Zone1 What separates Christianity from all other religions

[Woodznutz]

does that make a public religion true, their personal witness ... by omitting their false commandments - catechisms and 4th century bible of forgeries and fallacies ... et al.

everything that is contrary to the teachings of liberation theology, self determination those in the 1st century gave their lives for.

- who's to say which is more relevant.

What is "liberation theology" and "self-determination"? Let me explain.

Liberation theology: Freedom from the curse of the Law (well understood by most Christians).

Self-determination: "Work out your own salvation..." ((well understood by most Christians).

You're welcome.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The first "word salad" sentence is JESUS' Words, not mine. You are an idiot if you don't understand that sentence.

No, my relationship with God is deeply personal. I will tell you what I believe and why if you are genuinely interested. I don't try to "convert" you with reason or the sword (like lslam.). What you believe is between you and God as long as you mind your shit.

I don't know who you are, neither do I care about your opinion. If you continue the insults I'll just move you to the ignore pile

It was JESUS who said he come with a sword....not Islam. All you are saying is you are a believer. That's fine. Some people believe in Bigfoot too.

 

[Ace Nova]

What is "liberation theology" and "self-determination"? Let me explain.

Liberation theology: Freedom from the curse of the Law (well understood by most Christians).

Self-determination: "Work out your own salvation..." ((well understood by most Christians).

You're welcome.

How do you gain "freedom from the curse of the Law" as a Christian?

In my opinion:

As a Christian, you should be taught not to abolish the Law and teachings of the Prophets because Jesus stated that "He did not come to abolish the Law and the teachings of the Prophets but to fulfill them"

Many Christians put their faith in the teachings of Jesus and by the grace of God, they can become "liberated" from the "curse of the Law" because Jesus laid the path and foundation for them to do so,

Through grace, their thoughts, works and deeds should reflect their faith - if they do not - then they may not be "saved by grace". For many, this is a continuous process throughout their lifetimes - for others, (Children of faith, for example) it is much easier - for a child's mind thinks in honest and simple terms.

Jesus taught that in order for someone to fulfill the Law and teachings of the Prophets, they would need to change the way they think and their thought process. They would need to be willing to "carry the cross" that Jesus carried and be willing to be persecuted (or worse) for their beliefs. They would need to "go against the grain or flow" of many societal norms. But to do this they would need to be devoted to God with all their hearts, minds, souls and strength and they must love one another - love their neighbors as themselves - and forgive one another.

When this happens - the so called "curse of the Law" will become what it was intended to be for mankind - a blessing and gift from a loving God that leads one to redemption, righteousness and salvation. (Grace).

 

[Carl in Michigan]

You're preaching to the choir. Most Christians are aware of the meanings of the covenants.

I don't think they do. If you believe the spiritual covenant with the Church REPLACES the national covenant with Israel, you'd be mistaken

 

[Paradoxical#1]

How do you gain "freedom from the curse of the Law" as a Christian?

In my opinion:

As a Christian, you should be taught not to abolish the Law and teachings of the Prophets because Jesus stated that "He did not come to abolish the Law and the teachings of the Prophets but to fulfill them"

Many Christians put their faith in the teachings of Jesus and by the grace of God, they can become "liberated" from the "curse of the Law" because Jesus laid the path and foundation for them to do so,

Through grace, their thoughts, works and deeds should reflect their faith - if they do not - then they may not be "saved by grace". For many, this is a continuous process throughout their lifetimes - for others, (Children of faith, for example) it is much easier - for a child's mind thinks in honest and simple terms.

Jesus taught that in order for someone to fulfill the Law and teachings of the Prophets, they would need to change the way they think and their thought process. They would need to be willing to "carry the cross" that Jesus carried and be willing to be persecuted (or worse) for their beliefs. They would need to "go against the grain or flow" of many societal norms. But to do this they would need to be devoted to God with all their hearts, minds, souls and strength and they must love one another - love their neighbors as themselves - and forgive one another.

When this happens - the so called "curse of the Law" will become what it was intended to be for mankind - a blessing and gift from a loving God that leads one to redemption, righteousness and salvation. (Grace).

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

The word "fulfill" carries the idea of completing, carrying out, or achieving something, rather than ending or abolishing it. When Jesus said He came to "fulfill the Law and the Prophets," many interpret this as Him embodying and living out their teachings, bringing them to their intended purpose or fullness.

Matthew 5:18. In the King James Version (KJV), it reads:

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Now, all you believers can massage the Bible verses however makes you happy and content but JESUS never, ever said the law was abolished because he fulfilled them. Heaven and earth did not pass away when he was hung for sedition.

 

[Woodznutz]

How do you gain "freedom from the curse of the Law" as a Christian?

In my opinion:

As a Christian, you should be taught not to abolish the Law and teachings of the Prophets because Jesus stated that "He did not come to abolish the Law and the teachings of the Prophets but to fulfill them"

Many Christians put their faith in the teachings of Jesus and by the grace of God, they can become "liberated" from the "curse of the Law" because Jesus laid the path and foundation for them to do so,

Through grace, their thoughts, works and deeds should reflect their faith - if they do not - then they may not be "saved by grace". For many, this is a continuous process throughout their lifetimes - for others, (Children of faith, for example) it is much easier - for a child's mind thinks in honest and simple terms.

Jesus taught that in order for someone to fulfill the Law and teachings of the Prophets, they would need to change the way they think and their thought process. They would need to be willing to "carry the cross" that Jesus carried and be willing to be persecuted (or worse) for their beliefs. They would need to "go against the grain or flow" of many societal norms. But to do this they would need to be devoted to God with all their hearts, minds, souls and strength and they must love one another - love their neighbors as themselves - and forgive one another.

When this happens - the so called "curse of the Law" will become what it was intended to be for mankind - a blessing and gift from a loving God that leads one to redemption, righteousness and salvation. (Grace).

The curse of the law is the death penalty for not keeping the Law of Moses. Jesus' death removed the curse from us.

 

[Woodznutz]

I don't think they do. If you believe the spiritual covenant with the Church REPLACES the national covenant with Israel, you'd be mistaken

The "national" covenant with the descendants of Israel is the "birthright promise". It exists along with the new spiritual covenant in that the new covenant of faith can only blossom freely within those nations promised to the descendants of Israel. Also implicit is that the new covenant church would be called primarily from the descendants of Israel, to whom Jesus was "sent only".

 

[Woodznutz]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

The word "fulfill" carries the idea of completing, carrying out, or achieving something, rather than ending or abolishing it. When Jesus said He came to "fulfill the Law and the Prophets," many interpret this as Him embodying and living out their teachings, bringing them to their intended purpose or fullness.

Matthew 5:18. In the King James Version (KJV), it reads:

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Now, all you believers can massage the Bible verses however makes you happy and content but JESUS never, ever said the law was abolished because he fulfilled them. Heaven and earth did not pass away when he was hung for sedition.

Jesus raised the law to its intended spiritual level, making it more difficult to 'obey'. Now not only must we abstain from harming our neighbor, but we must also help him.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Jesus raised the law to its intended spiritual level, making it more difficult to 'obey'. Now not only must we abstain from harming our neighbor, but we must also help him.

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi and well versed in the law and followed every jot, every tittle. That is what fulfills means and it is only apologists who bastardize the meaning of fulfill. It doesn’t mean to end but to do. This would be what he meant when he said the law would NEVER be abolished. If that were to stay, Paul knew he couldn’t sell his new religion. So, it was Paul that created a New Testament.

 

[Lisa558]

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi and well versed in the law and followed every jot, every tittle. That is what fulfills means and it is only apologists who bastardize the meaning of fulfill. It doesn’t mean to end but to do. This would be what he meant when he said the law would NEVER be abolished. If that were to stay, Paul knew he couldn’t sell his new religion. So, it was Paul that created a New Testament.

True. Jesus never intended to start a new religion. That was Paul.

 

[Ace Nova]

The curse of the law is the death penalty for not keeping the Law of Moses. Jesus' death removed the curse from us.

It was by the Grace of God, By The Power of The Holy Spirit and the faith, teachings, works, ministry, miracles, teachings,passion, crucifixion AND resurrection of The Son, Jesus the Christ.

The Apostles, The Church and the Saints as a whole, continued the ministry by spreading the word to all who were willing to listen - manifesting the love of God through miracles, works and the redemption of people.

 

[Woodznutz]

Jesus was a Jewish Rabbi and well versed in the law and followed every jot, every tittle. That is what fulfills means and it is only apologists who bastardize the meaning of fulfill. It doesn’t mean to end but to do. This would be what he meant when he said the law would NEVER be abolished. If that were to stay, Paul knew he couldn’t sell his new religion. So, it was Paul that created a New Testament.

Paul explained the new covenant, he didn't invent it.

 

[norwegen]

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

The word "fulfill" carries the idea of completing, carrying out, or achieving something, rather than ending or abolishing it. When Jesus said He came to "fulfill the Law and the Prophets," many interpret this as Him embodying and living out their teachings, bringing them to their intended purpose or fullness.

Matthew 5:18. In the King James Version (KJV), it reads:

"For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled."

Now, all you believers can massage the Bible verses however makes you happy and content but JESUS never, ever said the law was abolished because he fulfilled them. Heaven and earth did not pass away when he was hung for sedition.

When he was "hanged" for sedition against the Jews? No, heaven and earth did not pass away then. They passed away a few decades later.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

Paul explained the new covenant, he didn't invent it.

Just what new covenant did Paul discover other than the one he himself made up?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

When he was "hanged" for sedition against the Jews? No, heaven and earth did not pass away then. They passed away a few decades later.

If they passed away, where do you live? However, I must admit, this is a brand new whacked out idea.

 

[norwegen]

If they passed away, where do you live? However, I must admit, this is a brand new whacked out idea.

The southern United States.

 

[norwegen]

If they passed away, where do you live? However, I must admit, this is a brand new whacked out idea.

And that idea is not brand new. It's as old as the Hebrew Bible.

 

[Paradoxical#1]

The southern United States.

That is not earth?

 

[Paradoxical#1]

And that idea is not brand new. It's as old as the Hebrew Bible.

Yes. That was still Earth and still is.

 

[Woodznutz]

Just what new covenant did Paul discover other than the one he himself made up?

He was a student of the Old Covenant and was shown by Jesus the New Covenant that was within, 'hidden in plain sight' all the time.