This destroys the false claims by monti that the arab muslims owned the majority of Palestine as the tax records show the Jews paid the most in land taxes.

 

[Phoenall]

The Palestinians that also includes the one by hamas and the one by fatah

The Palestinians don't have a charter. Hamas does and Fatah and the PLO do.

Charters Constitutions - FATEH Constitution

Neither Fateh nor the PLO call for a nation with no Jews. Fateh's Constitution calls for "Establishing an independent democratic state with complete sovereignty on all Palestinian lands, and Jerusalem is its capital city, and protecting the citizens' legal and equal rights without any racial or religious discrimination.". The Constitution references fighting Zionism and Imperialism. Unfortunately with Arafat's death, the PLO charter did not get amended. They still call for the destruction of Israel, as a state - but not for the creation of a nation with NO JEWS. The above in Fatah's constitution seems to support that.

I didn't read through Hamas' because I don't think much of Hamas as a legitimate governing entity.

Want to try again as this is what the Palestinian National Covenant says

Palestinian National Covenant - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Article 7 of the earlier document was changed from "Jews of Palestinian origin are considered Palestinians ..." to being restricted only to those "who had resided in Palestine until the beginning of the Zionist invasion." The final article providing that it can only be amended by a vote of a two-thirds majority of the Palestinian National Council (PNC) at a special session convened for that purpose was left unchanged.

Now we all know that the "Zionist invasion began in 1870 and I doubt that any indigenous Jews from that time are still alive. So in es

Yeah, I know - whether folks believe it or not, there is a part of me that wishes that this were not true - that peaceful coexistence between the Israelis and Palestinians was still possible, but - and this is pure personal opinion - I think that possibility died a quiet, lonely death, quite some time ago.

Am I positive? Of course not. Do I believe it? Yes. Do I perceive realistic and likely reasons for that belief? Yes.

And IF peaceful coexistence is no longer possible, then one side or the other is gonna have to go.

And, because extermination would be an unforgivable sin and crime against God and Man...

That doesn't leave anything other than mass relocation of one side or the other.

IF we are left with nothing better than relocation, then the weaker side will be the one to go.

That's all based upon the premise that peaceful coexistence is now virtually impossible.

If I'm right, then everything I've said beyond that point is both logical and nearly inevitable.

Or a Berlin Wall...or seperation like N S Korea. I think forced relocation of huge numbers of people is the least likely outcome

We already have a " Berlin Wall" of sorts and team Palestine sees it as a RACIST divide. Expect even more separation barriers to be erected and for the Israeli's to enforce even harsher controls on the land they annexe in Jerusalem. Expect to see Palestinian violence and riots as the separation barriers are extended and deep piles driven into the land to deter tunnels. Maybe drilling steel/concrete lined holes and placing explosives at the bottom would also deter Palestinian tunnels as the explosions would trap the terrorists in the tunnels.

From your source:

The Palestinian National Charter was adopted on May 28, 1964, establishing the Palestine Liberation Organization, in (east) Jerusalem along with another document, variously known as the Basic Constitution, Basic Law or Fundamental Law of the PLO, based on an earlier Draft Constitution. The Charter is concerned mainly with the aims of the Palestine Liberation Organization, while the Fundamental Law is more concerned with the structure and procedures of the organization.
​

It's the PLO's charter. Like I said - various groups have charters. The Palestinian people as a whole do not.

Well then, who were the people that elected Hamas?

A portion of the Palestinians. Though, apparently, even though Hamas won they did not win the popular vote (I'll never understand their system).

They were elected by the Palestinian people even though they knew they were Islamic fundementalists and dictatorial. The palestinian people knew what hamas were like and still elected them and their charter.

 

[Humanity]

Which was adopted as the Palestinian National Charter when the PLO became fatah. So it is for all the Palestinian people and not just the PLO.

No, because you also have Hamas and it's charter. They are the charters of the political groups. The people as a whole don't have one and won't I guess, until they have a chance to develop state and national constitution of some sort.

2003 Amended Basic Law The Palestinian Basic Law

have you read it, and seen how racists and anti-Semitic it is. And that it is but a proposal "A collection of various propsals and amendments to the Basic Law of Palestine "

The first thing they did is mooch the service of Britain's military to impose the Zionist agenda on Palestine at the point of a gun.

Virtually all of the money needed to create Israel came from out of country.

Israel still lives with its hand out.

Don't you mean the arab muslims, as they ended up with 78% of Palestine and the mooched the LoN to impose pan-arab nationalism.

That would be Palestine that moches $trillions every year.

It came from Jews who then started the migration to Israel as planned way back in 1919. Not a penny piece was mooched from anyone. Not like the Palestinians that mooch $trillions from the UN and the world, and spend it all on terrorism. And they were born with their hands out

The Christians and Muslims at Partition would have received less than half of the land they owned 85% of and had double the population. You are truly a Phoney.

"On September 3, UNSCOP submitted its report to the U.N. General Assembly. Thereport noted that the population of Palestine at the end of 1946 was estimated to be almost 1,846,000, with 1,203,000 Arabs (65 percent) and 608,000 Jews (33 percent). Again, the growth of the Jewish population was mainly the result of immigration, whereas the Arab growth was “almost entirely” natural increase.....Land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district in Palestine. In Jaffa, with the highest percentage of Jewish ownership of any district, 47 percent of the land was owned by Arabs versus 39 percent owned by Jews. At the opposite end of the spectrum, in Ramallah district, Arabs owned 99 percent of the land and Jews less than 1 percent.[7] In the whole of Palestine, Arabs were in possession of 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]......The plan would have awarded a majority of the territory to its minority Jewish population, who were in possession of a mere fraction of the land, and so was naturally rejected by the Arab majority who legally owned most of Palestine.[16]..."

The U.N. Partition Plan and Arab Catastrophe Page 3 of 3 Foreign Policy Journal

From your past links we get these

50. Table 1 shows the foreign assets and liabilities as estimated
for 1945. The net balance of foreign assets as shown in this table
is divided between the communities in table la. The estimates
have been compiled from analyses of Government accounts, bank
records and commercial balance sheets.
51. Table 2, which has been compiled from the records of land
taxation, shows the area of land held by Arabs (and other non-
Jews) and by Jews. In table 2A the rural areas have been valued
at pre-war prices based on the categorization of land for fiscal
purposes carried out in 1935. These values, although based on
values actually ruling pre-war, are completely arbitrary and have
been designed to reflect the share of the two groups of the population
rather than the aggregate value of the land. The estimate
abstracts from the scarcity values which have in recent years
operated to drive up land values to figures which in earlier years
would have been considered fantastic.


Now the missing tables that tell the true story



View attachment 34341

You better get back to your Christmas shopping on Ebay Phoney...

Taxation has NOTHING to do with land ownership!

It does in certain parts of the world, mostly those run by Britain. You own property and you are liable to a tax on that property payable every year. The tax is now split into 7 bands and you pay according to the value of the property. Because Palestine was under British rule the same laws applies and so land and property was taxed on value, call it a tithe, so the more land you owned the higher the tax you paid. This destroys the false claims by monti that the arab muslims owned the majority of Palestine as the tax records show the Jews paid the most in land taxes.

Oh Phoney, why do you do it to yourself all the time...

"so land and property was taxed on value"

Does not equate to...

"so the more land you owned the higher the tax you paid"

Can you see the difference?

Property is taxed on LAND VALUE not LAND OWNED!

 

[Kondor3]

...I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years.

If you were well read on the subject you would have see them too.

Ahhhhh...

So, the next time you pull your infamous 'Link?' stonewalling stunt...

You will accept as legitimate the response: "I didn't bookmark these particular sites. This is just stuff that I have seen in places throughout the years..." ???

Remember this sequence for future reference.

You can't always get history from sound bites and talking points.

Example:

Zionism and Technocracy The Engineering of Jewish Settlement in Palestine ... - Derek Jonathan Penslar - Google Books

Translation: "OK, OK, OK... ya got me on that one."

 

[Kondor3]

They were elected by the Palestinian people even though they knew they were Islamic fundementalists and dictatorial. The palestinian people knew what hamas were like and still elected them and their charter.

Agreed.

There is no escaping the conclusion that a sufficient number of Palestinians chose Hamas to lead them, in order to install them in power, in at least a portion of Rump Palestine.

Gaza, in this case.

By choosing them, they chose their Charter and Philosophy.

This is not merely Guilt by Association.

This is Conscious, Informed Choice.

All protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, and set aside as inoperative.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They were elected by the Palestinian people even though they knew they were Islamic fundementalists and dictatorial. The palestinian people knew what hamas were like and still elected them and their charter.

Agreed.

There is no escaping the conclusion that a sufficient number of Palestinians chose Hamas to lead them, in order to install them in power, in at least a portion of Rump Palestine.

Gaza, in this case.

By choosing them, they chose their Charter and Philosophy.

This is not merely Guilt by Association.

This is Conscious, Informed Choice.

All protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, and set aside as inoperative.

Hamas won the elections in the West Bank and Gaza. When it is said that Hamas had a coup against the PA it is a lie. Hamas was the majority, and therefore the ruling party, in the PA.

Fatah did get more votes but because they had multiple candidates for the same seat they split the vote leaving Hamas to win the seat.

The Hamas Charter was not an issue in the elections or in Palestine in general.. It was not mentioned. The government runs on the Basic Law (constitution) not on the charter of any political party.

People voted for Hamas because Fatah is corrupt and criminal. Fatah violates their constitution on a regular basis. They waste decades on fake peace talks while the Palestinians go backwards in their rights. They have a huge budget for their 50,000 man security force who is always absent when Palestinians are being attacked.

 

[Vigilante]

 

[montelatici]

Which was adopted as the Palestinian National Charter when the PLO became fatah. So it is for all the Palestinian people and not just the PLO.

No, because you also have Hamas and it's charter. They are the charters of the political groups. The people as a whole don't have one and won't I guess, until they have a chance to develop state and national constitution of some sort.

2003 Amended Basic Law The Palestinian Basic Law

have you read it, and seen how racists and anti-Semitic it is. And that it is but a proposal "A collection of various propsals and amendments to the Basic Law of Palestine "

The first thing they did is mooch the service of Britain's military to impose the Zionist agenda on Palestine at the point of a gun.

Virtually all of the money needed to create Israel came from out of country.

Israel still lives with its hand out.

Don't you mean the arab muslims, as they ended up with 78% of Palestine and the mooched the LoN to impose pan-arab nationalism.

That would be Palestine that moches $trillions every year.

It came from Jews who then started the migration to Israel as planned way back in 1919. Not a penny piece was mooched from anyone. Not like the Palestinians that mooch $trillions from the UN and the world, and spend it all on terrorism. And they were born with their hands out

The Christians and Muslims at Partition would have received less than half of the land they owned 85% of and had double the population. You are truly a Phoney.

"On September 3, UNSCOP submitted its report to the U.N. General Assembly. Thereport noted that the population of Palestine at the end of 1946 was estimated to be almost 1,846,000, with 1,203,000 Arabs (65 percent) and 608,000 Jews (33 percent). Again, the growth of the Jewish population was mainly the result of immigration, whereas the Arab growth was “almost entirely” natural increase.....Land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district in Palestine. In Jaffa, with the highest percentage of Jewish ownership of any district, 47 percent of the land was owned by Arabs versus 39 percent owned by Jews. At the opposite end of the spectrum, in Ramallah district, Arabs owned 99 percent of the land and Jews less than 1 percent.[7] In the whole of Palestine, Arabs were in possession of 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]......The plan would have awarded a majority of the territory to its minority Jewish population, who were in possession of a mere fraction of the land, and so was naturally rejected by the Arab majority who legally owned most of Palestine.[16]..."

The U.N. Partition Plan and Arab Catastrophe Page 3 of 3 Foreign Policy Journal

From your past links we get these

50. Table 1 shows the foreign assets and liabilities as estimated
for 1945. The net balance of foreign assets as shown in this table
is divided between the communities in table la. The estimates
have been compiled from analyses of Government accounts, bank
records and commercial balance sheets.
51. Table 2, which has been compiled from the records of land
taxation, shows the area of land held by Arabs (and other non-
Jews) and by Jews. In table 2A the rural areas have been valued
at pre-war prices based on the categorization of land for fiscal
purposes carried out in 1935. These values, although based on
values actually ruling pre-war, are completely arbitrary and have
been designed to reflect the share of the two groups of the population
rather than the aggregate value of the land. The estimate
abstracts from the scarcity values which have in recent years
operated to drive up land values to figures which in earlier years
would have been considered fantastic.


Now the missing tables that tell the true story



View attachment 34341

You better get back to your Christmas shopping on Ebay Phoney...

Taxation has NOTHING to do with land ownership!

It does in certain parts of the world, mostly those run by Britain. You own property and you are liable to a tax on that property payable every year. The tax is now split into 7 bands and you pay according to the value of the property. Because Palestine was under British rule the same laws applies and so land and property was taxed on value, call it a tithe, so the more land you owned the higher the tax you paid. This destroys the false claims by monti that the arab muslims owned the majority of Palestine as the tax records show the Jews paid the most in land taxes.

The table shows exactly how much land each group owned in 1946. Arabs owned more than 85% of the land Jews less than 7%. The table is clear on the exact amount acreage each group owned. So, none of your bullshit can change the facts.

Tax rates were based on land value and location. The land value was set by the last sale of the land, not by assessment. Since the Jews were recent buyers at far higher prices their land was higher priced when exchanged. Additionally, urban land was taxed at a higher rate than rural land another factor for the higher tax payments, as Jews owned more urban land.

Again, available from the Berman Jewish Policy Archive of NYU and Wagner, are all the volumes of the Survey of Palestine issued by the UN in 1946 before partition. The volumes can be downloaded in pdf from here:

A Survey of Palestine Volume 1 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

The Survey (page 566) definitively sets the record straight on who owned the land. In 1946, the Arabs owned more than 85% of the land and the Jews less than 7%.

 

[Kondor3]

They were elected by the Palestinian people even though they knew they were Islamic fundementalists and dictatorial. The palestinian people knew what hamas were like and still elected them and their charter.

Agreed.

There is no escaping the conclusion that a sufficient number of Palestinians chose Hamas to lead them, in order to install them in power, in at least a portion of Rump Palestine.

Gaza, in this case.

By choosing them, they chose their Charter and Philosophy.

This is not merely Guilt by Association.

This is Conscious, Informed Choice.

All protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, and set aside as inoperative.

Hamas won the elections in the West Bank and Gaza. When it is said that Hamas had a coup against the PA it is a lie. Hamas was the majority, and therefore the ruling party, in the PA.

Fatah did get more votes but because they had multiple candidates for the same seat they split the vote leaving Hamas to win the seat.

The Hamas Charter was not an issue in the elections or in Palestine in general.. It was not mentioned. The government runs on the Basic Law (constitution) not on the charter of any political party.

People voted for Hamas because Fatah is corrupt and criminal. Fatah violates their constitution on a regular basis. They waste decades on fake peace talks while the Palestinians go backwards in their rights. They have a huge budget for their 50,000 man security force who is always absent when Palestinians are being attacked.

The Hamas Charter did not need to be an issue in the elections, in order to taint the Palestinians.

The very EXISTENCE of the Hamas Charter, and broad public knowledge of its contents - and them nevertheless electing Hamas - is sufficient for our purposes here.

Rather like voting the Nazi Party (NSDAP) into power in Germany for the first time in 1932, even though their Party Platform included Jew-hatred.

Elect such a party, and immediately (and rightfully) acquire the taint of the Party Platform.

There is no escaping this, and there is no excuse-making or juicy rationalization that can be effectively employed to detach People from Chosen Party Platform.

Sorry.

Lie down with dogs (as the Palestinian people did, in electing Hamas) and you're gonna get fleas.

 

[Kondor3]

...The table shows exactly how much land each group owned in 1946...

Are you 'spamming' this graphic? It seems to be showing-up a lot lately, with pretty much the same commentary, each time. Just sayin'.

 

[P F Tinmore]

They were elected by the Palestinian people even though they knew they were Islamic fundementalists and dictatorial. The palestinian people knew what hamas were like and still elected them and their charter.

Agreed.

There is no escaping the conclusion that a sufficient number of Palestinians chose Hamas to lead them, in order to install them in power, in at least a portion of Rump Palestine.

Gaza, in this case.

By choosing them, they chose their Charter and Philosophy.

This is not merely Guilt by Association.

This is Conscious, Informed Choice.

All protestations to the contrary notwithstanding, and set aside as inoperative.

Hamas won the elections in the West Bank and Gaza. When it is said that Hamas had a coup against the PA it is a lie. Hamas was the majority, and therefore the ruling party, in the PA.

Fatah did get more votes but because they had multiple candidates for the same seat they split the vote leaving Hamas to win the seat.

The Hamas Charter was not an issue in the elections or in Palestine in general.. It was not mentioned. The government runs on the Basic Law (constitution) not on the charter of any political party.

People voted for Hamas because Fatah is corrupt and criminal. Fatah violates their constitution on a regular basis. They waste decades on fake peace talks while the Palestinians go backwards in their rights. They have a huge budget for their 50,000 man security force who is always absent when Palestinians are being attacked.

The Hamas Charter did not need to be an issue in the elections, in order to taint the Palestinians.

The very EXISTENCE of the Hamas Charter, and broad public knowledge of its contents - and them nevertheless electing Hamas - is sufficient for our purposes here.

Rather like voting the Nazi Party (NSDAP) into power in Germany for the first time in 1932, even though their Party Platform included Jew-hatred.

Elect such a party, and immediately (and rightfully) acquire the taint of the Party Platform.

There is no escaping this, and there is no excuse-making or juicy rationalization that can be effectively employed to detach People from Chosen Party Platform.

Sorry.

Lie down with dogs (as the Palestinian people did, in electing Hamas) and you're gonna get fleas.

They should change the name to the Israel Charter.

They are the only ones using it.

 

[Kondor3]

...They are the only ones using it.

Deflection and distraction... anything to avoid admitting the truth... that by electing Hamas, Palestinians adopted the Hamas Charter, both de facto and de jure.

 

[P F Tinmore]

...They are the only ones using it.

Deflection and distraction... anything to avoid admitting the truth... that by electing Hamas, Palestinians adopted the Hamas Charter, both de facto and de jure.

Whatevah, dude.

 

[montelatici]

...The table shows exactly how much land each group owned in 1946...

Are you 'spamming' this graphic? It seems to be showing-up a lot lately, with pretty much the same commentary, each time. Just sayin'.

As long as Phoney keeps denying what it states in plain language I will continue presenting it to him.

 

[Kondor3]

...They are the only ones using it.

Deflection and distraction... anything to avoid admitting the truth... that by electing Hamas, Palestinians adopted the Hamas Charter, both de facto and de jure.

Whatevah, dude.

Your cookie-cutter response, once your position becomes untenable...

 

[Phoenall]

No, because you also have Hamas and it's charter. They are the charters of the political groups. The people as a whole don't have one and won't I guess, until they have a chance to develop state and national constitution of some sort.

2003 Amended Basic Law The Palestinian Basic Law

have you read it, and seen how racists and anti-Semitic it is. And that it is but a proposal "A collection of various propsals and amendments to the Basic Law of Palestine "

Don't you mean the arab muslims, as they ended up with 78% of Palestine and the mooched the LoN to impose pan-arab nationalism.

That would be Palestine that moches $trillions every year.

It came from Jews who then started the migration to Israel as planned way back in 1919. Not a penny piece was mooched from anyone. Not like the Palestinians that mooch $trillions from the UN and the world, and spend it all on terrorism. And they were born with their hands out

The Christians and Muslims at Partition would have received less than half of the land they owned 85% of and had double the population. You are truly a Phoney.

"On September 3, UNSCOP submitted its report to the U.N. General Assembly. Thereport noted that the population of Palestine at the end of 1946 was estimated to be almost 1,846,000, with 1,203,000 Arabs (65 percent) and 608,000 Jews (33 percent). Again, the growth of the Jewish population was mainly the result of immigration, whereas the Arab growth was “almost entirely” natural increase.....Land ownership statistics from 1945 showed that Arabs owned more land than Jews in every single district in Palestine. In Jaffa, with the highest percentage of Jewish ownership of any district, 47 percent of the land was owned by Arabs versus 39 percent owned by Jews. At the opposite end of the spectrum, in Ramallah district, Arabs owned 99 percent of the land and Jews less than 1 percent.[7] In the whole of Palestine, Arabs were in possession of 85 percent of the land, while Jews owned less than 7 percent.[8]......The plan would have awarded a majority of the territory to its minority Jewish population, who were in possession of a mere fraction of the land, and so was naturally rejected by the Arab majority who legally owned most of Palestine.[16]..."

The U.N. Partition Plan and Arab Catastrophe Page 3 of 3 Foreign Policy Journal

From your past links we get these

50. Table 1 shows the foreign assets and liabilities as estimated
for 1945. The net balance of foreign assets as shown in this table
is divided between the communities in table la. The estimates
have been compiled from analyses of Government accounts, bank
records and commercial balance sheets.
51. Table 2, which has been compiled from the records of land
taxation, shows the area of land held by Arabs (and other non-
Jews) and by Jews. In table 2A the rural areas have been valued
at pre-war prices based on the categorization of land for fiscal
purposes carried out in 1935. These values, although based on
values actually ruling pre-war, are completely arbitrary and have
been designed to reflect the share of the two groups of the population
rather than the aggregate value of the land. The estimate
abstracts from the scarcity values which have in recent years
operated to drive up land values to figures which in earlier years
would have been considered fantastic.


Now the missing tables that tell the true story



View attachment 34341

You better get back to your Christmas shopping on Ebay Phoney...

Taxation has NOTHING to do with land ownership!

It does in certain parts of the world, mostly those run by Britain. You own property and you are liable to a tax on that property payable every year. The tax is now split into 7 bands and you pay according to the value of the property. Because Palestine was under British rule the same laws applies and so land and property was taxed on value, call it a tithe, so the more land you owned the higher the tax you paid. This destroys the false claims by monti that the arab muslims owned the majority of Palestine as the tax records show the Jews paid the most in land taxes.

Oh Phoney, why do you do it to yourself all the time...

"so land and property was taxed on value"

Does not equate to...

"so the more land you owned the higher the tax you paid"

Can you see the difference?

Property is taxed on LAND VALUE not LAND OWNED!

So if I owned 100 acres and ali owned 10 acres I would pay the same tax as he would, or would I pay ten times more tax than him. Of course 100 acres is valued higher than 10 acres.

Do you understand this now, if the Jews owned 4.8% of the land and the arab muslims owned 0.8% of the land then the Jews would pay more tax. Which is what table 2 shows and is explained in the sectioned I posted that monti left out because it destroys his stance. Just as removing table 1 destroys his claims because it gives the true land ownership.