What We Can Learn From Norway’s Prison System: Rehabilitation & Recidivism

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So I am conducting some searches on legal matters regarding my upcoming Separation/Divorce and I am finding some very good sources on a wide array of subjects, and in truth, these sources make me realize that Canada is failing on too many levels.

Conservatism requires more logical thinking, definitely more libertarianism and a reversal of horrible, unsuccessful policies of "revenge", rather than helping citizens and national interests excel.

My opinion is that Canada and definitely the U.S would improve their economic success by altering their prison system to focus on rehabilitation instead of bare, unsuccessful punishment.

Norway in the 1990s has the 70% recidivism that America has, now they are down to 20%! No wonder they have one of the highest GDPs in the world, they are able to leverage all of their talent. Forgiveness and redemption are vital not just for the soul, but for a nations future.

Look at Norways GDP per capita and even moreso, their PPP which is over $100k a year! They don't need to be a big population to have a dominant personal life.

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That's a higher average than Canada and America. Maybe I am becoming just a little more progressive in life as I get closer to G-d, I don't know, but there is a lack of humanity around us and the old way of operating is not helping us become as successful and enjoy as long a life as we could.

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In the 1990’s, Norway had a problem. Roughly 70% of all released prisoners recommitted crimes within two years of release. That rate is nearly equal to the recidivism rate in the United States today.



At that time, Norway’s prison system was structured similar to the prison system in the United States. It was built on the idea that punishment is a deterrent. Prisoners were often given lengthy sentences in harsh conditions to send a message to others.



However, Norwegian lawmakers realized that the existing system wasn’t working. Crime was high, as was recidivism. Prisons were plagued with assaults, riots, and escapes. The system needed reform.



Norway’s government acted boldly, completely overhauling the country’s prison system. Today, Norway's prison system has become a model for the rest of the world, and some states in the U.S. are following Norway’s lead. Norway’s recidivism rate is much lower and prisons are now safer and more peaceful.


Impact on Norway’s Recidivism Rate​


Before Norway’s prison reforms in the 1990s, the country had a recidivism rate in the range of 60% - 70%. Today, Norway’s recidivism rate based on re-conviction within two years is 20%, the lowest rate in the world.
 
Norway is dealing with a bunch of Norwegians where as the USA is dealing with every type of criminal you can think of from every country you can think of.

Big Difference !
Read the article, it is apples to apples in that Norway had a recitivism of 70%, as high as America, it is now the lowest in the world at 20%.

They have the same issues to deal with and prescribe different solutions. Their citizens leave even long term stays in prison with college degrees, able to sit and study all day and learn. They also go through psychological/counselling, a major focus to get them back on track and CONTRIBUTE rather than just be a waste of a life.

This is holy. This is Judeo-Christian theology. So, why have we abandoned it for some desire to seek permanent destruction of a humans life and soul?
 
Read the article, it is apples to apples in that Norway had a recitivism of 70%, as high as America, it is now the lowest in the world at 20%.

Thier 70 % doesn't change the fact they are all the same culture.

We can even keep litter out of the streets let alone change some who from a long line of a criminal family.
 
Thier 70 % doesn't change the fact they are all the same culture.

We can even keep litter out of the streets let alone change some who from a long line of a criminal family.
Norway is not just one culture. Again, that one culture you suggest was 70% now down to 20% and it has probably become MORE multicultural in the 30+ years that passed.

We are doing it wrong. We are a nasty, vexatious people in North America in regards to the application of justice and policing.

Check this out as I did a Chat GPT search:

The annual cost of policing and incarceration in the U.S. is substantial, the total burden of the criminal justice system is estimated at $1.2 trillion annually.

Excessive policing and long prison sentences contribute significantly to these costs. For example, local governments spent 87% of police budgets in 2021.


These figures don’t account for indirect costs, like the economic impact on families or communities, or the fact that nearly half of correctional spending goes to staff salaries, creating a powerful lobby against reform. Policies like excessive fines, fees, and predatory pricing further exacerbate costs for low-income communities, perpetuating cycles of poverty and incarceration. Despite these expenditures, violent crime rates have remained steady or slightly increased over the past decade, and recidivism rates hover around 50%, suggesting that the current system is not delivering proportional safety or rehabilitation benefits.
 
What % of their criminal system are ghetto rats ?
So you are suggesting America become a socialist country? That's the best way to avoid the lowest of socio-economic status and the calamity that comes with it. I'm not a socialist, at least as far as Communist, unaccountable centralized power goes. I have an analytical view of the human condition though.

The fact is that I am starting to respect the planning and social/education initiatives of Scandinavian nations. They may not produce as many billionaires but they do a hell of a good job building a powerful Middle Class.

Canada and America have FAR greater poverty rates.

Check this out:

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So you are suggesting America become a socialist country? That's the best way to avoid the lowest of socio-economic status and the calamity that comes with it. I'm not a socialist, at least as far as Communist, unaccountable centralized power goes. I have an analytical view of the human condition though.

The fact is that I am starting to respect the planning and social/education initiatives of Scandinavian nations. They may not produce as many billionaires but they do a hell of a good job building a powerful Middle Class.

Canada and America have FAR greater poverty rates.

Check this out:

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I think you know what he's getting at and I am surprised you being so elusive in your answers.

The lapland countries have cultural norms that we could stand to have here. It is the lack of a willingness to adopt expectations that is creating the criminal class we now have.

I don't see us incarcerating or executing as a deterent. It's simply this.....the law defines consequences....you break the law.....you get the consequences.

I would love to see a program where we rehabilitate. But, I think there is much more to it than that.
 
Here in the United States, there are plenty of people that would like to learn a technical trade or get a degree (in a subject that would actually garner an occupation) but lack access to the funding for the training.
But, your stance is that garbage that roams our streets at night creating victims via armed robberies, carjackings, felonious assaults and arsons, et cetera, should be given a reward while in prison, so that when they get out, they can have what the less fortunate can't, that is a good thing.
 
Norway is dealing with a bunch of Norwegians where as the USA is dealing with every type of criminal you can think of from every country you can think of.

Big Difference !

And often Norway isn't dealing with "every type of criminal you can think of" because they haven't created those criminals in the first place.

The US creates them, and then uses them as a bogeyman and an excuse for doing nothing. As you've just done.
 
Of course but it starts in the home.

LIBs are protesting in DC because OMB sent in troops.

Where would you start ?

Except in Norway it doesn't start in the home, it starts with the government. But anyway.
 
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So I am conducting some searches on legal matters regarding my upcoming Separation/Divorce and I am finding some very good sources on a wide array of subjects, and in truth, these sources make me realize that Canada is failing on too many levels.

Conservatism requires more logical thinking, definitely more libertarianism and a reversal of horrible, unsuccessful policies of "revenge", rather than helping citizens and national interests excel.

My opinion is that Canada and definitely the U.S would improve their economic success by altering their prison system to focus on rehabilitation instead of bare, unsuccessful punishment.

Norway in the 1990s has the 70% recidivism that America has, now they are down to 20%! No wonder they have one of the highest GDPs in the world, they are able to leverage all of their talent. Forgiveness and redemption are vital not just for the soul, but for a nations future.

Look at Norways GDP per capita and even moreso, their PPP which is over $100k a year! They don't need to be a big population to have a dominant personal life.

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That's a higher average than Canada and America. Maybe I am becoming just a little more progressive in life as I get closer to G-d, I don't know, but there is a lack of humanity around us and the old way of operating is not helping us become as successful and enjoy as long a life as we could.

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In the 1990’s, Norway had a problem. Roughly 70% of all released prisoners recommitted crimes within two years of release. That rate is nearly equal to the recidivism rate in the United States today.



At that time, Norway’s prison system was structured similar to the prison system in the United States. It was built on the idea that punishment is a deterrent. Prisoners were often given lengthy sentences in harsh conditions to send a message to others.



However, Norwegian lawmakers realized that the existing system wasn’t working. Crime was high, as was recidivism. Prisons were plagued with assaults, riots, and escapes. The system needed reform.



Norway’s government acted boldly, completely overhauling the country’s prison system. Today, Norway's prison system has become a model for the rest of the world, and some states in the U.S. are following Norway’s lead. Norway’s recidivism rate is much lower and prisons are now safer and more peaceful.


Impact on Norway’s Recidivism Rate​


Before Norway’s prison reforms in the 1990s, the country had a recidivism rate in the range of 60% - 70%. Today, Norway’s recidivism rate based on re-conviction within two years is 20%, the lowest rate in the world.
Nuts! Violent Criminals should be in chain gangs 16 hours a day. No recreation--No TV--No Mail-- Beans and Rice--And all murderers should be executed the minute they are found guilty.
 
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