Which car manufacturers do you think will go bust due to failing EV's

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Apples come in all sizes and they are all still apples. Are the batteries themselves any different? I see a time in the near future when batteries are standard sizes and can be swapped easily, like today's C or D batteries.

Do you even know how much of a difference there is? It's not an apples to apples comparison. You are posting a do it yourself video for changing out a hybrid battery and arguing it's just that easy for all batteries.

Yes, they probably should have built in changing out batteries in their design. Just like they should have standardized batteries for recycling simplification. But they didn't.

You are so fucking in love with your idiotic belief in saving the planet that you have abandoned all reason and common sense.

 

[alang1216]

Do you even know how much of a difference there is? It's not an apples to apples comparison. You are posting a do it yourself video for changing out a hybrid battery and arguing it's just that easy for all batteries.

You have yet to inform me of what is the difference between batteries other than size.

Yes, they probably should have built in changing out batteries in their design. Just like they should have standardized batteries for recycling simplification. But they didn't.

They will.

You are so fucking in love with your idiotic belief in saving the planet that you have abandoned all reason and common sense.

Such an angry person. Tsk, tsk. Who mentioned saving the planet? I believe EVs are the future for the majority of cars and trucks. just as jets are for planes, for economic and practical reasons. I think it is you who have abandoned all reason and common sense or you've begun you NYE celebration.

 

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You have yet to inform me of what is the difference between batteries other than size.


They will.


Such an angry person. Tsk, tsk. Who mentioned saving the planet? I believe EVs are the future for the majority of cars and trucks. just as jets are for planes, for economic and practical reasons. I think it is you who have abandoned all reason and common sense or you've begun you NYE celebration.

So size doesn't matter for your "do it yourself battery replacement" fairy tale? Because that's my point. The size of EV batteries does not lend itself to "do it yourself battery replacement."

I'm not angry. Just confused why you would use a hybrid "do it yourself battery replacement" to imply that EV batteries are so easy to change out anyone should be able to do it.

 

[alang1216]

So size doesn't matter for your "do it yourself battery replacement" fairy tale? Because that's my point. The size of EV batteries does not lend itself to "do it yourself battery replacement."

Seems no more complex than changing your oil. Like every job, you just need the right tools.

I'm not angry. Just confused why you would use a hybrid "do it yourself battery replacement" to imply that EV batteries are so easy to change out anyone should be able to do it.

Anyone with the right skills and tools. Every professional mechanic is more than capable. Ain't rocket science.

In the near future, I predict all EVs will use a small, standard-size battery that can be easily swapped, maybe not much bigger than today's car batteries. Cars may have 5-10, trucks could have 20-50, ships could have 500-1000, etc. That's how markets are created.

 

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Seems no more complex than changing your oil. Like every job, you just need the right tools.



Anyone with the right skills and tools. Every professional mechanic is more than capable. Ain't rocket science.

In the near future, I predict all EVs will use a small, standard-size battery that can be easily swapped, maybe not much bigger than today's car batteries. Cars may have 5-10, trucks could have 20-50, ships could have 500-1000, etc. That's how markets are created.

Professional mechanics with the proper equipment... yes. My point has been made.

Whereas I believe EV's will result in a series of predictable surprises that will make keystone cops look like Einstein.

 

[Captain Caveman]

The cost of insuring electric cars in England is indeed higher, but the difference is not as substantial as the headlines would suggest. The EV was actually cheaper to cover in one case.


If true, this is likely a function of the newness of EVs. It should be easy to detect a single bad battery and just replace that one.

Different automakers stack their cells how they see fit, so let’s discuss how Tesla stacks theirs. Their battery pack is just a combination of smaller packs. Further, a typical Tesla battery pack can comprise up to 16 sub-packs.

Each of these sub-packs can contain over 400 unit cells. When you do the math, it’s not uncommon to have up to 7,000 cells in a battery pack.

How Big Are Batteries On Electric Cars? (Explained) | Motor & Wheels

Electric cars fascinate us in the same way cars fascinated people back when the first automobile was invented.

motorandwheels.com

The problem with OCE vehicles, everything is electronic and controlled by modules containing thousands of chips. That means thousands of soldered joints, that means many thousand areas where things can go wrong/faulty etc.. And ICE vehicles tend to come with one battery.

With an EV, just like an ICE vehicle, modules everywhere and not only one battery to contend with, but several thousand, and as the article above says, upto 7,000 batteries.

It just takes one battery to set off a chain reaction. As more an more appear, crash stats will increase. Might be wise to invest in asphalt company shares!!

Edit : my van costs £240 to insure fully comprehensive per year with protected no claims bonus. So as a laugh, I will go on a insurance price comparison website tomorrow and get quotations on an equivalent electric version.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The ones who don't adapt.

What do you mean by adapt? Dealers are sitting with lots full of EVs that no one will buy because they do not perform and cost too damned much! Most have stopped production because their stock is already excessive.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

I’m not sure why you call it a niche market. Yesterday I went to a local store. In the shopping center is a Dairy Queen. For a couple weeks now some Construction has been going on. Yesterday I saw what they were putting in. A half dozen Tesla charging stations.

The local outlet mall has several charging points that I see in use fairly frequently.

The problem for you is that most people do not find electric cars offensive. I know some do. But most do not.

Hyundai is building a factory near me to build EV’s. Kia already has a factory in the state making gasoline powered cars. That is something made me laugh more than you would think. Ford shut down the factory making the Taurus in Georgia, but Kia and now Hyundai are seeing opportunities here.

EV market share continues to rise. And that is a trend that is likely to continue.

Visualized: EV Market Share in the U.S.

Although sales have been climbing, EV market share in the U.S. remains low as a percentage of all vehicles registered on the road.

www.visualcapitalist.com

What planet are you currently occupying?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

We'll use fusion power to generate electricity with which we will electrolyze water and capture both the hydrogen and oxygen and then store and burn them both in the car for perfect combustion.

Don't hold your breath!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Oh? Hydrogen isn't viable? Sure works pretty damn good, and isn't a strain on the electrical grid.

Yeah, they just built a new hydrogen filling station down the road! NOT!

 

[alang1216]

The problem with OCE vehicles, everything is electronic and controlled by modules containing thousands of chips. That means thousands of soldered joints, that means many thousand areas where things can go wrong/faulty etc.. And ICE vehicles tend to come with one battery.

Is that more or less than the connections in my phone? Electronics are incredibly robust and the car will likely wear out before the electronics.

With an EV, just like an ICE vehicle, modules everywhere and not only one battery to contend with, but several thousand, and as the article above says, upto 7,000 batteries.

It just takes one battery to set off a chain reaction. As more an more appear, crash stats will increase. Might be wise to invest in asphalt company shares!!

"Chain reaction"? Is that true, I never heard that before? Got a link?

Edit : my van costs £240 to insure fully comprehensive per year with protected no claims bonus. So as a laugh, I will go on a insurance price comparison website tomorrow and get quotations on an equivalent electric version.

Count your blessings, you might pay 4 times that here.

 

[alang1216]

Whereas I believe EV's will result in a series of predictable surprises that will make keystone cops look like Einstein.

And those surprises are?

 

[Captain Caveman]

"Chain reaction"? Is that true, I never heard that before? Got a link?

I thought you would have already known about thermal runaway -

What is Thermal Runaway? And Why is it Important for Electric Vehicle Adoption | Honeywell

EV are the future. Understanding battery safety, especially thermal runaway events and knowing how to leverage technology is crucial for safe adoption. Learn more.

sps.honeywell.com

Side note, in the article, it says -

emissions from the transportation sector are larger than any other sector, accounting for approximately 27% of total greenhouse gas emissions in the U.S.

An EV reduces ICE carbon footprint only by 17% to 30%. And 58% of the 27% emission figure are cars and light transport. US transport emissions 1.8bn tons per year, 58% is 1.044bn tons, 17% to 30% is 177mn and 313mn tons, an average of 245mn, and that's if all is electric overnight. Now, you could wiggle the figures either way.

Then you have lorries, ships, jets etc.. to contend with. And whilst the stupid West erode their countries with the electrification crap, the likes of India, China, Africa etc.. will continue to belch out even higher quantities.

 

[SavannahMann]

What planet are you currently occupying?

Hyundai is rapidly building its first US electric vehicle plant, with production on track for 2025

Construction of Hyundai's first U.S. plant dedicated to making electric vehicles is moving quickly. A year has passed since the South Korean automaker broke ground on a sprawling site in southeast Georgia.

apnews.com

The one where they are building that.

 

[Captain Caveman]

I’m not sure why you call it a niche market.

Those that can afford one and have the means to charge one at home is part of the niche market. Fleet sales are part of the niche market. The upper end of the middle class wage scale and above is part of the niche market. Coupled with the 2030 deadline being moved to 2035, and the niche market beginning to be saturated, sales are slowing, slowing so much so that as from today, 1st Jan 2024, manufacturers in the UK will be fined £15,000 per vehicle if they don't achieve 22% EV sales. I mean, EV's are so good, the UK government are now having to fine retailers to sell them and ban new ICE car sales from 2035.

Just like socialism, ideas that are so good, they have to make them law.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Hyundai is rapidly building its first US electric vehicle plant, with production on track for 2025

Construction of Hyundai's first U.S. plant dedicated to making electric vehicles is moving quickly. A year has passed since the South Korean automaker broke ground on a sprawling site in southeast Georgia.

apnews.com

The one where they are building that.

Ford shut down plans for a factory in Michigan to produce batteries. The damned cars are NOT selling! Their factory in western Tennessee is still being built because of this. Up until a few months back, EVs were the future. Now, reality has set in and the market is dismal.

 

[SavannahMann]

Ford shut down plans for a factory in Michigan to produce batteries. The damned cars are NOT selling! Their factory in western Tennessee is still being built because of this. Up until a few months back, EVs were the future. Now, reality has set in and the market is dismal.

Interesting.

Visualized: EV Market Share in the U.S.

Although sales have been climbing, EV market share in the U.S. remains low as a percentage of all vehicles registered on the road.

www.visualcapitalist.com

According to sales figures there was a 48% increase in EV sales.

I guess this dismal failure of a market hasn’t reached the actual market yet.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Interesting.

Visualized: EV Market Share in the U.S.

Although sales have been climbing, EV market share in the U.S. remains low as a percentage of all vehicles registered on the road.

www.visualcapitalist.com

According to sales figures there was a 48% increase in EV sales.

I guess this dismal failure of a market hasn’t reached the actual market yet.

Hey dumbass with the reading disability! Your link cites 2022 figures. In a few hours, it will be 2024. In case you haven't noticed, that means a full calendar year has elapsed.

In 2022, I was dying with a failing liver. At the end of 2023, I am kicking ass and taking names with a new one! Times change, thank God!

 

[SavannahMann]

Hey dumbass with the reading disability! Your link cites 2022 figures. In a few hours, it will be 2024. In case you haven't noticed, that means a full calendar year has elapsed.

In 2022, I was dying with a failing liver. At the end of 2023, I am kicking ass and taking names with a new one! Times change, thank God!

It compares 2022 with 2023. Second quarter. And in one quarter of 2023 they had sold nearly half again as many cars of the same period of 2022.

According to Cox Automotive, U.S. EV sales (full battery electric) in Q2 2023 set a new record of 300,000 units, marking a 48% increase from Q2 2022.

One of us has a reading comprehension issue. And one of us doesn’t want to deal with any inconvenient facts that challenge our outlook.

Now if you were the CEO of any company and you reported a growth like that you would expect a big check for your bonus wouldn’t you?

 

[Captain Caveman]

Interesting.

Visualized: EV Market Share in the U.S.

Although sales have been climbing, EV market share in the U.S. remains low as a percentage of all vehicles registered on the road.

www.visualcapitalist.com

According to sales figures there was a 48% increase in EV sales.

I guess this dismal failure of a market hasn’t reached the actual market yet.

Yes, 48% sounds a really big figure, so for arguments sake, if you sold 25 cars, you've now sold 37.

You could say sales went up 100%, so now we've sold 2 cars this year.