When was the last time the left blamed the actual guy that killed 17 people?

[Wry Catcher]

removing men from the household has resulted in the handing out of medication to treat boys in school. Women can't handle the masculinity issues that arise and circumvent parenting with drugs.

The Drugging of the American Boy

"By the time they reach high school, nearly 20 percent of all American boys will be diagnosed with ADHD. Millions of those boys will be prescribed a powerful stimulant to "normalize" them. A great many of those boys will suffer serious side effects from those drugs. The shocking truth is that many of those diagnoses are wrong, and that most of those boys are being drugged for no good reason—simply for being boys. It's time we recognize this as a crisis."

again, the leftist view of the world has created this mess.Thanks feminists. those that march.

Ever been to a Major League Ball Park, or an NFL Stadium and see the mess left behind from tailgate parties? Lots of Bud and other beer cans and bottles, litter of all kind including grease covered coals - and these are adults.

I guess only "leftists" & "feminists" are slobs; I'm sure the parking lots at NASCAR, Indy and Daytona are left prestine.

Tailgaters pay a fee, which includes clean up.

just sayin

Yep, and it includes parking and the trash receptacles, which are not used by too many.

Been to many, hosted a bunch, never saw ANY left in the shape the morons left in our nations capital.

I doubt that. BTW, were you in DC and on the Mall on Saturday? If so, did you take pictures?

 

[Wry Catcher]

removing men from the household has resulted in the handing out of medication to treat boys in school. Women can't handle the masculinity issues that arise and circumvent parenting with drugs.

The Drugging of the American Boy

"By the time they reach high school, nearly 20 percent of all American boys will be diagnosed with ADHD. Millions of those boys will be prescribed a powerful stimulant to "normalize" them. A great many of those boys will suffer serious side effects from those drugs. The shocking truth is that many of those diagnoses are wrong, and that most of those boys are being drugged for no good reason—simply for being boys. It's time we recognize this as a crisis."

again, the leftist view of the world has created this mess.Thanks feminists. those that march.

Ever been to a Major League Ball Park, or an NFL Stadium and see the mess left behind from tailgate parties? Lots of Bud and other beer cans and bottles, litter of all kind including grease covered coals - and these are adults.

I guess only "leftists" & "feminists" are slobs; I'm sure the parking lots at NASCAR, Indy and Daytona are left prestine.

I never see anything like that after a game. ever. feel free to post up a view of one.

You're probably too drunk to notice.
Jacksonville lots trashed after Sunday's game

well maybe you missed this:

Jacksonville fans volunteered to come out and clean up the trash Monday morning.

So? Not all Americans are slobs. Have you ever been to Europe? Their main streets are clean, our nation's main streets are littered. Why is that?

 

[rshermn]

Seriously, does anyone even know? That commie propaganda march on Saturday did not have one sign blaming the actual guy or the failure of those government agencies that ignored at least 47 warnings.

Anyone else think that was deliberate? It was the fbi that ignored it right? We know for a fact what they are about. We also know the left love it when a tragedy happens where they can take full advantage.

Why is it so far fetched that that was deliberate? Well, when was the last time you saw anyone on the left blame the actual guy?

No ask why.

Deflection from the issue. "commie march" discredits the credibility by this poster in this thread and in any post in the future.

Mass murder by gun usually results in an arrest or death at the scene. Both are more severe than finger pointing. The Parkland shooter is charged with capital murder, 17 counts.

This whole thing is a deflection from the issue.

The true issue is why the past two generations have become so violent at school?

We can look at the common thread that is weaved into all these acts, that being ALL shooters were on phychiatric medication, but that would actually SOLVE the problem.

Is this true (ALL shooters were on psychiatric medication"). Please post that link.

If true, or even if some were, wouldn't it make sense for Hipaa to be modified and shrinks be required to report to a federal data base such persons are so medicated?

PSYCH DRUG SHOOTERS: Florida school shooter "was on medication," reports Miami Herald, just like nearly all other mass shooters

Been saying this for a while. Guns, (machine guns) have been a around for a LONG TIME NOW. Yet, over the years we have seen more frequent stories about these mass shootings. Almost all of them connected with an anti depressant (or other mind altering drugs) of some kind. It has certainly been linked and reported that this Cruz asshole was on a drug, prozac as far as we know now.

Consider Newtown, Connecticut, killer Adam Lanza (I will provide the names of perpetrators of older incidents), who killed 26 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2013. He also was on medication, according to family friend Louise Tambascio. That’s all we heard about it, however; as Kupelian points out, there “was little journalistic curiosity or follow-up.”

Really, you would do better telling the truth and not wasting people's time with lies. As all impartial sources write, me boy, Lanza was not on psychiatric medications. He refused them:
"Sandy Hook shooting: FBI files reveal mass killer Adam Lanza had paedophilic interest in children ...
The person also told the FBI agent Adam Lanza never accepted he had Asperger's syndrome, a condition on the autism spectrum, and never took medication he was prescribed

Sandy Hook shooting: FBI files reveal mass killer Adam Lanza had paedophilic interest in children ... The person also told the FBI agent Adam Lanza never accepted he had Asperger's syndrome, a condition on the autism spectrum, and never took medication he was prescribed

But there should be. As Kupelian also informs, “Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on — or just recently coming off of — psychiatric medications.” He then provides some examples (all quotations are Kupelian’s):

• “Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox — like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.” Along with fellow student Dylan Klebold, Harris shot 13 to death and wounded 24 in a headline-grabbing 1999 rampage. “Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox — that’s one in 25 — developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.”
Courts determined that LUVOX was not a causative issue for the killings.

• Twenty-five-year-old Patrick Purdy murdered five children and wounded 30 in a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989. He’d been taking “Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.”
No source suggests that thorazine was a causative agent in this case.

• “Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.” He took Prozac sporadically, and that drug was deemed to not be a cause of the killings.
Kip Kinkel - Special Education
WND’s Leo Hohmann adds to the picture, having reported in 2015 (all quotations are his):

• “Aaron Ray Ybarra, 26, of Mountlake Terrace, Washington, allegedly opened fire with a shotgun at Seattle Pacific University in June 2014, killing one student and wounding two others.” Ybarra “said he’d been prescribed with Prozac and Risperdal to help him with his problems.”
OK, but technically, on killing is not a mass shooting.

• “Jose Reyes, the Nevada seventh-grader who went on a shooting rampage at his school in October 2013 was taking a prescription antidepressant [Prozac] at the time….”


• “Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis sprayed bullets at office workers and in a cafeteria on Sept. 16, 2013, killing 13 people including himself. Alexis had been prescribed [generic antidepressant] Trazodone by his Veterans Affairs doctor.”

• “In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.”

• “In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.”

• “In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.”

• “47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.”

And there are many, many more examples.
Actually, no there are not.

Of course, also relating to correlation, there’s a chicken-or-egg question here: Is it that taking psychiatric drugs makes a person more likely to go crazy and commit murderous rampages, or is it that crazy people who are candidates for committing murderous rampages are more likely to be prescribed psychiatric drugs? In reality, most likely it’s both.

The truth is that because the human mind is complex and not wholly understood, taking mind-altering drugs is a risky proposition. Drug companies acknowledge this, too, mind you — just not very publicly. As Kupelian writes after relating the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in 2001 while on the antidepressant Effexor:

In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change. And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” — murderous thoughts — as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.

Then, after mentioning the case of 12-year-old Paxil user Christopher Pittman’s murder of his grandparents, Kupelian informs that “Paxil’s known ‘adverse drug reactions’ — according to the drug’s FDA-approved label — include ‘mania,’ ‘insomnia,’ ‘anxiety,’ ‘agitation,’ ‘confusion,’ ‘amnesia,’ ‘depression,’ ‘paranoid reaction,’ ‘psychosis,’ ‘hostility,’ ‘delirium,’ ‘hallucinations,’ ‘abnormal thinking,’ ‘depersonalization’ and ‘lack of emotion,’ among others.”

In fact, as Ch 2 WCGH had reported back in 2009, “One study shows a quarter of all children on drugs such as Paxil and Zoloft become dangerously violent and/or suicidal.” Below is a 2011 news report on the subject by WCNC.COM 6 News; it includes the story of Christopher Pittman.
School Shooters & Stabbings Committed by those on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

NICE SOURCE. A BIRCH SOCIETY PUBLICATION. JESUS, I JUST REALIZED WHERE YOU COPIED AND PASTED THIS LONG PIECE OF DRIVEL. WHICH I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO AUTHENTICATE. NO WONDER YOU DID NOT PROVIDE A LINK TO THE SOURCE.
I REALLY OBJECT TO PEOPLE WHO USE NUT CASE SOURCES OF ANY KIND, WHICH SHOW THEY HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO READ THERE STUFF. BECAUSE YOU CAN BELIEVE NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THESE SOURCES SAY. IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU USED IMPARTIAL SOURCES, YOU WOULD SHOW A BIT OF INTEGRITY.
HERE IS THE INFO ON THE LINK TO KUPELIAN'S ARTICLE WHICH YOU SIMPLY CUT AND PASTED. AND, IF YOU WANT, IT IS AN ARTICLE FOUND IN MANY NUT CASE CRAZY CON WEB SITES, BUT NOT ON ANY IMPARTIAL SITES:
The New American (TNA) is a print magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society (JBS), an organization which has been described as a radical right andfar-right organization.[2][3][4][5] The magazine was created in 1985 from the merger of two JBS magazines: American Opinion and The Review of the News.
The New American - Wikipedia

NOW THAT I KNOW THAT YOU POST FROM NUT CASE SOURCES, I WILL AVOID YOU AT ALL COSTS.

 

[Theowl32]

Deflection from the issue. "commie march" discredits the credibility by this poster in this thread and in any post in the future.

Mass murder by gun usually results in an arrest or death at the scene. Both are more severe than finger pointing. The Parkland shooter is charged with capital murder, 17 counts.

This whole thing is a deflection from the issue.

The true issue is why the past two generations have become so violent at school?

We can look at the common thread that is weaved into all these acts, that being ALL shooters were on phychiatric medication, but that would actually SOLVE the problem.

Is this true (ALL shooters were on psychiatric medication"). Please post that link.

If true, or even if some were, wouldn't it make sense for Hipaa to be modified and shrinks be required to report to a federal data base such persons are so medicated?

PSYCH DRUG SHOOTERS: Florida school shooter "was on medication," reports Miami Herald, just like nearly all other mass shooters

Been saying this for a while. Guns, (machine guns) have been a around for a LONG TIME NOW. Yet, over the years we have seen more frequent stories about these mass shootings. Almost all of them connected with an anti depressant (or other mind altering drugs) of some kind. It has certainly been linked and reported that this Cruz asshole was on a drug, prozac as far as we know now.

Consider Newtown, Connecticut, killer Adam Lanza (I will provide the names of perpetrators of older incidents), who killed 26 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2013. He also was on medication, according to family friend Louise Tambascio. That’s all we heard about it, however; as Kupelian points out, there “was little journalistic curiosity or follow-up.”

Really, you would do better telling the truth and not wasting people's time with lies. As all impartial sources write, me boy, Lanza was not on psychiatric medications. He refused them:
"Sandy Hook shooting: FBI files reveal mass killer Adam Lanza had paedophilic interest in children ...
The person also told the FBI agent Adam Lanza never accepted he had Asperger's syndrome, a condition on the autism spectrum, and never took medication he was prescribed

Sandy Hook shooting: FBI files reveal mass killer Adam Lanza had paedophilic interest in children ... The person also told the FBI agent Adam Lanza never accepted he had Asperger's syndrome, a condition on the autism spectrum, and never took medication he was prescribed

But there should be. As Kupelian also informs, “Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on — or just recently coming off of — psychiatric medications.” He then provides some examples (all quotations are Kupelian’s):

• “Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox — like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.” Along with fellow student Dylan Klebold, Harris shot 13 to death and wounded 24 in a headline-grabbing 1999 rampage. “Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox — that’s one in 25 — developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.”
Courts determined that LUVOX was not a causative issue for the killings.

• Twenty-five-year-old Patrick Purdy murdered five children and wounded 30 in a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989. He’d been taking “Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.”
No source suggests that thorazine was a causative agent in this case.

• “Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.” He took Prozac sporadically, and that drug was deemed to not be a cause of the killings.
Kip Kinkel - Special Education
WND’s Leo Hohmann adds to the picture, having reported in 2015 (all quotations are his):

• “Aaron Ray Ybarra, 26, of Mountlake Terrace, Washington, allegedly opened fire with a shotgun at Seattle Pacific University in June 2014, killing one student and wounding two others.” Ybarra “said he’d been prescribed with Prozac and Risperdal to help him with his problems.”
OK, but technically, on killing is not a mass shooting.

• “Jose Reyes, the Nevada seventh-grader who went on a shooting rampage at his school in October 2013 was taking a prescription antidepressant [Prozac] at the time….”


• “Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis sprayed bullets at office workers and in a cafeteria on Sept. 16, 2013, killing 13 people including himself. Alexis had been prescribed [generic antidepressant] Trazodone by his Veterans Affairs doctor.”

• “In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.”

• “In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.”

• “In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.”

• “47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.”

And there are many, many more examples.
Actually, no there are not.

Of course, also relating to correlation, there’s a chicken-or-egg question here: Is it that taking psychiatric drugs makes a person more likely to go crazy and commit murderous rampages, or is it that crazy people who are candidates for committing murderous rampages are more likely to be prescribed psychiatric drugs? In reality, most likely it’s both.

The truth is that because the human mind is complex and not wholly understood, taking mind-altering drugs is a risky proposition. Drug companies acknowledge this, too, mind you — just not very publicly. As Kupelian writes after relating the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in 2001 while on the antidepressant Effexor:

In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change. And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” — murderous thoughts — as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.

Then, after mentioning the case of 12-year-old Paxil user Christopher Pittman’s murder of his grandparents, Kupelian informs that “Paxil’s known ‘adverse drug reactions’ — according to the drug’s FDA-approved label — include ‘mania,’ ‘insomnia,’ ‘anxiety,’ ‘agitation,’ ‘confusion,’ ‘amnesia,’ ‘depression,’ ‘paranoid reaction,’ ‘psychosis,’ ‘hostility,’ ‘delirium,’ ‘hallucinations,’ ‘abnormal thinking,’ ‘depersonalization’ and ‘lack of emotion,’ among others.”

In fact, as Ch 2 WCGH had reported back in 2009, “One study shows a quarter of all children on drugs such as Paxil and Zoloft become dangerously violent and/or suicidal.” Below is a 2011 news report on the subject by WCNC.COM 6 News; it includes the story of Christopher Pittman.
School Shooters & Stabbings Committed by those on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

NICE SOURCE. A BIRCH SOCIETY PUBLICATION. JESUS, I JUST REALIZED WHERE YOU COPIED AND PASTED THIS LONG PIECE OF DRIVEL. WHICH I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO AUTHENTICATE. NO WONDER YOU DID NOT PROVIDE A LINK TO THE SOURCE.
I REALLY OBJECT TO PEOPLE WHO USE NUT CASE SOURCES OF ANY KIND, WHICH SHOW THEY HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO READ THERE STUFF. BECAUSE YOU CAN BELIEVE NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THESE SOURCES SAY. IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU USED IMPARTIAL SOURCES, YOU WOULD SHOW A BIT OF INTEGRITY.
HERE IS THE INFO ON THE LINK TO KUPELIAN'S ARTICLE WHICH YOU SIMPLY CUT AND PASTED. AND, IF YOU WANT, IT IS AN ARTICLE FOUND IN MANY NUT CASE CRAZY CON WEB SITES, BUT NOT ON ANY IMPARTIAL SITES:
The New American (TNA) is a print magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society (JBS), an organization which has been described as a radical right andfar-right organization.[2][3][4][5] The magazine was created in 1985 from the merger of two JBS magazines: American Opinion and The Review of the News.
The New American - Wikipedia

NOW THAT I KNOW THAT YOU POST FROM NUT CASE SOURCES, I WILL AVOID YOU AT ALL COSTS.

Yeap, and in classic left wing fashion attack the messenger, you pathetic demented ****.

http://mobile.wnd.com/2015/06/big-list-of-drug-induced-killers

That is how I got to that list and that is in my post you pathetic blob.

 

[Timmy]

Cons ask “why don’t libs blame the shooter “ ? Cons then full the thread by blaming , obama , promise project , ADD drugs , feds ...

 

[Pop23]

Cons ask “why don’t libs blame the shooter “ ? Cons then full the thread by blaming , obama , promise project , ADD drugs , feds ...

And you just proved how closed minded you are.

Yup

 

[rshermn]

Seriously, does anyone even know? That commie propaganda march on Saturday did not have one sign blaming the actual guy or the failure of those government agencies that ignored at least 47 warnings.

Anyone else think that was deliberate? It was the fbi that ignored it right? We know for a fact what they are about. We also know the left love it when a tragedy happens where they can take full advantage.

Why is it so far fetched that that was deliberate? Well, when was the last time you saw anyone on the left blame the actual guy?

No ask why.

Deflection from the issue. "commie march" discredits the credibility by this poster in this thread and in any post in the future.

Mass murder by gun usually results in an arrest or death at the scene. Both are more severe than finger pointing. The Parkland shooter is charged with capital murder, 17 counts.

This whole thing is a deflection from the issue.

The true issue is why the past two generations have become so violent at school?

We can look at the common thread that is weaved into all these acts, that being ALL shooters were on phychiatric medication, but that would actually SOLVE the problem.

Is this true (ALL shooters were on psychiatric medication"). Please post that link.

If true, or even if some were, wouldn't it make sense for Hipaa to be modified and shrinks be required to report to a federal data base such persons are so medicated?

PSYCH DRUG SHOOTERS: Florida school shooter "was on medication," reports Miami Herald, just like nearly all other mass shooters

ANOTHER CON who does not blame the shooter, but instead blames drugs.
You know, almost all shark killings are in shallow water. Must be the shallow water to blame.

 

[rshermn]

Cons ask “why don’t libs blame the shooter “ ? Cons then full the thread by blaming , obama , promise project , ADD drugs , feds ...

And only liberals, and experts say it was not those external variables, but the shooter.
Funny.

 

[JGalt]

Seriously, does anyone even know? That commie propaganda march on Saturday did not have one sign blaming the actual guy or the failure of those government agencies that ignored at least 47 warnings.

Anyone else think that was deliberate? It was the fbi that ignored it right? We know for a fact what they are about. We also know the left love it when a tragedy happens where they can take full advantage.

Why is it so far fetched that that was deliberate? Well, when was the last time you saw anyone on the left blame the actual guy?

No ask why.

Deflection from the issue. "commie march" discredits the credibility by this poster in this thread and in any post in the future.

Mass murder by gun usually results in an arrest or death at the scene. Both are more severe than finger pointing. The Parkland shooter is charged with capital murder, 17 counts.

This whole thing is a deflection from the issue.

The true issue is why the past two generations have become so violent at school?

We can look at the common thread that is weaved into all these acts, that being ALL shooters were on phychiatric medication, but that would actually SOLVE the problem.

Is this true (ALL shooters were on psychiatric medication"). Please post that link.

If true, or even if some were, wouldn't it make sense for Hipaa to be modified and shrinks be required to report to a federal data base such persons are so medicated?

PSYCH DRUG SHOOTERS: Florida school shooter "was on medication," reports Miami Herald, just like nearly all other mass shooters

ANOTHER CON who does not blame the shooter, but instead blames drugs.
You know, almost all shark killings are in shallow water. Must be the shallow water to blame.

Who cares? It could be the shooter or the drugs or anything else.

But it sure as hell wasn't the gun. No firearm ever jumped up and shot anyone on its own.

 

[rshermn]

The left considers the shooter a "victim" as much as they do the shooter's victims. That's why no mention of him.

Why mention him? He's in jail. He's a done deal. Not its time to take the next step in preventing anyone from owning assault rifles.

Dream on, Billy Boi. Not going to happen in your lifetime. There are roughly 10 million AR-15 rifles owned in this country right now.

Are you going to be the one who goes door to door to confiscate them? Let me know how that works out for you.

Why did you think that anyone was going to confiscate any gun, me boy. Been reading NRA talking points.

I'm personally not all that worried. Who would the left send to take em?

Not sure I'd want the job, and I'm damned sure you'd find zero volunteers from the progressive side (too busy gardening and shit)

Probably the same guy who is going to stop the invasion of the Klingons. Or maybe some other made up event.
Or maybe the same ones who confiscated guns the last time.
Oh yeah, that was an NRA hoax that did not happen, also.

 

[rshermn]

Deflection from the issue. "commie march" discredits the credibility by this poster in this thread and in any post in the future.

Mass murder by gun usually results in an arrest or death at the scene. Both are more severe than finger pointing. The Parkland shooter is charged with capital murder, 17 counts.

This whole thing is a deflection from the issue.

The true issue is why the past two generations have become so violent at school?

We can look at the common thread that is weaved into all these acts, that being ALL shooters were on phychiatric medication, but that would actually SOLVE the problem.

Is this true (ALL shooters were on psychiatric medication"). Please post that link.

If true, or even if some were, wouldn't it make sense for Hipaa to be modified and shrinks be required to report to a federal data base such persons are so medicated?

PSYCH DRUG SHOOTERS: Florida school shooter "was on medication," reports Miami Herald, just like nearly all other mass shooters

ANOTHER CON who does not blame the shooter, but instead blames drugs.
You know, almost all shark killings are in shallow water. Must be the shallow water to blame.

Who cares? It could be the shooter or the drugs or anything else.

But it sure as hell wasn't the gun. No firearm ever jumped up and shot anyone on its own.

Wow. That was profound. I am still looking for someone who thinks that a gun is wielded by a shooter. Truth is only cons suggest anyone believes that. Because truth is, no one does.

 

[Flash]

In the case of the Parkland shooter the deranged kid was 100% responsible.

The students that were killed or injured were put at risk by the Federal, County and city government because they didn't do the job they were paid to do.

We can't trust crazy people and we can't trust the government to protect us.

 

[westwall]

Seriously, does anyone even know? That commie propaganda march on Saturday did not have one sign blaming the actual guy or the failure of those government agencies that ignored at least 47 warnings.

Anyone else think that was deliberate? It was the fbi that ignored it right? We know for a fact what they are about. We also know the left love it when a tragedy happens where they can take full advantage.

Why is it so far fetched that that was deliberate? Well, when was the last time you saw anyone on the left blame the actual guy?

No ask why.

The sheriff and the school are even more culpable than the FBI. The sheriff responded to 39 calls that we know of. Any one of them, had they actually done what they are supposed to would have made him incapable of legally buying that AR.

 

[westwall]

Ever hear of “Kate’s Law”?

Spare me this bullshit where you righties imply you don’t blame the individual solely and not use an incident to further political issues .

Apples and oranges. The guy who killed Kate Steinle never should have been in this country.

And the guy who killed 17 at a high school shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun.

That dude in San Francisco shot ONE person and it was by accident. But you Righties sure ran with it .

The ILLEGAL ALIEN didn't shoot Kate Steinle by accident, he intentionally pulled the trigger. Only simple minded people can even begin to think that. We all agree that the kid shouldn't have been allowed to buy a gun. YOUR government FAILED to do their duty and by THEIR inaction, he was able to buy a gun, and murder people.

Government failure? CHECK.

 

[rshermn]

again, the leftist view of the world has created this mess.Thanks feminists. those that march.

Ever been to a Major League Ball Park, or an NFL Stadium and see the mess left behind from tailgate parties? Lots of Bud and other beer cans and bottles, litter of all kind including grease covered coals - and these are adults.

I guess only "leftists" & "feminists" are slobs; I'm sure the parking lots at NASCAR, Indy and Daytona are left prestine.

I never see anything like that after a game. ever. feel free to post up a view of one.

You're probably too drunk to notice.
Jacksonville lots trashed after Sunday's game

well maybe you missed this:

Jacksonville fans volunteered to come out and clean up the trash Monday morning.

So? Not all Americans are slobs. Have you ever been to Europe? Their main streets are clean, our nation's main streets are littered. Why is that?

Really, do you really wonder. I have spent lots of time in europe, Even asia. Here is the simple truth. They have areas of total garbage, but not where tourists go. In general, they are pretty cleaned up. Because they have companies that clean things up.
Or did you think it was the neat fairy?

 

[KissMy]

Republicans always support praise the police who failed to prevent the attacks & do nothing to stop an attack in progress. However police are very quick to shoot unarmed innocent people.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Deflection from the issue. "commie march" discredits the credibility by this poster in this thread and in any post in the future.

Mass murder by gun usually results in an arrest or death at the scene. Both are more severe than finger pointing. The Parkland shooter is charged with capital murder, 17 counts.

This whole thing is a deflection from the issue.

The true issue is why the past two generations have become so violent at school?

We can look at the common thread that is weaved into all these acts, that being ALL shooters were on phychiatric medication, but that would actually SOLVE the problem.

Is this true (ALL shooters were on psychiatric medication"). Please post that link.

If true, or even if some were, wouldn't it make sense for Hipaa to be modified and shrinks be required to report to a federal data base such persons are so medicated?

PSYCH DRUG SHOOTERS: Florida school shooter "was on medication," reports Miami Herald, just like nearly all other mass shooters

Been saying this for a while. Guns, (machine guns) have been a around for a LONG TIME NOW. Yet, over the years we have seen more frequent stories about these mass shootings. Almost all of them connected with an anti depressant (or other mind altering drugs) of some kind. It has certainly been linked and reported that this Cruz asshole was on a drug, prozac as far as we know now.

Consider Newtown, Connecticut, killer Adam Lanza (I will provide the names of perpetrators of older incidents), who killed 26 at Sandy Hook Elementary School in 2013. He also was on medication, according to family friend Louise Tambascio. That’s all we heard about it, however; as Kupelian points out, there “was little journalistic curiosity or follow-up.”

Really, you would do better telling the truth and not wasting people's time with lies. As all impartial sources write, me boy, Lanza was not on psychiatric medications. He refused them:
"Sandy Hook shooting: FBI files reveal mass killer Adam Lanza had paedophilic interest in children ...
The person also told the FBI agent Adam Lanza never accepted he had Asperger's syndrome, a condition on the autism spectrum, and never took medication he was prescribed

Sandy Hook shooting: FBI files reveal mass killer Adam Lanza had paedophilic interest in children ... The person also told the FBI agent Adam Lanza never accepted he had Asperger's syndrome, a condition on the autism spectrum, and never took medication he was prescribed

But there should be. As Kupelian also informs, “Fact: A disturbing number of perpetrators of school shootings and similar mass murders in our modern era were either on — or just recently coming off of — psychiatric medications.” He then provides some examples (all quotations are Kupelian’s):

• “Columbine mass-killer Eric Harris was taking Luvox — like Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft, Effexor and many others, a modern and widely prescribed type of antidepressant drug called selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs.” Along with fellow student Dylan Klebold, Harris shot 13 to death and wounded 24 in a headline-grabbing 1999 rampage. “Luvox manufacturer Solvay Pharmaceuticals concedes that during short-term controlled clinical trials, 4 percent of children and youth taking Luvox — that’s one in 25 — developed mania, a dangerous and violence-prone mental derangement characterized by extreme excitement and delusion.”
Courts determined that LUVOX was not a causative issue for the killings.

• Twenty-five-year-old Patrick Purdy murdered five children and wounded 30 in a schoolyard shooting rampage in Stockton, California, in 1989. He’d been taking “Amitriptyline, an antidepressant, as well as the antipsychotic drug Thorazine.”
No source suggests that thorazine was a causative agent in this case.

• “Kip Kinkel, 15, murdered his parents in 1998 and the next day went to his school, Thurston High in Springfield, Oregon, and opened fire on his classmates, killing two and wounding 22 others. He had been prescribed both Prozac and Ritalin.” He took Prozac sporadically, and that drug was deemed to not be a cause of the killings.
Kip Kinkel - Special Education
WND’s Leo Hohmann adds to the picture, having reported in 2015 (all quotations are his):

• “Aaron Ray Ybarra, 26, of Mountlake Terrace, Washington, allegedly opened fire with a shotgun at Seattle Pacific University in June 2014, killing one student and wounding two others.” Ybarra “said he’d been prescribed with Prozac and Risperdal to help him with his problems.”
OK, but technically, on killing is not a mass shooting.

• “Jose Reyes, the Nevada seventh-grader who went on a shooting rampage at his school in October 2013 was taking a prescription antidepressant [Prozac] at the time….”


• “Navy Yard shooter Aaron Alexis sprayed bullets at office workers and in a cafeteria on Sept. 16, 2013, killing 13 people including himself. Alexis had been prescribed [generic antidepressant] Trazodone by his Veterans Affairs doctor.”

• “In 1988, 31-year-old Laurie Dann went on a shooting rampage in a second-grade classroom in Winnetka, Ill., killing one child and wounding six. She had been taking the antidepressant Anafranil as well as Lithium, long used to treat mania.”

• “In Paducah, Kentucky, in late 1997, 14-year-old Michael Carneal, son of a prominent attorney, traveled to Heath High School and started shooting students in a prayer meeting taking place in the school’s lobby, killing three and leaving another paralyzed. Carneal reportedly was on Ritalin.”

• “In 2005, 16-year-old Jeff Weise, living on Minnesota’s Red Lake Indian Reservation, shot and killed nine people and wounded five others before killing himself. Weise had been taking Prozac.”

• “47-year-old Joseph T. Wesbecker, just a month after he began taking Prozac in 1989, shot 20 workers at Standard Gravure Corp. in Louisville, Kentucky, killing nine. Prozac-maker Eli Lilly later settled a lawsuit brought by survivors.”

And there are many, many more examples.
Actually, no there are not.

Of course, also relating to correlation, there’s a chicken-or-egg question here: Is it that taking psychiatric drugs makes a person more likely to go crazy and commit murderous rampages, or is it that crazy people who are candidates for committing murderous rampages are more likely to be prescribed psychiatric drugs? In reality, most likely it’s both.

The truth is that because the human mind is complex and not wholly understood, taking mind-altering drugs is a risky proposition. Drug companies acknowledge this, too, mind you — just not very publicly. As Kupelian writes after relating the case of Andrea Yates, who drowned her five children in 2001 while on the antidepressant Effexor:

In November 2005, more than four years after Yates drowned her children, Effexor manufacturer Wyeth Pharmaceuticals quietly added “homicidal ideation” to the drug’s list of “rare adverse events.” The Medical Accountability Network, a private nonprofit focused on medical ethics issues, publicly criticized Wyeth, saying Effexor’s “homicidal ideation” risk wasn’t well publicized and that Wyeth failed to send letters to doctors or issue warning labels announcing the change. And what exactly does “rare” mean in the phrase “rare adverse events”? The FDA defines it as occurring in less than one in 1,000 people. But since that same year 19.2 million prescriptions for Effexor were filled in the U.S., statistically that means thousands of Americans might experience “homicidal ideation” — murderous thoughts — as a result of taking just this one brand of antidepressant drug. Effexor is Wyeth’s best-selling drug, by the way, which in one recent year brought in over $3 billion in sales, accounting for almost a fifth of the company’s annual revenues.

Then, after mentioning the case of 12-year-old Paxil user Christopher Pittman’s murder of his grandparents, Kupelian informs that “Paxil’s known ‘adverse drug reactions’ — according to the drug’s FDA-approved label — include ‘mania,’ ‘insomnia,’ ‘anxiety,’ ‘agitation,’ ‘confusion,’ ‘amnesia,’ ‘depression,’ ‘paranoid reaction,’ ‘psychosis,’ ‘hostility,’ ‘delirium,’ ‘hallucinations,’ ‘abnormal thinking,’ ‘depersonalization’ and ‘lack of emotion,’ among others.”

In fact, as Ch 2 WCGH had reported back in 2009, “One study shows a quarter of all children on drugs such as Paxil and Zoloft become dangerously violent and/or suicidal.” Below is a 2011 news report on the subject by WCNC.COM 6 News; it includes the story of Christopher Pittman.
School Shooters & Stabbings Committed by those on Psychiatric Drugs | CCHR International

NICE SOURCE. A BIRCH SOCIETY PUBLICATION. JESUS, I JUST REALIZED WHERE YOU COPIED AND PASTED THIS LONG PIECE OF DRIVEL. WHICH I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO AUTHENTICATE. NO WONDER YOU DID NOT PROVIDE A LINK TO THE SOURCE.
I REALLY OBJECT TO PEOPLE WHO USE NUT CASE SOURCES OF ANY KIND, WHICH SHOW THEY HAVE NO CONCERN FOR THE PEOPLE WHO READ THERE STUFF. BECAUSE YOU CAN BELIEVE NOTHING ABOUT WHAT THESE SOURCES SAY. IF, ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU USED IMPARTIAL SOURCES, YOU WOULD SHOW A BIT OF INTEGRITY.
HERE IS THE INFO ON THE LINK TO KUPELIAN'S ARTICLE WHICH YOU SIMPLY CUT AND PASTED. AND, IF YOU WANT, IT IS AN ARTICLE FOUND IN MANY NUT CASE CRAZY CON WEB SITES, BUT NOT ON ANY IMPARTIAL SITES:
The New American (TNA) is a print magazine published twice a month by American Opinion Publishing Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary of the John Birch Society (JBS), an organization which has been described as a radical right andfar-right organization.[2][3][4][5] The magazine was created in 1985 from the merger of two JBS magazines: American Opinion and The Review of the News.
The New American - Wikipedia

NOW THAT I KNOW THAT YOU POST FROM NUT CASE SOURCES, I WILL AVOID YOU AT ALL COSTS.

A winner, informative and one more example of the total dishonesty of the bird brain.

Q. Why do right wingers need to lie

A. The truth gives the rare bird that does think, cognitive dissonance.

 

[boedicca]

We blame the perpetrator and ask what can be done to stop it from happening again

Conservatives offer thoughts and prayers

You are a LAIR!

The Prog response is like the old joke about the phases of a project:

1. Enthusiasm
2. Dissillusionment
3. Panic
4. Search for the guilty
5. Punishment of the innocent
6. Praise and honors for the non-participants

Updated for how the Progs react to a shooting:

1. Evaluation phase to see if the shooter is White Male Christian Aggressor or a Protected Minority Victim
2. Tweetstorms with #virtuesignal hashtags to show they "care"
3. Recruit Useful Idiot Tools to be Gun Control Spokesmodels
4. Blame the NRA
   
5. Advocate for Punishment of innocent gun-owners
6. Praise and honors for the Virtue Signalers with the Best Selfies

 

[JoeB131]

What does "military grade" mean? Scary looking?

You already called it a "machine gun" and I had to correct you on that. So what's up now?

Uh, you can try to pretend that a gun that can shoot 45 rounds a minute isn't a machine gun... but it's a machine gun.

But that's okay, man. Keep pissing yourself that kids are calling you on your stupidity.

You want to make it a "little harder" for a shooter to get a gun while making it impossible for anyone to defend themselves from a shooter.

What's wrong with that equation?

That the good guy with the gun never shows up, so he's not worth having around.

 

[kaz]

You want to make it a "little harder" for a shooter to get a gun while making it impossible for anyone to defend themselves from a shooter.

What's wrong with that equation?

That the good guy with the gun never shows up, so he's not worth having around.

Right, so let the victims defend themselves. Just another leftist who would scream like a school girl and pass out if you ever saw an actual gun much less touched one