Who Are The Palestinians?

[montelatici]

Yes I do understand the results that show the true picture. And how they relate to the whole situation in Palestine. The fact that European and Ethiopian Jews share 95% of their Mitochondrial DNA with Jews from Palestine and the rest of the M.E. shows that they are very closely related. Then when the Mitochondrial DNA of arab muslims is tested for a match and the match comes in lower than the match for dogs, monkees and bananas it should set alarm bells ringing. These show that the arab muslims have no real ties to the land and are recent invaders that have never mixed with the true indigenous inhabitants of palestine

True. Among the indigenous Palestinians were JEWS. Not a land theiving Muslim Palestinian among them.

Absolutely right. There were indeed Jewish Palestinians, and when the Arabs drove out the Greco-Roman elites, many Christian and Jewish Palestinians converted to Islam and became Muslim Palestinians. So yes, there were never any land thieving Muslim Palestinians among them, correct.

So what should Israel do about all of the land theiving Muslim Palestinians who have been occupying the land for generations without ever having any titles or deeds to the land they stole?

You reall must read posts more carefully, " There never were any land thieving Muslim Palestinians.."

Correct because there was never any muslim Palestinians until Arafat the bent stole the name to give his cause a name.

As usual you make a fool of yourself every time you post. In 1922 the Palestinians were calling themselves the people of Palestinian as per their correspondence with the Government of Great Britain:

To wit:

CORRESPONDENCE ​

WITH THE
PALESTINE ARAB DELEGATION
AND THE
ZIONIST ORGANISATION.​

​

Presented to Parliament by Command of His Majesty.
JUNE, 1922.​

​

We, therefore, hold that the proposed constitution is wholly unsatisfactory, because:—

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  (a) In the preamble to the Palestine Order in Council "the declaration of November 2nd, 1917, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish People" is made a basis for this Order; the People of Palestine cannot accept this Declaration as a basis for discussion.​

​

- See more at: UK correspondence with Palestine Arab Delegation and Zionist Organization British policy in Palestine Churchill White Paper - UK documentation Cmd. 1700 Non-UN document excerpts 1 July 1922

 

[Phoenall]

Do you really understand the results of the DNA-Tests and the scientific lingo?

Jews are a mosaic of different races and people, like any other religious group.

A Reassessment of the Jewish DNA Evidence

And if you take two examples of genetic mosaics you can always find similar pieces in them

Can you get my drift?

Yes I do understand the results that show the true picture. And how they relate to the whole situation in Palestine. The fact that European and Ethiopian Jews share 95% of their Mitochondrial DNA with Jews from Palestine and the rest of the M.E. shows that they are very closely related. Then when the Mitochondrial DNA of arab muslims is tested for a match and the match comes in lower than the match for dogs, monkees and bananas it should set alarm bells ringing. These show that the arab muslims have no real ties to the land and are recent invaders that have never mixed with the true indigenous inhabitants of palestine

True. Among the indigenous Palestinians were JEWS. Not a land theiving Muslim Palestinian among them.

There were a "handful" of Arab Jews. Jews that had not converted to Christianity early on or when it became the state religion (Christianity) of the Romans or to Islam after the Byzantines were defeated and Palestine became ruled by Muslims. Or back to Christianity during the rule of the Europeans of Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem period (which lasted more than a century) or back to Islam after Saladin. The regular people, the masses stayed pretty much the same, only the leadership changed. That is, until the European Jews migrated to Palestine in great numbers, took the land and evicted the local people.

The land had been granted to them by the legal owners, and it was the arab muslims that were the invaders. Even your book written by committee says this to be the case as it details the illegal migration of arab muslims to Palestine looking for work when the crops failed in Syria and Egypt. The Jews had been Jews from before the Roman invasion and did as Maimonides did when he faked his conversion to islam and practised Judaism in secret.

You must mean the Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry who determined that Jews owned less than 5% of the land prior to partition, while the non-Jews owned more than 85% of the land. The committee was appointed by the U.S. and Great Britain with the following Terms of Reference. Note: this is part of Yale University's source documents on Palestine and part of the Avalon Project:

Avalon Project - Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry - Preface

Isn't it odd that these documents

"We were appointed by the Governments of the United States and of the United Kingdom, as a joint body of American and British membership, with the following Terms of Reference:

1. To examine political, economic and social conditions in Palestine as they bear upon the problem of Jewish immigration and settlement therein and the well-being of the peoples now living therein.

2. To examine the position of the Jews in those countries in Europe where they have been the victims of Nazi and Fascist persecution, and the practical measures taken or contemplated to be taken in those countries to enable them to live free from discrimination and oppression and to make estimates of those who wish or will be impelled by their conditions to migrate to Palestine or other countries outside Europe.

3. To hear the views of competent witnesses and to consult representative Arabs and Jews on the problems of Palestine as such problems are affected by conditions subject to examination under paragraphs 1 and 2 above and by other relevant facts and circumstances, and to make recommendations to His Majesty's Government and the Government of the United States for ad interim handling of these problems as well as for their permanent solution.

4. To make such other recommendations to His Majesty's Government and the Government of the United States as may be necessary to meet the immediate needs arising from conditions subject to examination under paragraph 2 above, by remedial action in the European countries in question or by the provision of facilities for emigration to and settlement in countries outside Europe.

The Governments urged upon us the need for the utmost expedition in dealing with the subjects committed to us for investigation, and requested to be furnished with our Report within one hundred and twenty days of the inception of our Inquiry."

Avalon Project - Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry - Preface

Read your cut and paste again and tell me what these two countries were doing trying to take over Palestine for themselves, and to stop all Jewish immigration contrary to CUSTOMARY INTERNATIONAL LAW ?

 

[montelatici]

What was contrary to your fictitious customary international law? The people of Palestine did not want to be evicted from their homeland by the migrating European Jews. That's why they didn't want Jewish immigration to their homeland. Nothing to do with any international law. People have the right to resist invasion and eventual eviction. Every one knew that the European Jews were planning a takeover.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Not according to DNA tests carried out that shows the Europeans Jews have a 95% match with the Jews from the M.E. At the same time they show less of a match with the arab muslims as low as 80%, when the arab muslims have a 85% match with dogs, monkeys and bananas

Do you really understand the results of the DNA-Tests and the scientific lingo?

Jews are a mosaic of different races and people, like any other religious group.

A Reassessment of the Jewish DNA Evidence

And if you take two examples of genetic mosaics you can always find similar pieces in them

Can you get my drift?

Yes I do understand the results that show the true picture. And how they relate to the whole situation in Palestine. The fact that European and Ethiopian Jews share 95% of their Mitochondrial DNA with Jews from Palestine and the rest of the M.E. shows that they are very closely related. Then when the Mitochondrial DNA of arab muslims is tested for a match and the match comes in lower than the match for dogs, monkees and bananas it should set alarm bells ringing. These show that the arab muslims have no real ties to the land and are recent invaders that have never mixed with the true indigenous inhabitants of palestine

True. Among the indigenous Palestinians were JEWS. Not a land theiving Muslim Palestinian among them.

There were a "handful" of Arab Jews. Jews that had not converted to Christianity early on or when it became the state religion (Christianity) of the Romans or to Islam after the Byzantines were defeated and Palestine became ruled by Muslims. Or back to Christianity during the rule of the Europeans of Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem period (which lasted more than a century) or back to Islam after Saladin. The regular people, the masses stayed pretty much the same, only the leadership changed. That is, until the European Jews migrated to Palestine in great numbers, took the land and evicted the local people.

The land had been granted to them by the legal owners, and it was the arab muslims that were the invaders. Even your book written by committee says this to be the case as it details the illegal migration of arab muslims to Palestine looking for work when the crops failed in Syria and Egypt. The Jews had been Jews from before the Roman invasion and did as Maimonides did when he faked his conversion to islam and practised Judaism in secret.

The land had been granted to them by the legal owners,​

Who were the legal owners and where is the treaty ceding that land to the Jews?

 

[montelatici]

The Jews owned less than 5% of the land anyway, It doesn't matter. More than 85% of the land was owned by the Christians and Muslims as late as 1946.

 

[Phoenall]

What was contrary to your fictitious customary international law? The people of Palestine did not want to be evicted from their homeland by the migrating European Jews. That's why they didn't want Jewish immigration to their homeland. Nothing to do with any international law. People have the right to resist invasion and eventual eviction. Every one knew that the European Jews were planning a takeover.

Their homeland was in Syria where they came from, as your link states quite clearly. They had no say in the matter because they had never owned more than 0.8% of the land, and that was about to be taken from them by the first group to declare independence under the Mandate for Palestine. It had everything to do with International law, as it passed inbto Customay International law that the land of Palestine was for the Jews to resurrect their National Home. The non Jews were invited to stay as full citizens on the proviso they did not engage in any violence. That lasted about 10 seconds and so they were evicted under International law ( the other option was to execute them on the spot ). Yes everyone is allowed to oppose invasion including the Jews who were given Palestinian citizenship under the LoN treaty while they where still out of the area. As your link showed the arab muslims migrated illegally to Palestine in their thousands when the crops failed in Syria and Egypt.
Just as everyone knows that the muslims are hell bent on world domination because it is a command of their religion. Just as it is also a command to KILL THE JEWS

 

[Phoenall]

Do you really understand the results of the DNA-Tests and the scientific lingo?

Jews are a mosaic of different races and people, like any other religious group.

A Reassessment of the Jewish DNA Evidence

And if you take two examples of genetic mosaics you can always find similar pieces in them

Can you get my drift?

Yes I do understand the results that show the true picture. And how they relate to the whole situation in Palestine. The fact that European and Ethiopian Jews share 95% of their Mitochondrial DNA with Jews from Palestine and the rest of the M.E. shows that they are very closely related. Then when the Mitochondrial DNA of arab muslims is tested for a match and the match comes in lower than the match for dogs, monkees and bananas it should set alarm bells ringing. These show that the arab muslims have no real ties to the land and are recent invaders that have never mixed with the true indigenous inhabitants of palestine

True. Among the indigenous Palestinians were JEWS. Not a land theiving Muslim Palestinian among them.

There were a "handful" of Arab Jews. Jews that had not converted to Christianity early on or when it became the state religion (Christianity) of the Romans or to Islam after the Byzantines were defeated and Palestine became ruled by Muslims. Or back to Christianity during the rule of the Europeans of Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem period (which lasted more than a century) or back to Islam after Saladin. The regular people, the masses stayed pretty much the same, only the leadership changed. That is, until the European Jews migrated to Palestine in great numbers, took the land and evicted the local people.

The land had been granted to them by the legal owners, and it was the arab muslims that were the invaders. Even your book written by committee says this to be the case as it details the illegal migration of arab muslims to Palestine looking for work when the crops failed in Syria and Egypt. The Jews had been Jews from before the Roman invasion and did as Maimonides did when he faked his conversion to islam and practised Judaism in secret.

The land had been granted to them by the legal owners,​

Who were the legal owners and where is the treaty ceding that land to the Jews?

The LoN who made two treaties The treaty of Sevres that paved the way and set the ball in motion. And then the treaty of Lausanne that put the icing on the cake. Then the Mandate for Palestine set out in clear words that Palestine was for the Jews to RESURECT THE JEWISH NATIONAL HOME


The Council of the League of Nations

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country ; and

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and

Whereas the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for approval; and

Whereas His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and

Whereas by the afore-mentioned Article 22 (paragraph 8), it is provided that the degree of authority, control or administration to be exercised by the Mandatory, not having been previously agreed upon by the Members of the League, shall be explicitly defined by the Council of the League of Nations;

Confirming the said mandate, defines its terms as follows:


This is not to be confused with the British Mandate which is a different beast altogether.

 

[Phoenall]

The Jews owned less than 5% of the land anyway, It doesn't matter. More than 85% of the land was owned by the Christians and Muslims as late as 1946.

Wrong the majority of the land was owned by the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, as the absentee Ottoman land owners lost it in 1919 when they lost the war. They were allowed to sell it on and the Jews under various groups bought it. The arab muslims declined as it meant paying taxes and facing conscription.

Read your own links that detail all this, so you cant say it is propaganda without saying the parts you use are also propaganda.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

I thought this story was interesting:

FOX News
Palestinian leader Abbas vouches to work for peace but skirts issue of Hamas
Published February 10, 2015 Associated Press

STOCKHOLM – Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas says he will work to revive peace talks with Israel but skirted questions on how to end the conflict or tackle violence by the Islamic militant group Hamas.

Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking has been on hold since the last round of U.S.-brokered talks collapsed a year ago, partly hampered by the gaps between Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Palestinian elections are long overdue, strained by the geographic and political split between Abbas and Hamas. In a jab at Hamas, Abbas said Tuesday that Palestinians must be able to decide "who should lead them and if they accept violence or not."​

Who should lead them? Great Question.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

I thought this story was interesting:

FOX News
Palestinian leader Abbas vouches to work for peace but skirts issue of Hamas
Published February 10, 2015 Associated Press

STOCKHOLM – Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas says he will work to revive peace talks with Israel but skirted questions on how to end the conflict or tackle violence by the Islamic militant group Hamas.

Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking has been on hold since the last round of U.S.-brokered talks collapsed a year ago, partly hampered by the gaps between Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Palestinian elections are long overdue, strained by the geographic and political split between Abbas and Hamas. In a jab at Hamas, Abbas said Tuesday that Palestinians must be able to decide "who should lead them and if they accept violence or not."​

Who should lead them? Great Question.

Most Respectfully,
R

The US fomented a coup against Palestine's last elected government. There have not been elections since. You can't blame the Palestinians for that.

Israel never stops its violence against the Palestinians no matter what they do or don't do. Why should the Palestinians stop theirs?

 

[MJB12741]

What was contrary to your fictitious customary international law? The people of Palestine did not want to be evicted from their homeland by the migrating European Jews. That's why they didn't want Jewish immigration to their homeland. Nothing to do with any international law. People have the right to resist invasion and eventual eviction. Every one knew that the European Jews were planning a takeover.

OMG! You mean the Palestinian people didn't want to be evicted from their homeland of Israel? I didn't know that. Amazing what we can learn here. So please tell us when did Israel's ancient land become this Palestinian land that Israel is now evicting them from?

 

[montelatici]

The Jews owned less than 5% of the land anyway, It doesn't matter. More than 85% of the land was owned by the Christians and Muslims as late as 1946.

Wrong the majority of the land was owned by the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE, as the absentee Ottoman land owners lost it in 1919 when they lost the war. They were allowed to sell it on and the Jews under various groups bought it. The arab muslims declined as it meant paying taxes and facing conscription.

Read your own links that detail all this, so you cant say it is propaganda without saying the parts you use are also propaganda.

Quit making things up. You just blather nonsense that you invent.

The facts are below in black and white. Jews owned less than 5% of the land as of the 1st of April 1943. No amount of blathering bullshit changes the facts. Jews owned 1,514,217 Dunums while non-Jews owned 24,670,455 Dunums. Form the Survey of Palestine Vol. 2 published by the U.S. Department of State (as Publication No. 2536) in the U.S. Available for download from various academic institution's source document archives including:

The Berman Jewish Policy Archive at NYU/Wagner Universities.

A Survey of Palestine Volume 2 Berman Jewish Policy Archive NYU Wagner

or direct access to the text at:

Yale University's Avalon project.

Avalon Project - Anglo-American Committee of Inquiry

 

[montelatici]

What was contrary to your fictitious customary international law? The people of Palestine did not want to be evicted from their homeland by the migrating European Jews. That's why they didn't want Jewish immigration to their homeland. Nothing to do with any international law. People have the right to resist invasion and eventual eviction. Every one knew that the European Jews were planning a takeover.

OMG! You mean the Palestinian people didn't want to be evicted from their homeland of Israel? I didn't know that. Amazing what we can learn here. So please tell us when did Israel's ancient land become this Palestinian land that Israel is now evicting them from?

Their homeland of Palestine had been their homeland for over 2000 years The European Jews had no connection to Palestine. They were Europeans, from another continent. Learn some geography.

 

[Hossfly]

What was contrary to your fictitious customary international law? The people of Palestine did not want to be evicted from their homeland by the migrating European Jews. That's why they didn't want Jewish immigration to their homeland. Nothing to do with any international law. People have the right to resist invasion and eventual eviction. Every one knew that the European Jews were planning a takeover.

OMG! You mean the Palestinian people didn't want to be evicted from their homeland of Israel? I didn't know that. Amazing what we can learn here. So please tell us when did Israel's ancient land become this Palestinian land that Israel is now evicting them from?

Their homeland of Palestine had been their homeland for over 2000 years The European Jews had no connection to Palestine. They were Europeans, from another continent. Learn some geography.

Tell that to Moses. And,Joshua said he saw neither hide nor hair of any Palestinians but if he had, he was under orders to slaughter the critters.

 

[montelatici]

Orders to slaughter the Caanites, Samaritans and other people already living in the area? What religion of peace is that?

 

[Hossfly]

Orders to slaughter the Caanites, Samaritans and other people already living in the area? What religion of peace is that?

I read it somewhere. Those were the old days.

 

[Phoenall]

et al,

I thought this story was interesting:

FOX News
Palestinian leader Abbas vouches to work for peace but skirts issue of Hamas
Published February 10, 2015 Associated Press

STOCKHOLM – Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas says he will work to revive peace talks with Israel but skirted questions on how to end the conflict or tackle violence by the Islamic militant group Hamas.

Israeli-Palestinian peacemaking has been on hold since the last round of U.S.-brokered talks collapsed a year ago, partly hampered by the gaps between Abbas and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

Palestinian elections are long overdue, strained by the geographic and political split between Abbas and Hamas. In a jab at Hamas, Abbas said Tuesday that Palestinians must be able to decide "who should lead them and if they accept violence or not."​

Who should lead them? Great Question.

Most Respectfully,
R

The US fomented a coup against Palestine's last elected government. There have not been elections since. You can't blame the Palestinians for that.

Israel never stops its violence against the Palestinians no matter what they do or don't do. Why should the Palestinians stop theirs?

The Palestinian violence against the Jews has been ongoing since Mohamed wiped out the tribe at Medina, so once again when did Israel start the violence ? or was it the muslims way back in the 7C

 

[Yarddog]

Let the truth be known to all.

Who Are The Palestinians What And Where Is Palestine

Youll never see that question on Jeopardy

 

[Phoenall]

Orders to slaughter the Caanites, Samaritans and other people already living in the area? What religion of peace is that?

Which was fairly common back then 4,500 years ago. Now the people you call Palestinians did not exist 1400 years ago until Mohamed invented them. Then they went on the rampage and stole the land of millions of indigenous peoples across the M.E and Africa. They fought wars and mass murdered people to gain what is now Palestine then promptly lost it a bare 22 years later. They never recovered ownership or control of the land ever again . So how in any intelligent persons book can the arab muslims claim that Palestine is their homeland when they have not been there for 1000 years and the ones there now are recent illegal immigrants chasing work when the crops failed in Syria and Egypt.

Try reading your own links sometime Abdul it is all in there about the illegal arab muslim immigration and land theft by your hero's.

 

[Challenger]

Yes I do understand the results that show the true picture. And how they relate to the whole situation in Palestine. The fact that European and Ethiopian Jews share 95% of their Mitochondrial DNA with Jews from Palestine and the rest of the M.E. shows that they are very closely related. Then when the Mitochondrial DNA of arab muslims is tested for a match and the match comes in lower than the match for dogs, monkees and bananas it should set alarm bells ringing. These show that the arab muslims have no real ties to the land and are recent invaders that have never mixed with the true indigenous inhabitants of palestine

True. Among the indigenous Palestinians were JEWS. Not a land theiving Muslim Palestinian among them.

There were a "handful" of Arab Jews. Jews that had not converted to Christianity early on or when it became the state religion (Christianity) of the Romans or to Islam after the Byzantines were defeated and Palestine became ruled by Muslims. Or back to Christianity during the rule of the Europeans of Latin Kingdom of Jerusalem period (which lasted more than a century) or back to Islam after Saladin. The regular people, the masses stayed pretty much the same, only the leadership changed. That is, until the European Jews migrated to Palestine in great numbers, took the land and evicted the local people.

The land had been granted to them by the legal owners, and it was the arab muslims that were the invaders. Even your book written by committee says this to be the case as it details the illegal migration of arab muslims to Palestine looking for work when the crops failed in Syria and Egypt. The Jews had been Jews from before the Roman invasion and did as Maimonides did when he faked his conversion to islam and practised Judaism in secret.

What utter drivel, more baloney from Phoney

Look it all up if you like, it is detailed in every history book that is UNBIASED

Oh, please, stop, my ribs won't take any more.