Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians: What would you do if you were Israel with Gaza rockets?​

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinians: What would you do if you were Israel with Gaza rockets?​

Palestinians pre Mandate did not fight, ask for help or anything to get rid of the Ottoman occupation. But they never deal with that.

Palestinians, post 1948, were very patient and did not fight or build rockets to free themselves from Egypt in Gaza, or the Jordanians in Judea and Samaria. But they never deal with that.

Palestinians defile the Temple Mount on a daily basis.

Most of today's Palestinians came into Palestine from the 1890s on from other countries.

Palestinians saw only themselves as Arabs, and Bedouins before the Mandate for Palestine

Palestine was never a country, it was never the Arab's "country". It was an Islamic conquest.

Hamas is destroying homes of people in Gaza to take the land for themselves. Where is the Palestinian protest?

There is no money for bomb shelters in Gaza? Hamas does not want to build them, so that Israeli rockets will kill more people. Nice Hamas.

Some of these Palestinians cannot even deal with Hamas and others firing rockets just to kill people in Israel, which has happened many times.

These Palestinians have no idea of the resources in Gaza, or that Egypt also keeps the ones in Gaza oppressed.

Worst of all. Most of these Palestinians do not know Jewish History and do not know that the Jews and Israelis are the Indigenous people of that land, and not the Arabs, aka Palestinians.

When people are duped into believing that something is theirs, and only theirs, and that the Jews, especially the Jews, are coming to kill you and take your property, it creates the conflict that we continue to see since 1920.

And it is mostly Jews who were ethnically cleansed from their homes and lost their lives from 1920 to 1948 due to Al Husseini's incitement against the Jews. But they do not know the history, nor do they care to learn.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Despite the PA's official disapproval of Arabs working in Judea and Samaria, historically they have had to admit that they cannot offer an alternative to employment in the settlements. Already in 2011, Shahar Saad, Secretary-General of the Palestinian Workers' Union

For Israel, creating jobs and providing employment for Palestinian Arabs makes sense, though the motivation differs between creating jobs for West Bank Arabs and Arabs from Gaza.

Last year, The Times of Israel reported that Israel was distributing 16,000 new work permits, in an effort to support the Palestinian economy which faced reduced international aid and a difficult year due to the pandemic. But more than shoring up Abbas,

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This would explain Sinwar's change in tactics, from inciting Gazans against Israel to inciting Arabs in Israel, claiming that Hamas is the defender of Al Aqsa and calling on them to attack Jews in order to defend it.

But Gazan employment in Israel is apparently not the only source of pressure on Sinwar.

Last week, Hamas announced that the health of one of the 2 Israeli hostages it holds is in danger. The terrorist group is trying to use them as bargaining chips to gain the release of terrorists and the periodic updates about their health is psychological manipulation towards that end. However, both of them suffer from mental illness, and because of the sympathy that creates, the Hamas exploitation of the hostages is not getting the leaders the response they expected.

And that is another problem for Sinwar:
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When it was first suggested that Hamas should be included in the 2007 elections in Gaza, it was suggested that having the responsibilities of government would have "a moderating influence" on the terrorist group. The current situation is not a confirmation of that suggestion. The issue of Gazans working in Israel is not a moderating influence -- it is pressure applied by Israel on Sinwar to maintain calm in order to protect his position and stay in power, even as he tries to take credit for this boost to the economy. His "campaign promise" to his fellow terrorists, on the other hand, applies pressure on Sinwar to foment violence.

Al-Monitor claims that Israel is in fact taking a degree of risk every time it takes steps to either create new jobs for Palestinian Arabs or distributes additional work permits. According to this view, these workers could potentially be recruited to carry out attacks inside Israel. Such concerns are all the more credible in light of the violence we have seen Hamas instigate.

For years, Hamas terrorist leaders have been exploiting Gazans as human shields for protection in order to evade the consequences of their actions. Yet, regardless of how they feel about Israel, Gazans are practical enough to work there in order to make a living -- and they expect Sinwar and the other Hamas leaders not to mess up their opportunity to support their families, something that Hamas on its own is consistently failing to do.

(full article online)

Hamas Understands Israel Has A Means Of Deterrence That May Be Even Stronger Than Iron Dome (Daled Amos)

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

 

[P F Tinmore]

Despite the PA's official disapproval of Arabs working in Judea and Samaria, historically they have had to admit that they cannot offer an alternative to employment in the settlements. Already in 2011, Shahar Saad, Secretary-General of the Palestinian Workers' Union

For Israel, creating jobs and providing employment for Palestinian Arabs makes sense, though the motivation differs between creating jobs for West Bank Arabs and Arabs from Gaza.

Last year, The Times of Israel reported that Israel was distributing 16,000 new work permits, in an effort to support the Palestinian economy which faced reduced international aid and a difficult year due to the pandemic. But more than shoring up Abbas,

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This would explain Sinwar's change in tactics, from inciting Gazans against Israel to inciting Arabs in Israel, claiming that Hamas is the defender of Al Aqsa and calling on them to attack Jews in order to defend it.

But Gazan employment in Israel is apparently not the only source of pressure on Sinwar.

Last week, Hamas announced that the health of one of the 2 Israeli hostages it holds is in danger. The terrorist group is trying to use them as bargaining chips to gain the release of terrorists and the periodic updates about their health is psychological manipulation towards that end. However, both of them suffer from mental illness, and because of the sympathy that creates, the Hamas exploitation of the hostages is not getting the leaders the response they expected.

And that is another problem for Sinwar:
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When it was first suggested that Hamas should be included in the 2007 elections in Gaza, it was suggested that having the responsibilities of government would have "a moderating influence" on the terrorist group. The current situation is not a confirmation of that suggestion. The issue of Gazans working in Israel is not a moderating influence -- it is pressure applied by Israel on Sinwar to maintain calm in order to protect his position and stay in power, even as he tries to take credit for this boost to the economy. His "campaign promise" to his fellow terrorists, on the other hand, applies pressure on Sinwar to foment violence.

Al-Monitor claims that Israel is in fact taking a degree of risk every time it takes steps to either create new jobs for Palestinian Arabs or distributes additional work permits. According to this view, these workers could potentially be recruited to carry out attacks inside Israel. Such concerns are all the more credible in light of the violence we have seen Hamas instigate.

For years, Hamas terrorist leaders have been exploiting Gazans as human shields for protection in order to evade the consequences of their actions. Yet, regardless of how they feel about Israel, Gazans are practical enough to work there in order to make a living -- and they expect Sinwar and the other Hamas leaders not to mess up their opportunity to support their families, something that Hamas on its own is consistently failing to do.

(full article online)

Hamas Understands Israel Has A Means Of Deterrence That May Be Even Stronger Than Iron Dome (Daled Amos)

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

elderofziyon.blogspot.com

Why would anyone need to work in Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why would anyone need to work in Israel?

You are not seriously asking that question to unemployed Palestinians, are you?

Do you see Egypt offering jobs for them?

 

[P F Tinmore]

You are not seriously asking that question to unemployed Palestinians, are you?

Do you see Egypt offering jobs for them?

I don't see Egypt bombing their factories and destroying their crops.

 

[Sixties Fan]

I don't see Egypt bombing their factories and destroying their crops.

Egypt put a very deep wall to keep their tunnels out. Egypt does not give a darn about the people in Gaza, as proven when they abandoned it after they lost the war in 1967.

But then, not Lebanon, not Syria, not Morocco, not Libya, etc. Not one other country offering the Palestinians of Gaza and Judea and Samaria a decent job for their livelihood.

They need jobs to feed their families. Jobs Hamas and the PA refuse to create.

Do you want those families to starve?

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[Sixties Fan]

 

[P F Tinmore]

Egypt put a very deep wall to keep their tunnels out. Egypt does not give a darn about the people in Gaza, as proven when they abandoned it after they lost the war in 1967.

Sisi is a coup dictator who gets billions from the US.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Sisi is a coup dictator who gets billions from the US.

Don't change the subject. Why do none of the other Muslim countries give jobs to the Palestinians in Gaza or Judea and Samaria?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Don't change the subject. Why do none of the other Muslim countries give jobs to the Palestinians in Gaza or Judea and Samaria?

Why is it their job to clean up after Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why is it their job to clean up after Israel?

What could be the reason why you did not answer my question?

Isn't it a Muslim Nation?

Isn't it an Arab Nation?


Where is the neighborly, brotherly love from one Arab to another? What does it cost to give the ones who do not have much, a job to help them feed their families?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Al Awda Video Quilt​

 

[Sixties Fan]

Al Awda Video Quilt​

They left their villages at the command of their Arab leaders. Proof? The ones in the North stayed at the urge of the Israelis.

Jews are indigenous to the land of Palestine. The Arabs are the invaders since the 7th century. They do know that.

ONLY the people who left at their leaders urging can be called refugees, not the next generations, regardless of what the ones who want to destroy Israel say.
It means that about 20,000 only, are eligible to return, as long as they are not a threat to Israel and its populations.

Time to undo UWRA and let those people go on with their lives and have decent and peaceful lives wherever they want to live.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Palestinians: If you received a foreign passport, would you leave Palestine?​

 

[Hollie]

Why is it their job to clean up after Israel?

Good god you're an ass.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Palestinians: If you received a foreign passport, would you leave Palestine?​

Those are the Palestinians who have a good life. Not only out via Israel, but out via Egypt.


But for those in Gaza and Judea and Samaria who are not so lucky, this is their reality:

For over a decade, the Gaza Strip — controlled by the Islamist militant group Hamas, blockaded by its neighbors, difficult to leave — has amounted to an experiment in human isolation.

Now there is a new escape route. Egypt suddenly opened its border with Gaza in May 2018, and, facing increasingly unbearable living conditions, tens of thousands of Gazans are believed to have crossed that border and scattered across the world, in the latest chapter in a mass exodus of migrants out of the troubled Middle East.

"I didn't find my future here," says Zeid al Kurdi, 25, at the Gaza-Egypt border with just a backpack and small rolling suitcase.

He grew up in a refugee camp and, like most Gazans, relied on United Nations food rations. His family's house was destroyed in an Israeli airstrike in 2008, during the first of three wars that Hamas and Israel have fought, and his father went broke paying off a loan to rebuild it.

 

[Hollie]

Islamic terrorism lives and breathes on the recruitment and grooming of children who the pallys use as cannon fodder.

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ They never cared about "Palestine" before WWI. They did not care about being Palestinians before Israel became Independent. And it took till 1964 for Arafat to adopt the nationality. He means " Palestine belongs to Islam, from the river to the sea . The hypocrisy and hatred for Jews is very visible ]


In a recent speech, a top PA official made it clear that the PA and Fatah are dishonest when they tell Israel and the international community that they want to live side by side with Israel and “only” aspire to a Palestinian state in the “1967 borders.”

Addressing a conference in Jenin, the region’s District Governor Akram Rajoub instructed Palestinians to teach their children that “Palestine” is exclusively for “the Palestinians.” He stressed that the message to “be sown in the minds of children” is that “Palestine” stretches “from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.” Rajoub further clarified that while the Palestinians may have “agreed” to a “Palestine” in the “1967 borders,” what they really believe is that the entire area “belongs to the Palestinians”:

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Rajoub’s remarks are in stark contrast to a recent statement by PA and Fatah Chairman Mahmoud Abbas. Speaking to EU Representative to the PA Sven Kuhn von Bergsdorff and other ambassadors and representatives of European countries at the signing of a €224 million financing agreement for the year 2021, Abbas first mentioned that “Europe recognizes the vision of the two-state solution on the 1967 borders.” He then defined the PA’s desired “Palestine” as only 22% of “historic Palestine,” before upping the ante to 45%. He mentioned that he had also made this clear to “the American envoys.” His message to the international community: The Palestinians will be content with part of “historic Palestine”:


(full article online)

PA message to kids: “Palestine belongs to the Palestinians from the river to the sea” | PMW Analysis

PA message to kids: “Palestine belongs to the Palestinians from the river to the sea”

palwatch.org