When does race stop being an excuse? when does it stop?

[Stephanie]

The consensus of white conservatives on this board is now not just that Zimmerman was not guilty for lack of evidence,

but that Trayvon Martin was guilty of an assault that led to Zimmerman shooting him to save his own life,

despite the fact that the same lack of evidence precludes any such assumption of that being fact.

That is racism, period. There is no other rational explanation for such bias.

You're so full of shit. All the evidence supports GZ's story.

I'd like to know how he can see who is a white, black or polka dotted conservative on this board..so yes, he is always full of shit

 

[JRK]

That is your minuscule misguided believe that the verdict was racist. The second TM went inside then came out again to confront GZ, he gave GZ the right to shoot him if TM jumped GZ.

Your racism is pitiful.

And your ignorance is on full display. The word you were going for is "belief"...a noun, not a verb.
TM was a teen....a kid, being stalked by a psychopathic adult, armed with a gun, when he was only supposed to be a neighborhood "watchman".
Let another teen get shot...and watch the backlash. You'll wish you hadn't. Racist POS.

Where the fuck is the outrage when black teens shoot each other?
Interesting tidbit: in 2009, the city of Cincinnati had 55 homicides. The city is roughly 40% black, so you would expect 33 white victims and 22 black victims, right?

Nope! in 2009, 44 black males were homicide victims. So, the 11 had to be white, right?

Wrong again the 11 remaining victims were black females.

Watch this! A perfect example of the hypocrisy of your black "leaders".

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that is a sad event

 

[LoneLaugher]

The fake concern shown by some nutters for the plight of black men is bullshit. You are not interested in solutions to end "black on black" violence. You are only interested in using the stats to affirm your fucked up POV.

 

[Sunshine]

Of course you do. Anyone that sided with Zimmerman and/or was pleased with the verdict, is a racist, and a piss poor excuse for a human being. And that's the general consensus, like it or not. live with it.

That is your minuscule misguided believe that the verdict was racist. The second TM went inside then came out again to confront GZ, he gave GZ the right to shoot him if TM jumped GZ.

Your racism is pitiful.

And your ignorance is on full display. The word you were going for is "belief"...a noun, not a verb.
TM was a teen....a kid, being stalked by a psychopathic adult, armed with a gun, when he was only supposed to be a neighborhood "watchman".
Let another teen get shot...and watch the backlash. You'll wish you hadn't. Racist POS.

Good ole po It. Still alienating those who would be on his side~!

 

[Survivalist]

And your ignorance is on full display. The word you were going for is "belief"...a noun, not a verb.
TM was a teen....a kid, being stalked by a psychopathic adult, armed with a gun, when he was only supposed to be a neighborhood "watchman".
Let another teen get shot...and watch the backlash. You'll wish you hadn't. Racist POS.

What a champion for the Black cause you are! Your bias and ignorance is nicely displayed by your lengthy ignore list.

Blacks kill other Blacks almost all the time. Here is a nice video to watch to help inform and entertain you:



Have a nice day!

Not interested in videos posted by white racists.
And really? Blacks kill other blacks all the time????
Tell me why most mass murderers and serial killers are white? From John Wayne Gacy, to Jeffrey Dahmer. What about Aurora? Columbine? Sandy Hook? Those were all white killers, and they killed children. Nothing worse than that.
You're such the champion for the White cause, aren't you? LOLOLOLOLOL


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A doctor? How many people have you killed? Or ran over?

Not only do you not know what the facts are on who is killing who around the world, you could care less. There are many famous Black serial killers as in this partial list:

Black Serial/Mass/Spree Killer List:
1. Matthew Emanuel Macon (Murdered and Raped 5 White Women in Lansing)
2. Jimmie Reed (Murdered his wife and his 2 month old daughter and set them on fire)
3. Shelly Brooks (Murdered 7 prostitutes in Detroit Cass Corridor)
4. Justin Blackshere (Stabbed two white cooks at Cheli’s Chili downtown Detroit)
5. Jervon Miguel Coleman (Murdered three people.)
6. Donell Ramon Johnson (Murdered a mother and a daughter)
7. Brian Ranard Davis (6 women known murdered by him)
8. Paul Durousseau (Seven women)
9. Mark Goudeau “The Baseline Killer” (Eight women and a man in 2005-2006)
10. Coral Eugene Watts (11 women in Texas & 1 in Michigan)
11. Anthony McKnight (Five girls and young women)
12. Derrick Todd Lee (8 Women)
13. Charles Lendelle Carter (4 known murders; admits to ‘hunting’ Atlantans for 15 years!)
14. The Zebra Killings (71 White people)
15. Chester Turner (L.A.s most prolific killer 12 women killed.)
16. Lorenzo J. Gilyard (Kansas City, MO.—13 victims)
17. Eugene Victor Britt (Gary, IN.–3 known murder/rapes.)
18. Reginald and Jonathan Carr (The Wichita Massacre–6 Whites murdered)
19. Ray Joseph Dandridge and his uncle, Ricky Gevon Gray (Richmond, VA.–Murdered 7 people in 7 days, including an entire White family.)
20. The Tinley Park Murderer (Suspect hasn’t been found but has been described as black – murdered 5 women in a store.)
21. Henry Louis Wallace (Raped and strangled 5 women to death.)
22. Charles Johnston (Murdered 3 unarmed white men in hospital)
23. Craig Price (Brutally murdered 3 women)
24. Harrison Graham (Brually Murdered 3 women)
25. Charles Lee “Cookie” Thornton (Murdered 6 Whites at the Kirkwood, MO. city council. )
26. & 27. Darnell Hartsfeld & Romeo Pinkerton (Abducted and Murdered 5 from a restaurant)
28 &29. John Allen Muhammad & Lee Boyd Malvo (Sniped 11 people from a car in DC, 9 died.)
30. George Russell (3 women, WA state)
31. Timothy W. Spencer (5 killed, Arlington, VA and Richmond, VA)
32. Elton M. Jackson (12 gay men killed, Norfolk, VA area)
33. Carlton Gary (3 killed in Columbus, GA)
34. Mohammed Adam Omar (16 women, Yemen. Omar is Sudanese.)
35. Kendall Francois (8 women, Poughkeepsie, NY and surrounding areas.)
36. Terry A. Blair (8 women, Kansas City area)
37. Wayne Williams (33 many of them children!, Atlanta, GA)
38. Vaughn Greenwood (11 killed in LA)
39. Andre Crawford (10 killed in Chicago – southside)
40. Calvin Jackson (9 killed possibley more in NY)
41. Gregory Klepper (killed 8, Chicago – southside)
42. Alton Coleman (Killed 8 in the Midwest)
43. Harrison Graham (killed 7+ in N. Philadelphia)
44. Cleophus Prince (6 killed in, San Diego
45. Robert Rozier (7 killed in, Miami)
46. Maurice Byrd (killed 20 + in St. Louis)
47. Maury Travis (17 and rising, St. Louis and possibly also Atlanta)
48. Hulon Mitchell, a.k.a. Yahweh Ben Yahweh (killed 20+ in Florida)
49. Lorenzo Fayne (killed 5 children in East St. Louis, IL)
50. Paul Durousseau, (killed 6, two of which were pregnant women, Jacksonville, FL; Georgia.)
51. Eddie Lee Mosley (killed 25 to 30 women, south Florida)
52. Henry Lee Jones (killed 4 in, south Florida; Bartlett, TN)
53. Richard “Babyface” Jameswhite (15 killed in, New York; Georgia.)
54. Donald E. Younge, Jr. (killed 4), East St. Louis, IL; Salt Lake City, UT.
55. Ivan Hill (killed 6 in Los Angeles area).
56. Michael Vernon (Bronx, NY. Killed at least seven people – )
57. Chester Dewayne Turner (12 women killed in, Los Angeles)

Sorry, but I haven't killed anyone, not even by accident. I also don't go around after dark wearing criminal clothes, or get in people's faces on the street, punch them out and bash their brains in.

 

[JRK]

The consensus of white conservatives on this board is now not just that Zimmerman was not guilty for lack of evidence,

but that Trayvon Martin was guilty of an assault that led to Zimmerman shooting him to save his own life,

despite the fact that the same lack of evidence precludes any such assumption of that being fact.

That is racism, period. There is no other rational explanation for such bias.

You're so full of shit. All the evidence supports GZ's story.

athe entire event is blown so out of porpotion
TV says "hello" the second he see Zim the second he sees him, he lives today
TV for some reason felt he had to beat him up
why?
we will never know
but we know this, never bring that to a gun fight
I mean no dis respect, but TV at some point in time knocked the shit out of GZ, then commenced to beat him up

People say GZ should have remained in his car also
why?
he has as much right as TV to be out ther
as TV had the same right
what if GZ asks "hey whats up"
does TV still beat the sh-- out of him?
for some reason TV thought the "white cracker" was following him
why did not he just ask GZ why was he following him?
Why did he not wait until the police arrive?

This is nmot rocket science
for some reason TV (no matter the why) was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ got scared and killed him
any grown man will tell you the worst man to fight with is a scared man

 

[Sunshine]

The fake concern shown by some nutters for the plight of black men is bullshit. You are not interested in solutions to end "black on black" violence. You are only interested in using the stats to affirm your fucked up POV.

If black men are unwilling to step up and solve the problem what exactly do you expect whites to do about it? Li'l Trayvon is a prime example of what happens. He was found at school with cannabis and stolen jewelry. Did he get sent to juvie? O HELL no. Can't do that with a black. Gotta lower their conviction numbers. So, he is let go free, enabled, sent to live with yet another person who couldn't control him. If they had sent him to juvie instead he would likely still be alive.

It doesn't matter how or how much you manipulate the numbers to show that black crime is proportional to that of white crime, it isn't, and won't be unless and until YOU and YOUR FELLOW BLACKS step up to the plate and make the changes in your culture and your core beliefs.

 

[Ernie S.]

The fake concern shown by some nutters for the plight of black men is bullshit. You are not interested in solutions to end "black on black" violence. You are only interested in using the stats to affirm your fucked up POV.

It is not White America's responsibility to ensure black children grow up in 2 parent families, get a good education, have good social values instilled in them and learn a strong work ethic.
These are things parents and the black community should be doing. We don't need another federal program, throwing more money at it won't fix it.
What needs to happen is for the black community to look to men like Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, Martin Luther King and Thomas Sowell as role models instead of Jessi Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Malik Zulu Shabazz.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Of course you do. Anyone that sided with Zimmerman and/or was pleased with the verdict, is a racist, and a piss poor excuse for a human being. And that's the general consensus, like it or not. live with it.

That is your minuscule misguided believe that the verdict was racist. The second TM went inside then came out again to confront GZ, he gave GZ the right to shoot him if TM jumped GZ.

Your racism is pitiful.

And your ignorance is on full display. The word you were going for is "belief"...a noun, not a verb.
TM was a teen....a kid, being stalked by a psychopathic adult, armed with a gun, when he was only supposed to be a neighborhood "watchman".
Let another teen get shot...and watch the backlash. You'll wish you hadn't. Racist POS.

Your racism has nothing to do with my spelling. Address the OP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is your minuscule misguided believe that the verdict was racist. The second TM went inside then came out again to confront GZ, he gave GZ the right to shoot him if TM jumped GZ.

Your racism is pitiful.

And your ignorance is on full display. The word you were going for is "belief"...a noun, not a verb.
TM was a teen....a kid, being stalked by a psychopathic adult, armed with a gun, when he was only supposed to be a neighborhood "watchman".
Let another teen get shot...and watch the backlash. You'll wish you hadn't. Racist POS.

Where the fuck is the outrage when black teens shoot each other?

fauxrage and falsecomparison; stay on OP

 

[JRK]

The fake concern shown by some nutters for the plight of black men is bullshit. You are not interested in solutions to end "black on black" violence. You are only interested in using the stats to affirm your fucked up POV.

It is not White America's responsibility to ensure black children grow up in 2 parent families, get a good education, have good social values instilled in them and learn a strong work ethic.
These are things parents and the black community should be doing. We don't need another federal program, throwing more money at it won't fix it.
What needs to happen is for the black community to look to men like Walter Williams, Bill Cosby, Martin Luther King and Thomas Sowell as role models instead of Jessi Jackson, Al Sharpton, Louis Farrakhan and Malik Zulu Shabazz.

the worst of the bunch is Obama
what a wasted chance to make a difference
If I was him I would be in Chicago once a month telling it like it is
He caould have made such a difference like RR did

 

[Ernie S.]

fauxrage and falsecomparison; stay on OP

who said that?

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am telling you to stop the fauxrage and stay on topic, Ernie S.

Your comments, like the reactionary fauxrage throughout the county, no longer have relevance when you make nonsensical comments. Black on black, white on white is not racism.

Racism infects all of America, including liberals and reactionaries.

You and poet are the flip sides of the same coin: despicable.

 

[Ernie S.]

So, that puts you right in the middle between despicable and despicable, am I right?
The point of the post was to try to force you to attribute quotes. It would be courteous and ethical to use the quote function properly so people could look back and get context and assure that some slime is not altering the words of another.
It's just the intellectually honest thing to do.
I have no idea why I would expect any virtue from you, but I expect all people to treat others in an honest and ethical manner.
I find your principles Fake and your ethics Smarmy, hence, you are FakeSmarmy.

I'm also amazed that the board allows someone who passes out negative rep to disallow responses via PM. I find that quite cowardly.
In a couple hours, you will receive a return neg to which you will be able to respond, if you so choose.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Ernie S., read the rules and follow them, instead of trying to be in charge.

You, sir, have no idea what honesty and ethics mean, as you have demonstrated your entire time on the board.

You are whinging about rep, when you neg out of the dark? Son, this is why you are considered irrelevant.

Now to the topic:

(1) race has to stop being an excuse

(2) GZ killed TM because TM was whipping GZ's ass, not because TM was black.

(3) liberals such as poet and reactionaries such as Ernie S., if they wish to have any relevance at all in discussion, need to leave of the race card.

Let's see if Ernie S. and poet can grow up.

 

[ClosedCaption]

The consensus of white conservatives on this board is now not just that Zimmerman was not guilty for lack of evidence,

but that Trayvon Martin was guilty of an assault that led to Zimmerman shooting him to save his own life,

despite the fact that the same lack of evidence precludes any such assumption of that being fact.

That is racism, period. There is no other rational explanation for such bias.

You're so full of shit. All the evidence supports GZ's story.

athe entire event is blown so out of porpotion
TV says "hello" the second he see Zim the second he sees him, he lives today
TV for some reason felt he had to beat him up
why?
we will never know
but we know this, never bring that to a gun fight
I mean no dis respect, but TV at some point in time knocked the shit out of GZ, then commenced to beat him up

People say GZ should have remained in his car also
why?
he has as much right as TV to be out ther
as TV had the same right
what if GZ asks "hey whats up"
does TV still beat the sh-- out of him?
for some reason TV thought the "white cracker" was following him
why did not he just ask GZ why was he following him?
Why did he not wait until the police arrive?

This is nmot rocket science
for some reason TV (no matter the why) was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ got scared and killed him
any grown man will tell you the worst man to fight with is a scared man

All that is understood. The problem with the stand your ground law is that Zimmerman KNEW and studied that law a lot. He knew that if he felt in danger he can shoot someone in self defense.

Here's the problem conservatives like to ignore: This isn't about "you cant defend yourself" which is why that is a popular talking point. Bumper sticker sized. Short.

The problem is someone like GZ can walk around with a gun. Pick a fight with someone and when on the losing end of that fight shoots them. That's the problem. Zimmerman was big and bad with the gun on his hip because if anyone he confronts gets the best of him he'll just start killing.

That is the flaw in that law.

 

[Sunshine]

You're so full of shit. All the evidence supports GZ's story.

athe entire event is blown so out of porpotion
TV says "hello" the second he see Zim the second he sees him, he lives today
TV for some reason felt he had to beat him up
why?
we will never know
but we know this, never bring that to a gun fight
I mean no dis respect, but TV at some point in time knocked the shit out of GZ, then commenced to beat him up

People say GZ should have remained in his car also
why?
he has as much right as TV to be out ther
as TV had the same right
what if GZ asks "hey whats up"
does TV still beat the sh-- out of him?
for some reason TV thought the "white cracker" was following him
why did not he just ask GZ why was he following him?
Why did he not wait until the police arrive?

This is nmot rocket science
for some reason TV (no matter the why) was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ got scared and killed him
any grown man will tell you the worst man to fight with is a scared man

All that is understood. The problem with the stand your ground law is that Zimmerman KNEW and studied that law a lot. He knew that if he felt in danger he can shoot someone in self defense.

Here's the problem conservatives like to ignore: This isn't about "you cant defend yourself" which is why that is a popular talking point. Bumper sticker sized. Short.

The problem is someone like GZ can walk around with a gun. Pick a fight with someone and when on the losing end of that fight shoots them. That's the problem. Zimmerman was big and bad with the gun on his hip because if anyone he confronts gets the best of him he'll just start killing.

That is the flaw in that law.

So anyone who knows the law has no right to its protection? And FYI SYG was not part of the Zimmerman trial. The defense's sole defense was self defense.

 

[ClosedCaption]

athe entire event is blown so out of porpotion
TV says "hello" the second he see Zim the second he sees him, he lives today
TV for some reason felt he had to beat him up
why?
we will never know
but we know this, never bring that to a gun fight
I mean no dis respect, but TV at some point in time knocked the shit out of GZ, then commenced to beat him up

People say GZ should have remained in his car also
why?
he has as much right as TV to be out ther
as TV had the same right
what if GZ asks "hey whats up"
does TV still beat the sh-- out of him?
for some reason TV thought the "white cracker" was following him
why did not he just ask GZ why was he following him?
Why did he not wait until the police arrive?

This is nmot rocket science
for some reason TV (no matter the why) was beating the crap out of GZ and GZ got scared and killed him
any grown man will tell you the worst man to fight with is a scared man

All that is understood. The problem with the stand your ground law is that Zimmerman KNEW and studied that law a lot. He knew that if he felt in danger he can shoot someone in self defense.

Here's the problem conservatives like to ignore: This isn't about "you cant defend yourself" which is why that is a popular talking point. Bumper sticker sized. Short.

The problem is someone like GZ can walk around with a gun. Pick a fight with someone and when on the losing end of that fight shoots them. That's the problem. Zimmerman was big and bad with the gun on his hip because if anyone he confronts gets the best of him he'll just start killing.

That is the flaw in that law.

So anyone who knows the law has no right to its protection? And FYI SYG was not part of the Zimmerman trial. The defense's sole defense was self defense.

Do you have a point or just trolling?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Closed Caption, Sunshine is right about this. The second TM came back outside he gave up his protection of the law if he attacked GZ. And that is what the jury believed.

 

[Sunshine]

All that is understood. The problem with the stand your ground law is that Zimmerman KNEW and studied that law a lot. He knew that if he felt in danger he can shoot someone in self defense.

Here's the problem conservatives like to ignore: This isn't about "you cant defend yourself" which is why that is a popular talking point. Bumper sticker sized. Short.

The problem is someone like GZ can walk around with a gun. Pick a fight with someone and when on the losing end of that fight shoots them. That's the problem. Zimmerman was big and bad with the gun on his hip because if anyone he confronts gets the best of him he'll just start killing.

That is the flaw in that law.

So anyone who knows the law has no right to its protection? And FYI SYG was not part of the Zimmerman trial. The defense's sole defense was self defense.

Do you have a point or just trolling?

I do believe it is you who is the troll. You stated that Zimmerman shouldn't be allowed SYG because he knew the law. Well, I know the law. There are several on here who know the law. So it would seem that it should be open season on us all and we should just lie down and let someone kill us. Well, here's a flash. It won't happen. If I have to choose between my life and yours, I will choose mine every single time. Knowing the law does not mean that we cannot avail ourselves of every single protection that a person who doesn't know the law has. If I wake up in the night and you have broken into my house, I hope you won't have bet your rent money that you will walk out alive. In my state, I don't have to retreat 'to the farthest corner of my house' before I shoot an intruder stone dead. The law presumes that if someone breaks into my house, they are there to do me harm and I have every right to kill them, with a gun, with a rock, with a knife, with a baseball bat, with a long hat pin stuck into the heart. So, see, not only have I learned the law, I have thought of how I will protect myself. I'm not really sure if we have SYG outside the Castle Doctrine or not. But, early next week, my congressman is going to get an email from me asking that we not be left defenseless in our homes and on our own property. On, and did you know in KY if someone is on the way to set your house on fire, you can use deadly force. Sucks shit for street thugs doesn't it?