What weight do you believe that "world opinion" or the views of the "international community"?

[JBG]

Israel, a country about the size of New Jersey, has been frequently demonized by "world opinion" for having the gumption to stand up for itself against the death cult that would murder and eliminate the Jews. There is no evidence that Hamas pines for the dignity of a state, to live side by side with other states. Hamas, and many Gazans, want the Jews dead. Graveyards are very peaceful. The Jews should not consign themselves to the peace of the grave, to make the "international community" happy. "World opinion" appears to rationalize random massacre and rape as a legitimate rebellion against "colonialist settler oppression." The same people seem to have no problem with:

1. Chinese occupation of Tibet;
2. USSR (and now Russian) attempted occupation of Ukraine, and post-WW II occupation of the Kurile Islands;
3. Czechoslovakia's exiling of the Sudeten Germans;
4. The butchery of Nigerian Christians by the Nigerian Muslims.

Let's discuss "world opinion." "World opinion" is largely a chimera. The terms "world opinion" or the "International community" come are easy to come to the lips or the fingertips (rhyme not intentional). There is little or no analysis of what either term means, or what constitutes the "international community" or "world opinion." This has allowed for some extremely weak thought processes and reasoning.The world's population is over seven and one half billion people. I don't think any reputable pollsters are out gauging the opinion of the people of the world on any given topic.

By necessity, the views of the "international community" are taken as the view of the "leaders" of countries, typically at the U.N. level or from statements to the media by the actual heads of state or prime ministers. As anyone listening to the opening speeches at the U.N. General Assembly knows, some of these speeches border on deranged. And how many of these "leaders" are elected? How many are thugs that elbowed their way into power?

As for the opinion of actual people, how would it be influenced if they knew who the donors of foreign aid were? This is a link to a map of donor countries (link). Would it surprise anyone here that the top ten donor countries are all Western democracies? Is anyone surprised that Israel had the first mobile hospital units (link) on the scenes of the Haiti earthquake and Philippine typhoon?

Not that the opinion of the actual people would be much better; the Russian pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th Century against the Jews, and the Nazi Holocaust had broad support.

In simplistic terms, there is a difference between right and wrong. Israel, the U.S. and the rest of the West are not perfect. They are more often right than wrong. A lot more.

 

[MarcATL]

What happens if you agree w/the world opinion OP?

Have you stopped to consider that?

 

[JBG]

What happens if you agree w/the world opinion OP?

Have you stopped to consider that?

Can bulls give birth to calves? Can drakes or ganders lay eggs?

 

[MarcATL]

Can bulls give birth to calves? Can drakes or ganders lay eggs?

What are you trying to say? Spell it out.

 

[IM2]

Israel is not the innocent victim OP.

 

[Shusha]

By necessity, the views of the "international community" are taken as the view of the "leaders" of countries, typically at the U.N. level or from statements to the media by the actual heads of state or prime ministers. ...

As for the opinion of actual people, how would it be influenced if ...

Not unexpectedly, I have many thoughts. Here's my opener:

The greatest danger of "world opinion" is that it tends toward "the more popular an opinion is, the more moral it is". It lends itself more readily to emotional appeals, lack of critical thinking, and the propagation of not-facts.

 

[cascades]

Can bulls give birth to calves? Can drakes or ganders lay eggs?

You discussed views and opinions in your OP, but then you switched to facts. Two different things.

 

[USAF 2023]

Israel, a country about the size of New Jersey, has been frequently demonized by "world opinion" for having the gumption to stand up for itself against the death cult that would murder and eliminate the Jews. There is no evidence that Hamas pines for the dignity of a state, to live side by side with other states. Hamas, and many Gazans, want the Jews dead. Graveyards are very peaceful. The Jews should not consign themselves to the peace of the grave, to make the "international community" happy. "World opinion" appears to rationalize random massacre and rape as a legitimate rebellion against "colonialist settler oppression." The same people seem to have no problem with:

1. Chinese occupation of Tibet;
2. USSR (and now Russian) attempted occupation of Ukraine, and post-WW II occupation of the Kurile Islands;
3. Czechoslovakia's exiling of the Sudeten Germans;
4. The butchery of Nigerian Christians by the Nigerian Muslims.

Let's discuss "world opinion." "World opinion" is largely a chimera. The terms "world opinion" or the "International community" come are easy to come to the lips or the fingertips (rhyme not intentional). There is little or no analysis of what either term means, or what constitutes the "international community" or "world opinion." This has allowed for some extremely weak thought processes and reasoning.The world's population is over seven and one half billion people. I don't think any reputable pollsters are out gauging the opinion of the people of the world on any given topic.

By necessity, the views of the "international community" are taken as the view of the "leaders" of countries, typically at the U.N. level or from statements to the media by the actual heads of state or prime ministers. As anyone listening to the opening speeches at the U.N. General Assembly knows, some of these speeches border on deranged. And how many of these "leaders" are elected? How many are thugs that elbowed their way into power?

As for the opinion of actual people, how would it be influenced if they knew who the donors of foreign aid were? This is a link to a map of donor countries (link). Would it surprise anyone here that the top ten donor countries are all Western democracies? Is anyone surprised that Israel had the first mobile hospital units (link) on the scenes of the Haiti earthquake and Philippine typhoon?

Not that the opinion of the actual people would be much better; the Russian pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th Century against the Jews, and the Nazi Holocaust had broad support.

In simplistic terms, there is a difference between right and wrong. Israel, the U.S. and the rest of the West are not perfect. They are more often right than wrong. A lot more.

I might be wrong but I think you left something off your list; Slavery in the Sudan. Every time I hear those words “ International Law” I laugh In reality; it never existed

 

[JBG]

What are you trying to say? Spell it out.

I do not believe in adhering to world opinion. That is what I’m trying to say.

 

[Zebra]

Israel, a country about the size of New Jersey, has been frequently demonized by "world opinion" for having the gumption to stand up for itself against the death cult that would murder and eliminate the Jews. There is no evidence that Hamas pines for the dignity of a state, to live side by side with other states. Hamas, and many Gazans, want the Jews dead. Graveyards are very peaceful. The Jews should not consign themselves to the peace of the grave, to make the "international community" happy. "World opinion" appears to rationalize random massacre and rape as a legitimate rebellion against "colonialist settler oppression." The same people seem to have no problem with:

1. Chinese occupation of Tibet;
2. USSR (and now Russian) attempted occupation of Ukraine, and post-WW II occupation of the Kurile Islands;
3. Czechoslovakia's exiling of the Sudeten Germans;
4. The butchery of Nigerian Christians by the Nigerian Muslims.

Let's discuss "world opinion." "World opinion" is largely a chimera. The terms "world opinion" or the "International community" come are easy to come to the lips or the fingertips (rhyme not intentional). There is little or no analysis of what either term means, or what constitutes the "international community" or "world opinion." This has allowed for some extremely weak thought processes and reasoning.The world's population is over seven and one half billion people. I don't think any reputable pollsters are out gauging the opinion of the people of the world on any given topic.

By necessity, the views of the "international community" are taken as the view of the "leaders" of countries, typically at the U.N. level or from statements to the media by the actual heads of state or prime ministers. As anyone listening to the opening speeches at the U.N. General Assembly knows, some of these speeches border on deranged. And how many of these "leaders" are elected? How many are thugs that elbowed their way into power?

As for the opinion of actual people, how would it be influenced if they knew who the donors of foreign aid were? This is a link to a map of donor countries (link). Would it surprise anyone here that the top ten donor countries are all Western democracies? Is anyone surprised that Israel had the first mobile hospital units (link) on the scenes of the Haiti earthquake and Philippine typhoon?

Not that the opinion of the actual people would be much better; the Russian pogroms of the late 19th and early 20th Century against the Jews, and the Nazi Holocaust had broad support.

In simplistic terms, there is a difference between right and wrong. Israel, the U.S. and the rest of the West are not perfect. They are more often right than wrong. A lot more.

good that you mention the Sudeten Germans
they are often forgotten

 

[Ringo]

 

[JBG]

good that you mention the Sudeten Germans
they are often forgotten

Hypocrisy and double standards are rife. And the Jews always lose.