Who Are The Palestinains?

[aris2chat]

>>50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews". The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1,2 million in 1948.
In a 1974 study proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported <<

If half the population came looking for jobs then half the population was not "palestinian born"
68% of Israelis today are born in Israel. They are no longer "foreign".

After the war of 1949 the jewish population more than doubled not from europeans but jews from arab lands. More jews were forced from the arab land than palestinians that left Israel during the war.

 

[Roudy]

It difficult to know who is posting now -- is it Haniya or that guy from the Boiler Room who said his wife came from Spain? I don't think Haniya has a wife. I think I will go with the British Officials who said that the Arabs came in droves from their surrounding impoverished countries when the Jews had jobs for them. I would imagine that those in the boiler room posting from the UK see this happening so much today when the poor Muslims and others are coming from their poor countries for jobs, just like we see poor people come here to the U.s.. Yeah, those at the State Department must have had a good laugh when Arafat was told to make up the "Palestinian" people.

He / she / it posted the INSIDE of a British Passport, and then called it Palestinian trying to deceive everybody.

Like I said, there isn't a shred of honesty and decency in any of their claims. All lies, historical revisionism, demonization, and false propaganda.

No wonder the Palestinians aren't getting anywhere.

I see, so Indian passports that also has British Passport on cover mean that Indians were not Indians when it said Indian on the citizenship page? Look closely again you ignoramus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MwRj-Ax_h-I/USoWWdiWT7I/AAAAAAAAAGk/gYSQH7Oz3K8/s1600/13.jpg

Idiot, there was no COUNTRY called Palestine, and the British were't OCCUPYING, they were taking over a collapsed Ottoman Empire. Plus the Arabs called themselves ARABS, SYRIANS, or EGYPTIANS, but never Palestinians. Since being a "Palestinian" meant you were a Jew, calling an Arab a Palestinian was an insult.

More lies and deception. Like I said, it's all garbage and delusional Islamist propaganda.

 

[Roudy]

>>50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews". The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1,2 million in 1948.
In a 1974 study proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported <<

If half the population came looking for jobs then half the population was not "palestinian born"
68% of Israelis today are born in Israel. They are no longer "foreign".

After the war of 1949 the jewish population more than doubled not from europeans but jews from arab lands. More jews were forced from the arab land than palestinians that left Israel during the war.

Correct, in fact majority of Israelis today are Jews from Arab lands, or descendants of.

 

[Roudy]

i The indigenous Palestinians were JEWS, long before Islam even existed.

But they converted to Christianity under the Byzantines and then converted to Islam. They are the same people. They weren't however Germans, Poles, Russians etc. of the Jewish faith who came in the 19th and 20th century.

Hee hee hee you is one funny Moooslem.

"ALL the Jews converted to Christianity or Islam" eh? That's why we have about 15 million Jews worldwide.

Ooops I'm sorry, they're "fake" Jews, the real ones are the Mooooslems. Specifically of Palestinian subspecies. Ho ho ho.

 

[RoccoR]

montelatici, et al,

Wow! What in the world is the matter with you?

I see, so Indian passports that also has British Passport on cover mean that Indians were not Indians when it said Indian on the citizenship page? Look closely again you ignoramus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MwRj-Ax_h-I/USoWWdiWT7I/AAAAAAAAAGk/gYSQH7Oz3K8/s1600/13.jpg

(COMMENT)

It is clearly a British Passport.

The citizenship is Palestinian - based on the "Palestinian Citizenship Order."

So, at one point, they were --- most probably --- Arabs, that were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and then, after the fall, the Republic of Turkey.

The Mandatory issues Passports for the citizens of the Mandate. This was authorized by the Palestine Order in Council. The "Palestinian" citizenship means that the person was a citizen of the Mandate of Palestine.

India, is a separate issue. India was a Commonwealth of the Crown, and formal part of the British Empire. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MrMax]

Palestinians are the worst fighters in the history of the world!

 

[Phoenall]

montelatici, et al,

Wow! What in the world is the matter with you?

I see, so Indian passports that also has British Passport on cover mean that Indians were not Indians when it said Indian on the citizenship page? Look closely again you ignoramus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MwRj-Ax_h-I/USoWWdiWT7I/AAAAAAAAAGk/gYSQH7Oz3K8/s1600/13.jpg

(COMMENT)

It is clearly a British Passport.

The citizenship is Palestinian - based on the "Palestinian Citizenship Order."

So, at one point, they were --- most probably --- Arabs, that were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and then, after the fall, the Republic of Turkey.

The Mandatory issues Passports for the citizens of the Mandate. This was authorized by the Palestine Order in Council. The "Palestinian" citizenship means that the person was a citizen of the Mandate of Palestine.

India, is a separate issue. India was a Commonwealth of the Crown, and formal part of the British Empire. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Most Respectfully,
R

I do believe that the Palestinians in trans Jordan were also given British passports with Jordanian as their citizenship right up until 1949 when they declared their independence

 

[Billo_Really]

>>50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews". The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1,2 million in 1948.
In a 1974 study proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported <<

If half the population came looking for jobs then half the population was not "palestinian born"
68% of Israelis today are born in Israel. They are no longer "foreign".

After the war of 1949 the jewish population more than doubled not from europeans but jews from arab lands. More jews were forced from the arab land than palestinians that left Israel during the war.

Can you be any more wrong?

Here are the totals during that period according to the UN...




If you do the math, a little over 5,000 Arabs migrated into Palestine, whereas over 98,000 Zionists migrated into that area during the same period.


Furthermore, Zionists also migrated in with them, racist, apartheid policies on farm labour...

employment policies of the Zionist agencies

The Constitution of the Jewish Agency: Land Holding and Employment Clauses:

(d) Land is to be acquired as Jewish property and ... the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people. "

(e) The Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labour ... it shall be deemed to be a matter of principle that Jewish labour shall be employed ..."​

Keren Kayemet draft lease: Employment of Jewish labour only:

The lessee undertakes to execute all works connected with the cultivation of the holding only with Jewish labour.

Failure to comply with this duty by the employment of non-Jewish labour shall render the lessee liable to the payment of compensation ..."

"The lease also provides that the holding shall never be held by any but a Jew ..."​

Keren ha-Yesod agreements: Employment of labour

'Article 7 - The settler hereby undertakes that ... if and whenever he may be obliged to hire help, he will hire Jewish workmen only.'​

agreement for the Emek colonies

'Article 11 - The settler undertakes ... not to hire any outside labour except Jewish labourers.'"​

... so there were no jobs being offered to Arabs.

And if there were no jobs being offered to Arabs, there's no way they'd be migrating in to look for work.

Why do you constantly lie?

 

[Billo_Really]

Bullshiite. The Arabs started calling themselves "Palestinians" as of 1967.

Doesn't matter what name they go by, it doesn't change the fact they've been living there for the last 2000 years.

 

[Billo_Really]

They did not call themselves palestinians, others called them that because or the region they lived in.
The "P" came from other languages.
Palestinians till the '60's call themselves arab or syrian. Under the Ottoman the region was divided into Sanjuks, Mutasarrifates and Vilayets.

Ottoman Syria - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There was no palestine so they would not have used that name. That is a western term, not arab.

So what!

They're still indigenous residents to that area and have been living there longer than Zionists have.

 

[Phoenall]

>>50,000 Arabs immigrated to Mandatory Palestine from the neighboring lands between 1919 and 1939 "attracted by the improving agricultural conditions and growing job opportunities, most of them created by the Jews". The Arab population of Palestine doubled during the mandatory period from 670 000 in 1922 to over 1,2 million in 1948.
In a 1974 study proposed an average of 900 per year for the number of Muslims who were detected as illegal immigrants but not deported <<

If half the population came looking for jobs then half the population was not "palestinian born"
68% of Israelis today are born in Israel. They are no longer "foreign".

After the war of 1949 the jewish population more than doubled not from europeans but jews from arab lands. More jews were forced from the arab land than palestinians that left Israel during the war.

Can you be any more wrong?

Here are the totals during that period according to the UN...




If you do the math, a little over 5,000 Arabs migrated into Palestine, whereas over 98,000 Zionists migrated into that area during the same period.


Furthermore, Zionists also migrated in with them, racist, apartheid policies on farm labour...

employment policies of the Zionist agencies

The Constitution of the Jewish Agency: Land Holding and Employment Clauses:

(d) Land is to be acquired as Jewish property and ... the same shall be held as the inalienable property of the Jewish people. "

(e) The Agency shall promote agricultural colonization based on Jewish labour ... it shall be deemed to be a matter of principle that Jewish labour shall be employed ..."​

Keren Kayemet draft lease: Employment of Jewish labour only:

The lessee undertakes to execute all works connected with the cultivation of the holding only with Jewish labour.

Failure to comply with this duty by the employment of non-Jewish labour shall render the lessee liable to the payment of compensation ..."

"The lease also provides that the holding shall never be held by any but a Jew ..."​

Keren ha-Yesod agreements: Employment of labour

'Article 7 - The settler hereby undertakes that ... if and whenever he may be obliged to hire help, he will hire Jewish workmen only.'​

agreement for the Emek colonies

'Article 11 - The settler undertakes ... not to hire any outside labour except Jewish labourers.'"​

... so there were no jobs being offered to Arabs.

And if there were no jobs being offered to Arabs, there's no way they'd be migrating in to look for work.

Why do you constantly lie?

If you read your own link it tells you that it is only the recorded numbers presented, not the unrecorded illegal immigrants. As was the case in the UK not so long ago the recorded numbers of migrants was around 125,000 for the year. Yet double that number were known to be illegal immigrants from students and visitors overstaying their visa's.

As for the arabs it did not matter if there were no jobs to be had they still came on the promise, a bit like the men of the USA in the 1930's when they walked the country looking for work even when they knew there was none. The arab labourers faced the same thing at the same time because it was a worldwide catastrophe.

 

[Billo_Really]

If you read your own link it tells you that it is only the recorded numbers presented, not the unrecorded illegal immigrants. As was the case in the UK not so long ago the recorded numbers of migrants was around 125,000 for the year. Yet double that number were known to be illegal immigrants from students and visitors overstaying their visa's.

As for the arabs it did not matter if there were no jobs to be had they still came on the promise, a bit like the men of the USA in the 1930's when they walked the country looking for work even when they knew there was none. The arab labourers faced the same thing at the same time because it was a worldwide catastrophe.

I see your logic.

There's probably some truth to that.

 

[Phoenall]

Bullshiite. The Arabs started calling themselves "Palestinians" as of 1967.

Doesn't matter what name they go by, it doesn't change the fact they've been living there for the last 2000 years.

How could they have been living there for the last 2,000 years when they were only invented less than 1300 years previously. The Christians had been there for 2,000 years, with migrations to the holy land over time from Christian nations. The Jews had lived and worked the land for close on 4,500 years, and at one time under the Ottomans the Jews and Christians were the only people in Palestine as the land was a harsh taskmaster.
Many of the arab muslims did not arrive until the late 1800's because the word had gone out that the Jews were turning desert and swamp into farm land

 

[montelatici]

The Christians had been there for 2,000 years,

The offspring of the Christians of Palestine of 2,000+ years ago are the Palestinians Muslim and Christian Palestinians of today. Most of those Christians converted to Islam. The Zionist propaganda about Muslims moving to Palestine was debunked decades ago. Nice try though. The only people settling in great numbers legally and illegally in Palestine were Europeans (Jews) as British reports of the mandatory show, for example the 1931 report:


"As recorded, 5,533 immigrants (2,293 men, 2,323 women, and 917 children) were admitted, including 4,075 Jews (1,604 men, 1,863 women, and 608 children). Among these immigrants were 1,580 persons who were in Palestine illegally (Jews 939, Christians 502, Moslems 137, Druzes 2) but received permission to remain permanently in the country. 2,701 of the immigrants came from Europe east of a line drawn from Danzig to Trieste, 1,146 from North Africa and Western Asia including `Iraq, Persia, and Afghanistan, 341 from Central Europe, 382 from the United States of America, and 546 (including 197 British Police) from the British Empire (apart from Aden, which is included in Western Asia). - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations (31 December 1931)

 

[P F Tinmore]

montelatici, et al,

Wow! What in the world is the matter with you?

I see, so Indian passports that also has British Passport on cover mean that Indians were not Indians when it said Indian on the citizenship page? Look closely again you ignoramus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MwRj-Ax_h-I/USoWWdiWT7I/AAAAAAAAAGk/gYSQH7Oz3K8/s1600/13.jpg

(COMMENT)

It is clearly a British Passport.

The citizenship is Palestinian - based on the "Palestinian Citizenship Order."

So, at one point, they were --- most probably --- Arabs, that were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and then, after the fall, the Republic of Turkey.

The Mandatory issues Passports for the citizens of the Mandate. This was authorized by the Palestine Order in Council. The "Palestinian" citizenship means that the person was a citizen of the Mandate of Palestine.

India, is a separate issue. India was a Commonwealth of the Crown, and formal part of the British Empire. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestinian citizens were defined in two places.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order)

Contrary to popular propaganda, the mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was temporarily assigned to Palestine to hold Palestine in trust on the behalf of the Palestinians. Palestine and the Palestinians existed before and after the mandate.

 

[Roudy]

Bullshiite. The Arabs started calling themselves "Palestinians" as of 1967.

Doesn't matter what name they go by, it doesn't change the fact they've been living there for the last 2000 years.

Sure it does, their whole identity and premise is false, which make they have no basis for their assertions, and you're so stupid even the Palestinians aren't claiming they've been there for 2000 years. Ha ha ha

 

[Roudy]

The Christians had been there for 2,000 years,

The offspring of the Christians of Palestine of 2,000+ years ago are the Palestinians Muslim and Christian Palestinians of today. Most of those Christians converted to Islam. The Zionist propaganda about Muslims moving to Palestine was debunked decades ago. Nice try though. The only people settling in great numbers legally and illegally in Palestine were Europeans (Jews) as British reports of the mandatory show, for example the 1931 report:


"As recorded, 5,533 immigrants (2,293 men, 2,323 women, and 917 children) were admitted, including 4,075 Jews (1,604 men, 1,863 women, and 608 children). Among these immigrants were 1,580 persons who were in Palestine illegally (Jews 939, Christians 502, Moslems 137, Druzes 2) but received permission to remain permanently in the country. 2,701 of the immigrants came from Europe east of a line drawn from Danzig to Trieste, 1,146 from North Africa and Western Asia including `Iraq, Persia, and Afghanistan, 341 from Central Europe, 382 from the United States of America, and 546 (including 197 British Police) from the British Empire (apart from Aden, which is included in Western Asia). - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations (31 December 1931)

How does your total bullshit prove that "the Christians converted to Islam"? Why don't you show us the British reports and numbers showing the hoards of Arab invaders? You are a phony baloney. Like I said there isn't an ounce of truth in anything you say.

"At the beginning of the 20th century, there were practically no Arabs in the Holy Land. Historically, a "Palestinian" people never existed. The English name "Palestinian", to describe the local Arab population, was invented AFTER the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. These Arabs do not even have a native name to describe themselves in their own Arabic language. The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries.

-The British Hope-Simpson Commission recommended, in 1930, "Prevention of illicit immigration" to stop the illegal Arab immigration from neighboring Arab countries.[15]
-The British Governor of the Sinai (1922-36) reported in the Palestine Royal Commission Report: "This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria."
-The governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey El Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to Palestine.
-British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Holy Land, noted in 1939 that "far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries, predominantly from areas now known as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. None of these countries existed as nations prior to 1913. They were nothing but a disorganized collection of tribes, constantly terrorizing each other, trying to seize land from their neighbors. Unfortunately, those Arab invaders, imported into the Holy Land their age-old "culture" of terrorizing neighbors to seize land. Many of them were social outcasts and criminals who could not find jobs in their own countries so they searched for their luck elsewhere. Some of them were accepted by the British regime as a source of cheap labor and were allowed to settle on unoccupied Jewish land. Even Yassir Arafat, the leader of the PLO, is not a native of the Holy Land. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian dialect. He was born in 1929 in Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956. He then moved to Saudi-Arabia and founded the Al-Fatah terror organization, the precursor to the PLO, in Kuwait in 1958, together with his Saudi-Arabian friends. How exactly does that constitute a "Palestinian refugee"? Arafat must have been a good student of Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim religion, who said in the Quran: "War is deception".[16]

In their propaganda, the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" consistently demand that Israel and the world recognize their "pre-1948" rights. That's about 60 years ago. Mysteriously, they are never willing to add another 60 years to their "historical" claims on the Holy Land. They know very well that doing so will send them back to where they came from - Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. Years ago, during negotiations with the, so-called, Palestinians, a Israeli negotiator proposed to revise a mention of their claim of "pre-1948" rights and replace it with "pre-1917". The "Palestinians" vehemently opposed. Now we know why.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

Again, you are mistaken.

montelatici, et al,

Wow! What in the world is the matter with you?

I see, so Indian passports that also has British Passport on cover mean that Indians were not Indians when it said Indian on the citizenship page? Look closely again you ignoramus.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-MwRj-Ax_h-I/USoWWdiWT7I/AAAAAAAAAGk/gYSQH7Oz3K8/s1600/13.jpg

(COMMENT)

It is clearly a British Passport.

The citizenship is Palestinian - based on the "Palestinian Citizenship Order."

So, at one point, they were --- most probably --- Arabs, that were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and then, after the fall, the Republic of Turkey.

The Mandatory issues Passports for the citizens of the Mandate. This was authorized by the Palestine Order in Council. The "Palestinian" citizenship means that the person was a citizen of the Mandate of Palestine.

India, is a separate issue. India was a Commonwealth of the Crown, and formal part of the British Empire. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestinian citizens were defined in two places.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order)

Contrary to popular propaganda, the mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was temporarily assigned to Palestine to hold Palestine in trust on the behalf of the Palestinians. Palestine and the Palestinians existed before and after the mandate.

(COMMENT)

Palestine was the short title for the Mandate of Palestine, an area to be determined solely by the Allied Powers.

The Treaty of Lausanne never mentions Palestine.

The people of that region were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and later the Republic of Turkey.

Citizenship and Nationality were determined by the Palestine Order in Council, and happens to use the same legal language as the Treaty simply because the very same Allied Powers wrote both documents.

The authorities that determined citizenship and nationalities were the same people that administered the various mandates. Nothing is in conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

If there is to be a lasting peace Israel must first end the occupation. Problem is that no surrounding Arab country will grant their Palestinians a right of return back to their indigenous homelands. Gosh I wonder if Mecca might be a nice place for a Palestinian State.

The Christians had been there for 2,000 years,

The offspring of the Christians of Palestine of 2,000+ years ago are the Palestinians Muslim and Christian Palestinians of today. Most of those Christians converted to Islam. The Zionist propaganda about Muslims moving to Palestine was debunked decades ago. Nice try though. The only people settling in great numbers legally and illegally in Palestine were Europeans (Jews) as British reports of the mandatory show, for example the 1931 report:


"As recorded, 5,533 immigrants (2,293 men, 2,323 women, and 917 children) were admitted, including 4,075 Jews (1,604 men, 1,863 women, and 608 children). Among these immigrants were 1,580 persons who were in Palestine illegally (Jews 939, Christians 502, Moslems 137, Druzes 2) but received permission to remain permanently in the country. 2,701 of the immigrants came from Europe east of a line drawn from Danzig to Trieste, 1,146 from North Africa and Western Asia including `Iraq, Persia, and Afghanistan, 341 from Central Europe, 382 from the United States of America, and 546 (including 197 British Police) from the British Empire (apart from Aden, which is included in Western Asia). - See more at: Mandate for Palestine - Report of the Mandatory to the League of Nations (31 December 1931)

How does your total bullshit prove that "the Christians converted to Islam"? Why don't you show us the British reports and numbers showing the hoards of Arab invaders? You are a phony baloney. Like I said there isn't an ounce of truth in anything you say.

"At the beginning of the 20th century, there were practically no Arabs in the Holy Land. Historically, a "Palestinian" people never existed. The English name "Palestinian", to describe the local Arab population, was invented AFTER the establishment of the State of Israel in 1948. These Arabs do not even have a native name to describe themselves in their own Arabic language. The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries.

-The British Hope-Simpson Commission recommended, in 1930, "Prevention of illicit immigration" to stop the illegal Arab immigration from neighboring Arab countries.[15]
-The British Governor of the Sinai (1922-36) reported in the Palestine Royal Commission Report: "This illegal immigration was not only going on from the Sinai, but also from Transjordan and Syria."
-The governor of the Syrian district of Hauran, Tewfik Bey El Hurani, admitted in 1934 that in a single period of only a few months over 30,000 Syrians from Hauran had moved to Palestine.
-British Prime Minister Winston Churchill noted the Arab influx. Churchill, a veteran of the early years of the British mandate in the Holy Land, noted in 1939 that "far from being persecuted, the Arabs have crowded into the country and multiplied till their population has increased more than even all world Jewry could lift up the Jewish population."

The Arabs who now claim to be natives of the Holy Land have migrated to Palestine and invaded the land after 1917, from neighboring Arab countries, predominantly from areas now known as Egypt, Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. None of these countries existed as nations prior to 1913. They were nothing but a disorganized collection of tribes, constantly terrorizing each other, trying to seize land from their neighbors. Unfortunately, those Arab invaders, imported into the Holy Land their age-old "culture" of terrorizing neighbors to seize land. Many of them were social outcasts and criminals who could not find jobs in their own countries so they searched for their luck elsewhere. Some of them were accepted by the British regime as a source of cheap labor and were allowed to settle on unoccupied Jewish land. Even Yassir Arafat, the leader of the PLO, is not a native of the Holy Land. He called himself a "Palestinian refugee" but spoke Arabic with an Egyptian dialect. He was born in 1929 in Cairo, Egypt. He served in the Egyptian army, studied in the University of Cairo, and lived in Cairo until 1956. He then moved to Saudi-Arabia and founded the Al-Fatah terror organization, the precursor to the PLO, in Kuwait in 1958, together with his Saudi-Arabian friends. How exactly does that constitute a "Palestinian refugee"? Arafat must have been a good student of Muhammad, the founder of the Muslim religion, who said in the Quran: "War is deception".[16]

In their propaganda, the Arabs who now call themselves "Palestinians" consistently demand that Israel and the world recognize their "pre-1948" rights. That's about 60 years ago. Mysteriously, they are never willing to add another 60 years to their "historical" claims on the Holy Land. They know very well that doing so will send them back to where they came from - Jordan, Syria, Egypt, Lebanon, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq. Years ago, during negotiations with the, so-called, Palestinians, a Israeli negotiator proposed to revise a mention of their claim of "pre-1948" rights and replace it with "pre-1917". The "Palestinians" vehemently opposed. Now we know why.

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

Again, you are mistaken.

montelatici, et al,

Wow! What in the world is the matter with you?


(COMMENT)

It is clearly a British Passport.

The citizenship is Palestinian - based on the "Palestinian Citizenship Order."

So, at one point, they were --- most probably --- Arabs, that were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and then, after the fall, the Republic of Turkey.

The Mandatory issues Passports for the citizens of the Mandate. This was authorized by the Palestine Order in Council. The "Palestinian" citizenship means that the person was a citizen of the Mandate of Palestine.

India, is a separate issue. India was a Commonwealth of the Crown, and formal part of the British Empire. You are mixing apples and oranges.

Most Respectfully,
R

Palestinian citizens were defined in two places.

Drawing up the framework of nationality, Article 30 of the Treaty of Lausanne stated:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in territory which in accordance with the provisions of the present Treaty is detached from Turkey will become ipso facto, in the conditions laid down by the local law, nationals of the State to which such territory is transferred.”​

---------------------------
The automatic, ipso facto, change from Ottoman to Palestinian nationality was dealt with in Article 1, paragraph 1, of the Citizenship Order, which declared:

“Turkish subjects habitually resident in the territory of Palestine upon the 1st day of August, 1925, shall become Palestinian citizens.”​

To qualify for Palestinian nationality by virtue of this paragraph, the person had to be: (1) a Turkish subject, or citizen; and (2) habitually resident in Palestine. While Palestinian nationality in accordance with international law (the Treaty of Lausanne) was created, as shown above, on 6 August 1924, the same nationality was effectively created on 1 August 1925 based on domestic law (the Palestinian Citizenship Order)

Contrary to popular propaganda, the mandate was not Palestine. The mandate was temporarily assigned to Palestine to hold Palestine in trust on the behalf of the Palestinians. Palestine and the Palestinians existed before and after the mandate.

(COMMENT)

Palestine was the short title for the Mandate of Palestine, an area to be determined solely by the Allied Powers.

The Treaty of Lausanne never mentions Palestine.

The people of that region were citizens of the Ottoman Empire and later the Republic of Turkey.

Citizenship and Nationality were determined by the Palestine Order in Council, and happens to use the same legal language as the Treaty simply because the very same Allied Powers wrote both documents.

The authorities that determined citizenship and nationalities were the same people that administered the various mandates. Nothing is in conflict.

Most Respectfully,
R

The documents are quite clear. The Ottoman citizens of the defined area of Palestine became Palestinians and citizens of Palestine after 1924/1925 by treaty and law.