What REAL changes do we need to make America great again?

[B. Kidd]

70 per cent of the U.S. force structure in Iraq and Afghanistan are private contractors.

How To Profit From the War in Afghanistan: Military Contractors



OWS protestors are from IOWA (I'm Out Wandering Around). Their best and most focused talking point should have been an anti-war sentiment. Instead, they are like horseshit point-wise, all over the place. Many an effective domestic policy movement (civil rights, women's rights) rode the coattails of the anti-war movement concerning VietNam.
OWS protestors learned nothing from that counter-culture history and are doomed to just fade-away.
American capitalism is a 'blood-economy'. It takes fellow Americans' blood to grease the wheels of continued corporate war profits, even, in a 'down' economy. (One significant reason why Wall St. is sustaining, while Main St. is failing).
But, instead, OWS protestors are only selfishly concerned about their own future and blood, instead of focusing on what should be the starting point for the real 'meat-of-the matter'.

No -- we're not the "blood economy". We're the country that has footprints on the moon. That wrote the operating systems for the world. That has a machine that can play Jeopardy. That has mapped the Human Genome. That put computers into every home.

THAT'S what our leadership should be stating. We are crying ourselves into dehydration here with this class war nonsense and calls to dismantle the system. And the morons who are in charge can think beyond FDR...

That was then, this is now. And our leadership is not stating what you allude to (except for green energy boondoggles).
Would you like to venture a guess how much higher our unemployment rate would be if we were not involved in endless nation building?

 

[Cuyo]

How about you start with everyone being and American citizen. And American money used American citizens.

Unemployed Americans looking for work = ~14 million
Illegal immigrants in the United States = ~15 million

Is the math really that hard for people?

Because it's not zero-sum. A person, legal or otherwise, is both a provider and a consumer.

That said, the illegal immigrant 'problem,' from an economics standpoint, is no bigger a problem than population growth and poverty in general.

 

[flacaltenn]

70 per cent of the U.S. force structure in Iraq and Afghanistan are private contractors.

How To Profit From the War in Afghanistan: Military Contractors



OWS protestors are from IOWA (I'm Out Wandering Around). Their best and most focused talking point should have been an anti-war sentiment. Instead, they are like horseshit point-wise, all over the place. Many an effective domestic policy movement (civil rights, women's rights) rode the coattails of the anti-war movement concerning VietNam.
OWS protestors learned nothing from that counter-culture history and are doomed to just fade-away.
American capitalism is a 'blood-economy'. It takes fellow Americans' blood to grease the wheels of continued corporate war profits, even, in a 'down' economy. (One significant reason why Wall St. is sustaining, while Main St. is failing).
But, instead, OWS protestors are only selfishly concerned about their own future and blood, instead of focusing on what should be the starting point for the real 'meat-of-the matter'.

No -- we're not the "blood economy". We're the country that has footprints on the moon. That wrote the operating systems for the world. That has a machine that can play Jeopardy. That has mapped the Human Genome. That put computers into every home.

THAT'S what our leadership should be stating. We are crying ourselves into dehydration here with this class war nonsense and calls to dismantle the system. And the morons who are in charge can think beyond FDR...

That was then, this is now. And our leadership is not stating what you allude to (except for green energy boondoggles).
Would you like to venture a guess how much higher our unemployment rate would be if we were not involved in endless nation building?

We've actually been engaged in Iraq for over 20 f'in years. It's getting hard to remember a time when we're not bombing 3 countries a week. So I get that. Bringing home the troops WOULD notch up the unemployment rate. But we've got to stop looking at the excuses and start focusing on the economic changes that need to be made.

They've been trying to distract us from recognizing "that hissing sound" that Ross Perot talked about. That sound that means the world is getter flatter and the US standard of living is getting lower. And the job picture and the standard of living is NOT gonna stabilize til we change how capital is used in this country again. That's why it's sitting on the sidelines. Because nobody in political leadership is clearing the way for NEW industries to be created and built. New companies that will use those 21st technologies and create jobs at all levels.

Right now -- everything govt does favors the HUGE multinationals. And everytime they pretend to punish those guys --- they add barriers to NEW capital ventures. THERE is the problem..

 

[flacaltenn]

How about you start with everyone being and American citizen. And American money used American citizens.

Unemployed Americans looking for work = ~14 million
Illegal immigrants in the United States = ~15 million

Is the math really that hard for people?

Because it's not zero-sum. A person, legal or otherwise, is both a provider and a consumer.

That said, the illegal immigrant 'problem,' from an economics standpoint, is no bigger a problem than population growth and poverty in general.

No it's not a bigger problem if you're accepting THOUSANDS of new "poverty cases" a month from illegal immigration. That's GOOD for the welfare state. Makes better graphs. More arguments to steal from the rich. And then there's the little problem of those immigrants not coming here to be citizens --- but to send HOME $40Bill in US cash.

Did you account for that Cuyo?

 

[Jackson]

I do agree illegals that have no intention of becoming citizens is not what we want. Bring the soldiers home and open new positions for ICE. Start deporting more and fining employers.