Who Are The Palestinians " III "

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Notably absent from these articles is any acknowledgment that the reason peace between Israel and the Palestinians has been so elusive is the more than seven decades of intransigence and rejectionism that have characterized the Palestinian leadership.

So in the spirit of giving the whole picture, here is a brief reminder of the many peace deals that Palestinians have spurned over the years.

That is a lie.
Never has anyone ever offered Palestine any sort of practical deal at all, and it has always been clear that Israel's goal has always been invasion and genocide.

You are forgetting that the claim Israel was attacked by Arab countries in 1948, is a lie.
The reality is Menachim Begin, with Irgun, Stern, an Lehi, were massacring hundreds of native villages in 1948, and that is why the neighboring countries had to try to intervene to stop the murder.

Why else did Menachim Begin gun down the UN moderator, Folke Bernadotte, and murder the British peacekeepers by blowing up the King David hotel?
Why did Menachim Begin's terrorist massacre native villages like Deir Yassin?

A valid deal would have included the "right of return" to native who fled Menachim Begin's terrorist attacks. Without that, there is no deal because then you are rewarding all those murders, by letting the murderers confiscate the land of owned by their victims.

 

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The Original ‘No’​

It is important to remember that Palestinian rejectionism actually dates back to the very inception of the Palestinian people as a distinct entity. The grand mufti of Jerusalem Hajj Amin Husseini, a Nazi collaborator who led the Arab population in what was then the British Mandate of Palestine, warned the British that “most residents of Jewish lands” would not be given citizenship in a future Arab state and said all Jews would be expelled.

He made the comments during testimony before the Peel Commission, which had been established in 1936 in response to an Arab revolt and frequent Arab violence against Jews. In 1937, the Peel Commission recommended a partition of the land into a Jewish state and an Arab state, separated by an international zone.

More lies.
The grand Mufti of Jerusalem represented no one, and was appointed by the British.
Palestine supported the Allies in both WWI and WWII.
Jews were always living peacefully in Palestine and there was never any conflict between Jews and Moslems in Palestine.

The violence between Jewish immigrants and Moslem natives was always caused by the Jewish immigrants. Like the Hebron riots of 1929 were started by a Jewish immigrant shot and killed a native strawberry vendor, over price.

 

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No, it's not. There was never any sovereign pally territory.

You shouldn't expect others to share your denial of reality.

That is a total lie.
The sovereignty of Palestine as absolutely established beyond any possible doubt, by the Treaty of San Remo and the Treaty of Sevres in 1920.
The boundaries were the territory always known as Palestine for over 4000 years, from the Jordan River to the Mediterranean.

The whole point of the British mandate was to help Palestine create the administrative bureaucracy necessary for any independent sovereign state.
That is what the word "mandate" means.
It means "obligation", owed by Britain to the Palestinians, for helping Lawrence of Arabia beat the Ottoman Empire.

 

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Who Will Call for Justice?​

Indeed, thousands of Palestinian youths have over the past years been sent to “summer camps” where they receive military training by members of Hamas, Islamic Jihad and other Gaza-based, U.S.-designated terror groups. Some of the participants are as young as ten years old.

But rather than draw attention to Hamas’ transformation of children into soldiers, journalists have ignored the war crime and some, inexplicably, have tried to place the blame on Israel.

On July 11, Palestinian Media Watch (PMW) exposed that the Palestinian Authority’s security forces, in cooperation with President Abbas’ Fatah party, also offer military training to children from the age of seven and up. A video posted to a Fatah Facebook page explains that, in the “army camp,” kids “wear soldiers’ uniforms, eat their food, and are trained in military order and discipline.’”

“Our battle with the sons of dogs [i.e., Israelis] is long, and we need a young generation,” the video says, while showing minors disassembling and assembling weapons. Through chants, young participants of the PA camps are taught to admire Dalal Mughrabi, the PLO terrorist who led one of the most deadly terror attacks against Israeli citizens, a 1978 bus hijacking in which armed Palestinians slaughtered 38 Israelis, including 13 children.



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AP Tars Israel, While Whitewashing Palestinian Crimes Against Children | United with Israel

As Biden meets with the terror-supporting rulers in Ramallah, who will call for justice?

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Another lie.
Palestine has been almost totally invaded and taken over by Israel.
Only 15% of Palestine is allowed to be occupied by the Palestinians, and that is heavily blockaded from being able to conduct any trade with the outside. So it is nearly impossible for them to have weapons, and any claim of a significant military force is just a lie.
The Ottoman Empire prevented them from being armed, the British kept them unarmed, the US armed the Zionist immigrants but never armed the Palestinians.
And now Israel not only prevent the Palestinians from having arms, but food, farms, pastures, and even water is denied to them.

 

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At the end of President Biden's visit to Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas in Bethlehem, they both issued statements.

And Abbas' statement included explicit Jew-hatred.

According to the official Palestinian Wafa news agency:

He told the American president that the holiest site in Judaism should be Judenfrei.

Slightly less explicitly but no less clearly, Abbas also insisted that all of the Old City be empty of Jews as well. When he refers to the "historical situation" of the holy sites in Jerusalem under Hashemite rule he means the situation between 1949 and 1967, when Jordan controlled the Old City - and not one Jew was allowed to visit.

Not Israelis, but Jews. Jordan banned Jews from any country to visit the Old City as well as the rest of Judea and Samaria.

Mahmoud Abbas publicly told the US President that the holiest city in Judaism should be off limits to Jews.

This pure antisemitism will be roundly ignored in the international media. Because the English version of the story in Wafa didn't include any of this part of his statement.

UPDATE: Abbas also said that all of Israel is "occupied Palestinian land." In his speech, according to YNet, he said, "After 74 years, isn't it time for occupation to end?"

The US should strongly condemn these words that insult not only Israel but the US itself.

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Abbas statement to Biden: Stop all Jews from visiting the Temple Mount, and keep the old city of Jerusalem Judenrein

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Total lies.
The Jordanians expelled the Jews from the Old Quarter of Jerusalem because they took up arms and rebelled in 1948, in violation of the UN partition plan.

And there are no "holy sites" for Jews anywhere in Palestine.
No one knows where the first or second temples of Solomon were, or even if they ever existed at all.
They certainly are not on the Temple Mount, which was built around 650 AD on vacant and baren land.
Even the Wailing Wall is totally a fake and a lie because it is obviously Canaanite construction from the extra large masonry used, and has been dated to at least 1000 years before the Hebrew invasion around 1000 BC.

 

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Origins​

Palestinian citizenship developed during the 20th century, starting during the British Mandate era and in different form following the Oslo Peace process, with the former British Mandate definition (before 1925)[1] including the Jews of Palestine and the Arabs of Jordan, and the latter excluding the Arabs of Jordan (at this point part of the sovereign country of Jordan). There has never been a sovereign Palestinian authority that explicitly defined who is a Palestinian, but the term evolved from a geographic description of citizenship to a description of geographic citizenship with an Arab ethnicity.

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On the expiration of the British Mandate, the Mandate Palestinian nationality law ceased to apply. This meant that those who held Mandatory Palestinian citizenship had no citizenship under the law of any country, and the normal rights of citizenship depended on which country each person found themselves after the 1948 Arab–Israeli War. For Palestinian Arabs, this also depended on whether they were categorised as refugees in those countries. For example, Palestinians found themselves being categorised as Israeli-Palestinians, Jordanian-Palestinians, United Nations Relief and Works AgencyPalestinians, and Gaza Palestinians, or Palestinians of another country.[5]


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History of Palestinian nationality - Wikipedia

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Ridiculous lie.
The country of Palestine had to be created first by the WWI treaties, BEFORE you could have a mandate for the British to help and protect them.
So when the British mandate for Palestine expired, that does not at all effect or change Palestine in any way, except that their protector and administrator was gone.
So the Zionist felt free to attempt total genocide, murdering tens of thousands of natives.

Look it up, it is documented by Albert Einstein, who happened to be in Jerusalem to consider the position of president of Israel.
He saw the survivors of the massacre of Deir Yassin being paraded in Jerusalem before being murdered and wrote this letter to the NY Times.

Albert Einstein Letter to The New York Times. December 4, 1948 New Palestine Party. Visit of Menachen Begin and Aims of Political Movement Discussed : Albert Einstein, Hannah Arendt, Sidney Hook, et.al. : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive

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Before irreparable damage is done by way of financial contributions, public manifestations in Begin's behalf, and the creation in Palestine of the impression that a large segment of America supports Fascist elements in Israel, the American public must be informed as to the record and objectives of Mr. Begin and his movement.
The public avowals of Begin's party are no guide whatever to its actual character. Today they speak of freedom, democracy and anti-imperialism, whereas until recently they openly preached the doctrine of the Fascist state. It is in its actions that the terrorist party betrays its real character; from its past actions we can judge what it may be expected to do in the future.

Attack on Arab Village
A shocking example was their behavior in the Arab village of Deir Yassin. This village, off the main roads and surrounded by Jewish lands, had taken no part in the war, and had even fought off Arab bands who wanted to use the village as their base. On April 9 (THE NEW YORK TIMES), terrorist bands attacked this peaceful village, which was not a military objective in the fighting, killed most of its inhabitants (240 men, women, and children) and kept a few of them alive to parade as captives through the streets of Jerusalem. Most of the Jewish community was horrified at the deed, and the Jewish Agency sent a telegram of apology to King Abdullah of Trans-Jordan. But the terrorists, far from being ashamed of their act, were proud of this massacre, publicized it widely, and invited all the foreign correspondents present in the country to view the heaped corpses and the general havoc at Deir Yassin.
The Deir Yassin incident exemplifies the character and actions of the Freedom Party.
Within the Jewish community they have preached an admixture of ultranationalism, religious mysticism, and racial superiority. Like other Fascist parties they have been used to break strikes, and have themselves pressed for the destruction of free trade unions. In their stead they have proposed corporate unions on the Italian Fascist model.
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It is time for the Muslim occupation to end. It has been going on since the 7th Century.

Another lie.
The Palestinians are and always were the natives, going back over 10,000 years.
Jericho was the first recorded metropolis ever, and was Canaanite Arabs.
The Hebrew did not invade the Land of Canaan until around 1000 BC, and were defeated and kicked out by the Assyrians by 850 BC or so.
The Hebrew were never native, significant in number, or have any effect on the history of the region.
They left not a single trace.

The Moslems of Palestine are not at all occupiers, but simply converted like almost all Arabs did.

 

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When speaking about the Middle East, it is common to hear about the “need” and “desire” for Palestinian statehood. But exactly what kind of state do the Palestinians want and what are the roots of Palestinian nationalism?

Historically, the Palestinian “desire for statehood” and “need for liberation” was invented in large part by the Soviet Union. It is no coincidence that the blueprint for the PLO Charter was drafted in Moscow in 1964 and was approved by 422 Palestinian representative hand selected by the KGB. At that time, the USSR was in the business of creating people’s liberation fronts. The KGB founded the PLO as well as the National Liberation Army of Bolivia (1964) with Ernesto “Che” Guevara at its head and the National Liberation Army of Colombia (1965).

These “liberation fronts” were seen by the USSR as centers of Marxist indoctrination and opposition to democratic and capitalist movements. In the Middle East, the only foothold of the democratic west is Israel; nurturing the PLO to undermine Israel was therefore quite natural for the Soviets, who not only helped fund and establish the PLO but also trained and supplied its terrorist operations.

To understand the PLO’s conception of a Palestinian state, it is instructive to examine Article 24 of the original PLO Charter. It reads: “this Organization [the PLO] does not exercise any regional sovereignty over the West Bank in the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, in the Gaza Strip or the Himmah area.” If not the West Bank and Gaza, then what exactly what did, the PLO claim? The Palestine that the PLO wanted was in fact the State of Israel.

Consider that it was not until 1968 that Article 24 was amended to include a claim on the West Bank and Gaza. At the time of the original drafting, Jordan and Egypt controlled the West Bank and Gaza after unilaterally and illegally annexing them following the War of Israeli Independence in 1948. It was only after Israel had gained these territories in the War of 1967 that the Palestinian Arabs declared an interest in controlling them.

The evidence that simple autonomy in the West Bank and Gaza was never the PLO’s true goal is everywhere. In 1970, US Secretary of State William Rogers suggested that the West Bank and Gaza be given up by Israel in return for peace and recognition. This plan was accepted by Israel, Jordan, and Egypt. Only Yasser Arafat, leader of the PLO, rejected it, opting instead to attempt an overthrow of Jordan’s King Hussein.

The evidence runs deeper. Yassir Arafat, who was head of the PLO until 2004, was under the direct tutelage and control of the KGB. Ion Mihai Pacepa, KGB officer and onetime chief of Romanian Intelligence, was assigned to handling Arafat. Pacepa recorded several of his conversations with Arafat when they met in Romania at the palace of brutal dictators Nicolai and Elena Ceausescu. In these conversations, Arafat unequivocally states that his sole aim is to destroy Israel.

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The Deception of Palestinian Nationalism

When speaking about the Middle East, it is common to hear about the “need” and “desire” for Palestinian statehood. But exactly what kind of state do the Palestinians want and what are the roots of Palestinian nationalism? Historically, the Palestinian “desire for statehood” and “need for...

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Ridiculous lie.
Russia never had any connection to Palestine at all.
If they had, then maybe the Palestinians would have had some real weapons, like the B-17 bombers and M-4 Sherman tanks the US illegally gave to the Zionists in 1948.

 

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I do not know if there was a " Who are the Palestinians 1" , as # 2 was definitely NOT about Who They Are, as the first post shows.

So, let us continue with our number "III", #2 has too many pages already, to discuss who those who call themselves Palestinians are, what their history, ideologies, dreams, goals, motives, etc are.

Are the leaders of the Palestinians actually working for a Palestinian State?
Are the leaders of the Palestinians actually taking care of their People?
Are the leaders of the Palestinians educating their populations for a future peace with Israel?
What is the difference in lifestyle between the Palestinians in Gaza and the PA ?
What is the difference in lifestyle between the poor and the rich in both places?
Does one have to belong to a certain clan in order to have a better life?
Does one have to be pro Hamas or the PA in order to have a better life?
Are all who live in Gaza and the PA civilians?
Do all Palestinians approve of their leaders?
What does the common Palestinian want?
Do Palestinians care if they work in Gaza or the PA, or are they willing to work in Israel, as they did before the Intifada?
How does the common Palestinian actually feel about Israel? Will they work there, seek health care or education in Israel if they can?

What is the role of UNWRA in the education of these populations? What do they teach? Are they involved with any other refugees?

What is the role of UNWRA, period, as there are fewer and fewer refugees from the 1948 war. Will there be a time when it could be dismantled?


So, many questions, and there are many more.
All the questions and answers do come out in the news, daily.

Now, discuss.

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Following proof that Hamas have been faking their casualty numbers, they have now basically admitted to it – at least to their own followers.

Via the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD):

The Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health said on April 6 that it had “incomplete data” for 11,371 of the 33,091 Palestinian fatalities it claims to have documented. In a statistical report, the ministry notes that it considers an individual record to be incomplete if it is missing any of the following key data points: identity number, full name, date of birth, or date of death. The health ministry also released a report on April 3 that acknowledged the presence of incomplete data but did not define what it meant by “incomplete.” In that earlier report, the ministry acknowledged the incompleteness of 12,263 records. It is unclear why, after just three more days, the number fell to 11,371 — a decrease of more than 900 records.
Prior to its admissions of incomplete data, the health ministry asserted that the information in more than 15,000 fatality records had stemmed from “reliable media sources.” However, the ministry never identified the sources in question and Gaza has no independent media.

Hamas Admit Their Casualty Statistics Are Inaccurate

Following proof that Hamas have been faking their casualty numbers, they have now basically admitted to it - at least to their own followers.

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