White House Checking IDs of High School Students

[boedicca]

Now that isn't a nice thing to say about the Bush's and Mr. Reagan, and every president since Cleveland now is it?

Sure, other presidents have turned a blind eye to illegal migration. Some have tried and failed to bring about effective legislative change. But funny I don't recall any of the rest of them creating a media circus or threatening legal action on a State protecting its own people with a bill they didn't even bother to read before they opened their race-baiting mouths.

I certainly don't recall any of Obama's predecessors holding a press event with the leader of another nation (which has harsher laws than ours) in which said leader criticized the U.S. internal policies and the predecessor agreed with him.

 

[The Infidel]

Note, the police must have reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.

You can say that till you are blue in the face. Some folks just have a mental block on reality.


As for OP,

If ya dont want your background checked, you dont get to meet Mr Obammie... nuff said.

BTW, if B.O. wanted to meet himself.... he would be turned away b/c of his own past affiliations.
Just saying.....

 

[Yurt]

and btw...please provide an example where someone harmed the president by getting permission to shake his hand without having a background check....thaks

Assassination of William McKinley - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On the morning of the 6th, McKinley visited Niagara Falls and returned to the Exposition for a scheduled public reception that afternoon. His secretary, George B. Cortelyou, disliked such public receptions, believing them to be security risks.[4] Cortelyou suggested that McKinley should skip the reception, but McKinley replied, "Why should I? No one would wish to hurt me."[5] McKinley, accompanied by Cortelyou and Exposition president John Milburn, arrived at the Exposition at 3:30 p.m. and proceeded to the Temple of Music building where the reception was to take place.[5]

McKinley, flanked by Cortelyou and Milburn, stood and shook hands with the people filing by in a long line. Waiting in that line was Leon Czolgosz.

At this moment, 4:07 p.m.[14] Czolgosz advanced to face the President. McKinley reached out to take Czolgosz's "bandaged" hand, but before he could shake it Czolgosz pulled the trigger twice.[15] James Parker punched Czolgosz in the face and tackled him,[16] [17] knocking the gun from Czolgosz's hand.[18] Agent George Foster jumped onto Czolgosz and shouted to fellow agent Albert Gallagher "Al, get the gun! Get the gun! Al, get the gun!"[19] Gallagher instead got Czolgosz's handkerchief, which was on fire. Private Francis O'Brien, of McKinley's Army detail, picked up the gun.[20]

LMAO....a background check would NOT have stopped that...modern day security would have stopped that...not a background check...

you're a hoot...and i bet you spent hours trying to find something to support your silly stance...just admit you're wrong and move on

 

[chanel]

The public editor of a newspaper in Michigan called out online news portal Drudge Report today, accusing the right wing site of being "constantly on the lookout for making mountains out of molehills."

"K-Central students are not being asked to provide proof of citizenship status," Kalamazoo Gazette public editor Joyce Pines writes. "They have been asked to fill out the same paperwork and answer the same questions throughout their entire public school career."

"First, this is a standard form from the Secret Service. It wasn't Obama's call." The form asks for birthdate and Social Security number, plus a yes/no box on whether the student is a citizen. K-Central Principal Von Washington Jr. said it's his understanding that the citizenship question was on there to explain why a student doesn't have a Social Security number.

The school enrollment form that students fill out every fall also asks the yes/no question of whether a student is a citizen.

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Paper: Drudge is falsely portraying our Obama story | Raw Story

This is the law in NJ. Not sure about MI

A school district cannot ask for documentation about immigration status, including passports, green cards, or other immigration-related information (except for F-1 Visa holders, explained above). A school district cannot require a student or parent to have a Social Security number.

LSNJLAW - School Residency Requirements

So if this applies to MI, it seems that the Secret Service is doing a background check on every American kid, but none on the immigrants without SS#s. Am I understanding this correctly?

I have no problem with using all means to protect the president. But this just goes to show how flawed our national security standards are.

 

[hunter10]

so

 

[chanel]

So? They can not conduct background checks on people without SS#s. So why ask anyone? Only legal citizens pose a threat to the president?

Oh and if KC Central "routinely asks this question" in violation of the law they could find themselves ineligible for the grant. Where's the ACLU?

 

[bodecea]

Now that isn't a nice thing to say about the Bush's and Mr. Reagan, and every president since Cleveland now is it?

Sure, other presidents have turned a blind eye to illegal migration. Some have tried and failed to bring about effective legislative change. But funny I don't recall any of the rest of them creating a media circus or threatening legal action on a State protecting its own people with a bill they didn't even bother to read before they opened their race-baiting mouths.

I wouldn't call what Reagan did "turning a blind eye" to illegal immigration.

 

[Murf76]

Now that isn't a nice thing to say about the Bush's and Mr. Reagan, and every president since Cleveland now is it?

Sure, other presidents have turned a blind eye to illegal migration. Some have tried and failed to bring about effective legislative change. But funny I don't recall any of the rest of them creating a media circus or threatening legal action on a State protecting its own people with a bill they didn't even bother to read before they opened their race-baiting mouths.

I wouldn't call what Reagan did "turning a blind eye" to illegal immigration.

Include Reagan in the "tried but failed" group. Proof as to why amnesty only leads to MORE illegal alien incursions.

 

[bodecea]

Sure, other presidents have turned a blind eye to illegal migration. Some have tried and failed to bring about effective legislative change. But funny I don't recall any of the rest of them creating a media circus or threatening legal action on a State protecting its own people with a bill they didn't even bother to read before they opened their race-baiting mouths.

I wouldn't call what Reagan did "turning a blind eye" to illegal immigration.

Include Reagan in the "tried but failed" group. Proof as to why amnesty only leads to MORE illegal alien incursions.

Exactly. And I am against Amnesty. It is PROVEN to make things worse.

 

[Zona]

It's okay for the White House to require that High School Students provide ID information (Social Security #s and citizen status) to the Secret Service on the pretext that this is necessary to protect the President, but it's somehow not copacetic for police officers in AZ to check the green cards of immigrants caught speeding?

yes...thats the way it works

Suddenly......SUDDENLY its a problem. Every president in history has tight security when people were visiting the white house, but for some reason, its a problem now. What changed?


I hate hacks and this OP is a hack.

 

[Papageorgio]

It's okay for the White House to require that High School Students provide ID information (Social Security #s and citizen status) to the Secret Service on the pretext that this is necessary to protect the President, but it's somehow not copacetic for police officers in AZ to check the green cards of immigrants caught speeding?

yes...thats the way it works

Suddenly......SUDDENLY its a problem. Every president in history has tight security when people were visiting the white house, but for some reason, its a problem now. What changed?


I hate hacks and this OP is a hack.

No one is saying it is a problem for a President having tight security. We need the security in place to protect the President. That is why there are federal laws that must be enforced to protect the President.

We also have federal laws that need to be enforced to protect the citizens.

People are asking for the federal laws on undocumented democrats to be enforced.

 

[Nonelitist]

Note, the police must have reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.

You can say that till you are blue in the face. Some folks just have a mental block on reality.


As for OP,

If ya dont want your background checked, you dont get to meet Mr Obammie... nuff said.

BTW, if B.O. wanted to meet himself.... he would be turned away b/c of his own past affiliations.
Just saying.....

If you don't want to be deported in Arizona for being an illegal immigrant.... don't be an illegal immigrant.

 

[syrenn]

So? They can not conduct background checks on people without SS#s. So why ask anyone? Only legal citizens pose a threat to the president?

Oh and if KC Central "routinely asks this question" in violation of the law they could find themselves ineligible for the grant. Where's the ACLU?

The school cant ask for documentation (which is why schools are so full of illegals) but the SS can.

 

[Coyote]

Look at the shreiking attacks on AZ because it is checking legal residency status.

If it's okay for the WHITE HOUSE to check such info just to shake the President's hand, why on earth shouldn't AZ be able to check green cards when a driver is detained?

Except that...
1. Existing law already give police the power to check the IDs of people pulled over for speeding and other moving violations.
2. The Arizona law doesn't just cover when someone is committing a crime. It allows the police to ask for ID at any time.

Sort of...the person has to be encountered under "lawful contact" - traffic violation, or something totally non-criminal such as contacting the police if you've been raped, assaulted, burgled. If the police have "reasonable suspician" that you might be illegal then they can request documentation of immigrant status.

Problem is - what is "reasonable suspicion"?

Somehow, in a community that already fears the law, is reluctant to report crimes on it's members, and is taken advantage of because of those fears, this sounds like open season on immigrants becuase they will be too afraid of being deported to call the police. Regardless of immigrant status most of these people are just that - people, like you and I. Not gang members, not drug lords - just people trying to better the lives of their families.

 

[Coyote]

Are you intentionally being obtuse? the phrase "lawful contact," defines what must be going on before police even think about checking immigration status. That means the officer would already be engaged in some detention of an individual because he's violated some other law. They cannot just randomly demand ID from people.

That's just simply not true. Lawful contact means contact an officer has with a person.

Because some people are absolutely morons, the Governor of Arizona changed the wording of the law. Now it says:

Another change replaces the phrase "lawful contact" with "lawful stop, detention or arrest" to apparently clarify that officers don't need to question a victim or witness about their legal status.

Governor signs several changes to Arizona immigration law - Phoenix Arizona news, breaking news, local news, weather radar, traffic from ABC15 News | ABC15.com

CASE CLOSED!!!

Ah. That's better.

 

[boedicca]

Problem is - what is "reasonable suspicion"?

There are legal standards for "reasonable suspicion", just as there are for other concepts such as "reasonable doubt" and "reasonable person".

 

[Zona]

Note, the police must have reasonable suspicion that the person has committed, is committing or is about to commit a crime.

You can say that till you are blue in the face. Some folks just have a mental block on reality.


As for OP,

If ya dont want your background checked, you dont get to meet Mr Obammie... nuff said.

BTW, if B.O. wanted to meet himself.... he would be turned away b/c of his own past affiliations.
Just saying.....

If you don't want to be deported in Arizona for being an illegal immigrant.... don't be an illegal immigrant.

Or be a legal one and carry your paperz at all times. Imagine having your 6th grader carrying around his or her original birth certificate to school everyday. You see, if two kids get into a fight on a school bus and the driver of the bus calls a cop over for help, all the legal and ilegal hispanics on that bus are opened to questions about his or her citizenship. That cop will not ask citizenship to the white kids. How much does that suck?

Imagine this in America! ?? Doesn'T affect any illegal Irish, Polish, European immigrants, only the brown ones of course. You see, the ones with a little color will be the ones affect by this crap. This is why most (majority, not the minority) people think its ok. It doesn't affect you.

 

[Zona]

Problem is - what is "reasonable suspicion"?

There are legal standards for "reasonable suspicion", just as there are for other concepts such as "reasonable doubt" and "reasonable person".

Yup, be a witness to a crime. Have a car on blocks in front of your home, have a busted tail light....harsh things like that.

 

[boedicca]

You can say that till you are blue in the face. Some folks just have a mental block on reality.


As for OP,

If ya dont want your background checked, you dont get to meet Mr Obammie... nuff said.

BTW, if B.O. wanted to meet himself.... he would be turned away b/c of his own past affiliations.
Just saying.....

If you don't want to be deported in Arizona for being an illegal immigrant.... don't be an illegal immigrant.

Or be a legal one and carry your paperz at all times. Imagine having your 6th grader carrying around his or her original birth certificate to school everyday. You see, if two kids get into a fight on a school bus and the driver of the bus calls a cop over for help, all the legal and ilegal hispanics on that bus are opened to questions about his or her citizenship. That cop will not ask citizenship to the white kids. How much does that suck?

Imagine this in America! ?? Doesn'T affect any illegal Irish, Polish, European immigrants, only the brown ones of course. You see, the ones with a little color will be the ones affect by this crap. This is why most (majority, not the minority) people think its ok. It doesn't affect you.

Federal law already requires that legal immigrants carry their papers (generally a Visa or Green Card) on them at all times. I'm not sure how this affects children, but it's reasonable for adults to carry such documents with them.

It has nothing to do with color - playing the RACE CARD just shows how bankrupt your argument that we shouldn't enforce our own laws is.

 

[boedicca]

Problem is - what is "reasonable suspicion"?

There are legal standards for "reasonable suspicion", just as there are for other concepts such as "reasonable doubt" and "reasonable person".

Yup, be a witness to a crime. Have a car on blocks in front of your home, have a busted tail light....harsh things like that.

I call Shenanigans.

Please provide documentation that these are the standards for "reasonable suspicion" (other than the first one and the tail light - all of us are subject to those two).