Who Are The Palestinians " III "

[P F Tinmore]

Palestine is still there. The Palestinians are still the nationals of their defined territory. That status brings them certain rights as enshrined in international law.

Subsequent UN Resolutions state that the Palestinian people in Palestine have the right to:

Self determination without external interference.
Independence and sovereignty.
Territorial integrity.

With this in mind, this is an excellent read.

A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - UN Documents: Gathering a body of global agreements

A/RES/25/2625 - Declaration on Principles of International Law concerning Friendly Relations and Co-operation among States in accordance with the Charter of the United Nations - an element of the body of UN Documents for earth stewardship and international decades for a culture of peace and...

un-documents.net

 

[Sixties Fan]

This morning, ahead of a planned press conference at the Watan Media Network in Ramallah, Palestinian security services in plainclothes stormed in and shut it down.

According to Watan, the security forces, some of whom were armed, tried to expel a number of journalists who were present to cover the press conference. They also attacked Watan employees when they objected to the intrusion, which they say was done without a written order.

The press conference was going to include criticism of the Palestinian Authority for working with the US in trying to calm down tensions, as well as for not working to hold elections.

Since this is a dog-bites-man story, don't expect to see any op-eds decrying the lack of freedoms under Palestinian rule.

Freedom of the Press, Palestinian style

Blogging about Israel and the Arab world since, oh, forever.

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[Sixties Fan]

March 1, 2023, is the 50th anniversary of a Palestinian terrorist attack in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. One could say that it was actually a Palestinian terrorist attack on Saudi soil since the target was the Saudi Embassy in the Sudanese capital.

The group was Black September, by this time notorious for the 1972 attack on Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. Earlier still, in November 1971, Black September had assassinated the Jordanian Prime Minister Wasfi Al-Tal in the lobby of the Cairo Sheraton. One of the Palestinian hitmen had notoriously bent down and licked the blood on the marble floor after that shooting.

The March 1, 1973 attack in Sudan targeted a reception held by the Saudi ambassador in honor of a departing American diplomatic colleague, George Curtis Moore, who was the American Deputy Chief of Mission (DCM). Ten hostages were taken by the gunmen, six of them were Saudis: the ambassador, his wife, and four children. The other four were two Americans, newly arrived Ambassador Cleo A. Noel, Jr. and Moore, Belgian Charge d'Affaires Guy Eid, and the Jordanian Charge d'Affaires Adli Al-Nasser.[1]

As some may remember, after making grandiose hostage demands (including calling for the release of members of the German Baader-Meinhof gang, Robert F. Kennedy assassin Sirhan Sirhan, plus many Palestinian detainees in Israel and Jordan), the eight gunmen surrendered to Sudanese authorities days later. Before surrendering they had killed the Belgian and the two American diplomats. Before their murder, they were allowed to write farewell messages (written on Saudi Embassy stationary) to their families. Moore wrote: "Cleo and I will die bravely and without tears as men should."


(full article online)

When Palestinian Terror Struck Khartoum

March 1, 2023, is the 50th anniversary of a Palestinian terrorist attack in Khartoum, the capital of Sudan. One could say that it was actually a Palestinian terrorist attack on Saudi soil since the target was the Saudi Embassy in the Sudanese capital. The group was Black September, by this time...

www.memri.org

 

[Hollie]

This is a continuing sick joke when the US talking heads call for Islamic terrorists to stop committing acts of Islamic terrorism and we then reward these Islamic terrorists with more welfare money.

US condemns Abbas’s call for Palestinian forces to ‘confront’ Israeli military - JNS.org

“We call on the Palestinian Authority, including President Abbas, to clearly condemn terrorism against Israelis and terrorism in all its forms,” said U.S. State Department spokesman Ned Price.

www.jns.org

 

[Lisa558]

This is a continuing sick joke when the US talking heads call for Islamic terrorists to stop committing acts of Islamic terrorism and we then reward these Islamic terrorists with more welfare money.

US condemns Abbas’s call for Palestinian forces to ‘confront’ Israeli military - JNS.org

“We call on the Palestinian Authority, including President Abbas, to clearly condemn terrorism against Israelis and terrorism in all its forms,” said U.S. State Department spokesman Ned Price.

www.jns.org

Trump had cut off the money spigot to the Palestinians because he knew HAMAS was taking it to launch rockets into Israel. One of the first thing Biden did as president was restore the funding.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC:
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are still not paying attention.

Your pretzel logic is astounding.

Where does it say the citizenship would expire at the end of the Mandate? Hmmm?

Palestine is still there. The Palestinians are still the nationals of their defined territory. That status brings them certain rights as enshrined in international law.

(COMMENT)

The Citizenship Order, issued by the British Government, was establishing the protocols and procedures for the Arab Palestinians to be granted citizenship in the Mandate Government of Palestine. This is the government that the Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to have anything to do with. Thus, "From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials."

Consequently, when the Mandate dissolved, so did the administration maintaining the Government of Palestine. The UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) was set to continue the Government of Palestine, however, at the outbreak of hostilities, the UNPC was terminated (sine die) and never reestablished because the Jordanians and Egyptians have total control over the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel had the remainder.

So, at that point, under the four (4) Armistice Agreements of 1949, the Arab Coalition made no provision for the continuation of the Government of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC:
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

You are still not paying attention.


(COMMENT)

The Citizenship Order, issued by the British Government, was establishing the protocols and procedures for the Arab Palestinians to be granted citizenship in the Mandate Government of Palestine. This is the government that the Arab Palestinians absolutely refused to have anything to do with. Thus, "From 1922 until the present day, the High Commissioner has governed Palestine with the aid of Councils consisting exclusively of British officials."

Consequently, when the Mandate dissolved, so did the administration maintaining the Government of Palestine. The UN Palestine Commission (UNPC) was set to continue the Government of Palestine, however, at the outbreak of hostilities, the UNPC was terminated (sine die) and never reestablished because the Jordanians and Egyptians have total control over the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel had the remainder.

So, at that point, under the four (4) Armistice Agreements of 1949, the Arab Coalition made no provision for the continuation of the Government of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

There you go with that government thing again. The rights of a people do not require a government.

 

[P F Tinmore]

the Jordanians and Egyptians have total control over the West Bank and Gaza Strip. Israel had the remainder.

Like I said. Three areas of occupation.

 

[Hollie]

Like I said. Three areas of occupation.

There was no occupation.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore said:





Yet you are always deficient at identifying any territory held by the "Pal'istanians" as sovereign, because there wasn't (and isn't), any.

Occupying territory, as the pallys do now, does not make that occupied territory anything more than... here it comes... occupied territory.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians " III "
SUBTOPIC:
※→ P F Tinmore, et al,

When you take about the Rights of the HoAP → you are NOT talking about "Civil" and "Political" Rights (are you)?

◈ Negative Rights requires action (the Palestinians must build a nation) ​

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◈ Positive Rights requires inaction (a nation is NOT an entitlement)​

The Palestinians are NOT up to the task.

There you go with that government thing again. The rights of a people do not require a government.

(COMMENT)

Flawed:

◈ The Rights of the people does not mean that the will of the people is implemented. To be a state, by definition, must have a government. A state is sovereign over a territory that is administered by a government of the ​

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◈ Your implication is that some "Right" was taken from the Hostile Arab Palestinian (HoAP). What "Right" was that? It cannot be "sovereignty" because the HoAP did NOT have a government. Under Article I, a people must establish a government, and they must have a defined territory. The HoAP must have a permanent population, which has the capacity to conduct foreign relations. The Gaza Government (if you can call it that) has control of the Gaza Strip. The Ramallah Government has control of "Area A." But neither government can claim to have a form of Government that covers the entirety of the territories in dispute.​

These concepts all tie together. A state is formed when a people create a government to administer the territory and open dialogue with other states. It is a chain. Brake a link and the chain falses.

NO body of people owes any entitlement to the HoAP.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

These concepts all tie together. A state is formed when a people create a government to administer the territory and open dialogue with other states. It is a chain.

And that chain can be broken by illegal external interference.

Why did the UN list all of those rights for the Palestinians without a mention of a government or state?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And that chain can be broken by illegal external interference.

Why did the UN list all of those rights for the Palestinians without a mention of a government or state?

And that chain can be broken by illegal external interference.

The Palestinians were about to have their own state, when the Arab armies went and fucked it up.

 

[P F Tinmore]

And that chain can be broken by illegal external interference.

The Palestinians were about to have their own state, when the Arab armies went and fucked it up.

The Arab armies had nothing to do with Palestine.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Arab armies had nothing to do with Palestine.

Didn't they occupy it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

Didn't they occupy it?

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nor can occupations annex territory.

 

[Hollie]

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nor can occupations annex territory.

So you agree that the Arabs-Moslems occupying Gaza and the West Bank do not now and never in the past had sovereignty.

 

[Hollie]

The Arab armies had nothing to do with Palestine.

Except when they invaded.

 

[Hollie]

A child being groomed into a Cult.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Occupations do not acquire sovereignty. Nor can occupations annex territory.

That's awful!

Why did the Arab armies occupy it?