What percentage of Palestinians are terrorists?
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teddyearp
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But darn you, PFT, I was wondering if a zionist was going to point that out. Not that I was holding my breath.
Guess you do not read very well when you do not agree with a person do you? Pretty fair to see you paint folks with a brush yourself.
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If they are all or mostly terrorists as the zionists pretend, then why is France willing to bring them into the EU?
PARIS, December 3, 2017 (WAFA) – Ambassador of Palestine to France Salman Al-Harfi Sunday said the French government has expressed desire to recognize Palestine, but as part of the European Union.
He told WAFA in a phone call that France wants to recognize a state of Palestine, but with other European countries taking part, because it will safeguard the peace process....
France to recognize Palestine as part of European Union
And why does almost the entire rest of the world not agree?
Map: The countries that recognize Palestine as a state
PARIS, December 3, 2017 (WAFA) – Ambassador of Palestine to France Salman Al-Harfi Sunday said the French government has expressed desire to recognize Palestine, but as part of the European Union.
He told WAFA in a phone call that France wants to recognize a state of Palestine, but with other European countries taking part, because it will safeguard the peace process....
France to recognize Palestine as part of European Union
And why does almost the entire rest of the world not agree?
Map: The countries that recognize Palestine as a state
Toddsterpatriot
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If they are all or mostly terrorists as the zionists pretend, then why is France willing to bring them into the EU?
PARIS, December 3, 2017 (WAFA) – Ambassador of Palestine to France Salman Al-Harfi Sunday said the French government has expressed desire to recognize Palestine, but as part of the European Union.
He told WAFA in a phone call that France wants to recognize a state of Palestine, but with other European countries taking part, because it will safeguard the peace process....
France to recognize Palestine as part of European Union
And why does almost the entire rest of the world not agree?
Map: The countries that recognize Palestine as a state
If they are all or mostly terrorists as the zionists pretend, then why is France willing to bring them into the EU?
As a member of the EU, all the Pally terrorists would be free to travel to and live in any EU country.
That would be pretty funny.
If they are all or mostly terrorists as the zionists pretend, then why is France willing to bring them into the EU?
PARIS, December 3, 2017 (WAFA) – Ambassador of Palestine to France Salman Al-Harfi Sunday said the French government has expressed desire to recognize Palestine, but as part of the European Union.
He told WAFA in a phone call that France wants to recognize a state of Palestine, but with other European countries taking part, because it will safeguard the peace process....
France to recognize Palestine as part of European Union
And why does almost the entire rest of the world not agree?
Map: The countries that recognize Palestine as a state
The French surrender monkeys will bend and scrape before the Islamist barbarians until they are utterly subdued.
RoccoR
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RE: What percentage of Palestinians are terrorists?
※→ abi, et al,
I don't think that anyone here ever intended to give the impression that ALL Arab Palestinians are terrorists. I'm not sure anyone knows (even the terrorist themselves) has the answer to that question. Of course there is criteria as to what (in general) constitutes terrorism. Yes, you can argue that "not all Palestinians are terrorists;" but it is a moral and technical naivety to ask for a percentage that fits the criteria. That would require a level of knowledge that does not exist. For one thing, terrorism cannot and should not be associated with any religion, nationality, civilization or ethnic group ⇒ but as a description of people performing proscribed activities.
Simplified, one criteria of a terrorist is one that commits an act of terrorism. And there are several levels of terrorism. Some levels of acts supporting the furtherance of criminal activity, some are political and military objectives, and advancement of some patriotic goal that is not less then successful.
The term "terrorist" is the generalized descriptions (a matter of fact political term) of those people that are connect with events prohibited by either the 19 Terrorist Conventions that are in force, or responsible for the conduct of activities prohibited by some provision of these 40 Resolutions.
An example of selective language that makes a discriminator between Arab Palestinians that are terrorist (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) and those that are not is exemplified in the phrase "Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP);" which distinguishes them from the generalized "non-Hostile Arab Palestinian."
Included in the generalized term covering the broad scope of terrorism (committed by whomever, wherever and for whatever purposes, as it constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security,) are those that:
✪ Conduct activities aimed at the destruction of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democracy, threatening territorial integrity, security of States and destabilizing legitimately constituted Governments, and that the international community.
✪ Those HoAP that are organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities (use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal).
✪ Those HoAP that put forth every effort to develop and maintain an ineffective landscape based on the Rule of Law, the rational operations of a national criminal justice system, and those that erect barriers for the maintenance of law and order.
✪ Those HoAP that --- wherever and by whomever committed, Hostage-taking and/or murder, for the advancement of political, economic, and political purposes.
✪ Those HoAP involved incriminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstances unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them.
Now as to what percentage of Palestinians are HoAP ⇒ we cannot know. But when a Palestinian group that has received 74 seats of the 132 seats in Parliament, we know that a Majority of the Palestinians provided support to a group that professes:
✪ Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
✪ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
✪ Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.
✪ Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem.
✪ It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.
✪ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.
Terrorism is not about who you are, or how you are defined; it is about what you do and what your purpose and intents are.
Most Respectfully,
R
※→ abi, et al,
I don't think that anyone here ever intended to give the impression that ALL Arab Palestinians are terrorists. I'm not sure anyone knows (even the terrorist themselves) has the answer to that question. Of course there is criteria as to what (in general) constitutes terrorism. Yes, you can argue that "not all Palestinians are terrorists;" but it is a moral and technical naivety to ask for a percentage that fits the criteria. That would require a level of knowledge that does not exist. For one thing, terrorism cannot and should not be associated with any religion, nationality, civilization or ethnic group ⇒ but as a description of people performing proscribed activities.
Simplified, one criteria of a terrorist is one that commits an act of terrorism. And there are several levels of terrorism. Some levels of acts supporting the furtherance of criminal activity, some are political and military objectives, and advancement of some patriotic goal that is not less then successful.
The term "terrorist" is the generalized descriptions (a matter of fact political term) of those people that are connect with events prohibited by either the 19 Terrorist Conventions that are in force, or responsible for the conduct of activities prohibited by some provision of these 40 Resolutions.
An example of selective language that makes a discriminator between Arab Palestinians that are terrorist (Jihadist, the Fedayeen, Hostile Insurgents, Radicalized Islamic Followers, and Asymmetric fighters) and those that are not is exemplified in the phrase "Hostile Arab Palestinians (HoAP);" which distinguishes them from the generalized "non-Hostile Arab Palestinian."
(COMMENT)
Included in the generalized term covering the broad scope of terrorism (committed by whomever, wherever and for whatever purposes, as it constitutes one of the most serious threats to international peace and security,) are those that:
✪ Conduct activities aimed at the destruction of human rights, fundamental freedoms and democracy, threatening territorial integrity, security of States and destabilizing legitimately constituted Governments, and that the international community.
✪ Those HoAP that are organizing, instigating, facilitating, participating in, financing, encouraging or tolerating terrorist activities (use of violence and intimidation to achieve some goal).
✪ Those HoAP that put forth every effort to develop and maintain an ineffective landscape based on the Rule of Law, the rational operations of a national criminal justice system, and those that erect barriers for the maintenance of law and order.
✪ Those HoAP that --- wherever and by whomever committed, Hostage-taking and/or murder, for the advancement of political, economic, and political purposes.
✪ Those HoAP involved incriminal acts intended or calculated to provoke a state of terror in the general public, a group of persons or particular persons for political purposes are in any circumstances unjustifiable, whatever the considerations of a political, philosophical, ideological, racial, ethnic, religious or other nature that may be invoked to justify them.
Now as to what percentage of Palestinians are HoAP ⇒ we cannot know. But when a Palestinian group that has received 74 seats of the 132 seats in Parliament, we know that a Majority of the Palestinians provided support to a group that professes:
✪ Jihad is its path and death for the sake of Allah is the loftiest of its wishes.
✪ There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad.
✪ Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.
✪ Jihad becomes the individual duty of every Moslem.
✪ It is necessary to instill the spirit of Jihad in the heart of the nation so that they would confront the enemies and join the ranks of the fighters.
✪ The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.The Balfour Declaration, the Mandate for Palestine, and everything that has been based upon them, are deemed null and void.
Terrorism is not about who you are, or how you are defined; it is about what you do and what your purpose and intents are.
Most Respectfully,
R
teddyearp
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Hmm, on one thread I asked abi if she thought all Israelis are terrorists and she said she called that out when she saw it. I guess here and now she does it herself.
Flip flop like a fish.
Flip flop like a fish.
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There are many reasons as to why there is no universal consensus regarding the definition of terrorism. Angus Martyn in a briefing paper for the Australian Parliament has stated that "The international community has never succeeded in developing an accepted comprehensive definition of terrorism. During the 1970s and 1980s, the United Nations attempts to define the term foundered mainly due to differences of opinion between various members about the use of violence in the context of conflicts over national liberation and self-determination."[8] These divergences have made it impossible to conclude a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism that incorporates a single, all-encompassing, legally binding, criminal law definition of terrorism.[9]
Legal definition could plausibly retrieve terrorism from the ideological quagmire, by severing an agreed legal meaning from the remainder of the elastic, political concept. Ultimately it must do so without criminalizing legitimate violent resistance to oppressive regimes – and becoming complicit in that oppression.
Definitions of terrorism - Wikipedia
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You are suggesting that terrorism should be legalized?
Indeed, if you read the Hamas Charter, you must agree that there is legitimate violent resistance to oppressive Islamist regimes.
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RoccoR
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RE: What percentage of Palestinians are terrorists?
※→ abi, et al,
This is psychotic babel, for the naive behavior and Palestinians lacking a conscience, to drawn an inference to war crimes --- as political propaganda designed to incite adverse emotional responses to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) military action against the aggressor (in this case the Hostile Arab Palestinians).
NO (nada - none) of the Israeli Air Strikes into Gaza was a terrorist act...
In Gaza the HAMAS movements deliberately exposure of the civilian population was intended render certain points immune from Israeli Air Strikes and Artillery responses. The use of Gaza civilians are two fold:
These objectives were achieved by the HAMAS Leadership through several effective means, the most often used were (but not limited to):
To further compound the ground confusion, the HAMAS organized or encouraged the organization of irregular forces or armed bands, for incursion into the sovereign territory of Israel as well as made indiscriminate targeting of civilians; form either in protected sites or adjacent to protected sites into Israeli protected sites.
These are but a few ways that your statement is wrong. When a Hostile Arab Palestinian kidnaps and murders teenagers, they knew they were protected person but did it anyway. When a suicide bomber detonates inside a crowded restaurant, they intentionally target to maximize civilian losses. When the Arab Palestinian stops a bus, orders everyone ff the bus and machine-guns down all the men, women and children, there can be no ambiguous or defensible understanding that they intentionally targeted the civilians for death.
To say that --- "Every bombing raid carried out over Gaza is terrorism on acid" --- is merely propaganda design to elicit the emotion of those that need some justification for the War Crimes they committed.
Most Respectfully,
R
※→ abi, et al,
This is psychotic babel, for the naive behavior and Palestinians lacking a conscience, to drawn an inference to war crimes --- as political propaganda designed to incite adverse emotional responses to Israeli Defense Force (IDF) military action against the aggressor (in this case the Hostile Arab Palestinians).
(COMMENT)
NO (nada - none) of the Israeli Air Strikes into Gaza was a terrorist act...
✪ Each Air Strike was undertaken with a clear intent to achieve a military advantage.
✪ Each Air Strike consisted of enough strength to decisively achieve the objective and intent.
✪ Each Air Strike was executed with the intent to minimize incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, AND still achieve the necessary concrete and direct military advantage.
✪ Each Air Strike consisted of enough strength to decisively achieve the objective and intent.
✪ Each Air Strike was executed with the intent to minimize incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians, damage to civilian objects, or a combination thereof, AND still achieve the necessary concrete and direct military advantage.
In Gaza the HAMAS movements deliberately exposure of the civilian population was intended render certain points immune from Israeli Air Strikes and Artillery responses. The use of Gaza civilians are two fold:
※ Attempts to lure Israeli Air Strike and Artillery fires and create an exploitable media event.
※ To cause a hesitation in the IDF Strikes against HAMAS paramilitary objectives from attacks and impede military operations.
※ To cause a hesitation in the IDF Strikes against HAMAS paramilitary objectives from attacks and impede military operations.
These objectives were achieved by the HAMAS Leadership through several effective means, the most often used were (but not limited to):
✪ HAMAS deliberately located paramilitary operations within or near densely populated areas to set the environment such that civilian casualties were maximized.
✪ To the extend possible, HAMAS paramilitary operations endeavored to insure the civilian population, individual civilians and civilian objects under their control remained in the vicinity of military objectives.
✪ HAMAS officials ignored the advanced warnings provided to further the Protection of the Civilian Populations and minimize incidental casualties as a result of IDF Strikes necessary to achieve concrete and direct military advantages.
HAMAS paramilitary use of the emblem or name of the Red Cross or Geneva Cross, as cover or concealment of their military operations.
✪ To the extend possible, HAMAS paramilitary operations endeavored to insure the civilian population, individual civilians and civilian objects under their control remained in the vicinity of military objectives.
✪ HAMAS officials ignored the advanced warnings provided to further the Protection of the Civilian Populations and minimize incidental casualties as a result of IDF Strikes necessary to achieve concrete and direct military advantages.
HAMAS paramilitary use of the emblem or name of the Red Cross or Geneva Cross, as cover or concealment of their military operations.
To further compound the ground confusion, the HAMAS organized or encouraged the organization of irregular forces or armed bands, for incursion into the sovereign territory of Israel as well as made indiscriminate targeting of civilians; form either in protected sites or adjacent to protected sites into Israeli protected sites.
These are but a few ways that your statement is wrong. When a Hostile Arab Palestinian kidnaps and murders teenagers, they knew they were protected person but did it anyway. When a suicide bomber detonates inside a crowded restaurant, they intentionally target to maximize civilian losses. When the Arab Palestinian stops a bus, orders everyone ff the bus and machine-guns down all the men, women and children, there can be no ambiguous or defensible understanding that they intentionally targeted the civilians for death.
To say that --- "Every bombing raid carried out over Gaza is terrorism on acid" --- is merely propaganda design to elicit the emotion of those that need some justification for the War Crimes they committed.
Most Respectfully,
R
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Load of Israeli crapola talking points, Rocco.
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The guy is funny, though. He pretends that 'terrorism' isn't a label and then creates a wall of text as an attempt to manufacture his own label.
He forgets that Bin Laden and Al Qaeda were the good guys and labeled as freedom fighters when their asymmetric fighters (his favorite term) were doing the same shit, just years before.
And bombing civilians that you keep locked behind a wall does not fit his label of terrorist. Sad.
RoccoR
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RE: What percentage of Palestinians are terrorists?
※→ abi, P F Tinmore, et al,
I noticed that many pro-Palestinians use very similar approaches when discussing such issues. The pro-Palestinians (especially those of the Hostile Arab variety) very often attack the presenters, rather than to the content of the presenters arguments. (See: Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - Fallacies.)
I think you will find that those remarks to which you refer are developed from the past practices of the Hostile Arab Palestinian actions and behaviors - and - the history of deception, poor performance diplomatically, and unsuccessful attempts to achieve their stated goals. The real world observations were compared to the intent of the List of Customary Rules of International Humanitarian Law (ICRC) and the prohibitions addressed in either the 19 Terrorist Conventions that are in force, or responsible for the conduct of activities prohibited by some provision of these 40 Resolutions. (See Posting #67, this discussion thread)
Don't mix apples with the oranges. Bin Laden (as a leader) and Al Qaeda (as an organization) are radically different relative to their operations and actions and on a divergent path in evolution.
Being the spoke-n-wheel in an insurgency (proxy warriors in Afghanistan) is very different from "the warfare that is between opposing forces which differ greatly in military power and that typically involves the use of unconventional weapons and tactics (such as those associated with guerrilla warfare and terrorist attacks)." The many small elements during the time you call them --- "freedom fighters" --- was but one facet of a radicalized group. They were not fighting, so much to liberate an oppressed people, rather they saw the Russians as considered infectious foreign presence in Islamic lands have tentacles out to spear susceptible Islamic Regimes lured in by the Western Foreign Influences. They saw this as a breach of faith, corruptions, and the ensnarement by senior industrial foreign powers eager to supplant Islam and ethnic sovereignty. Conversely, the Hostile Arab Palestinians are in the conflict you get all they can get (fame, fortune and power). The causes are the exact opposite of al-Qaeda.
On the "locked behind the wall" comment: The imagery is the exact opposite. The Hostile Arab Palestinians are NOT locked behind a wall. They are locked out of neighboring states do to the extraordinary threat that they represent. This was not always the case. The Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese and Israelis all took actions at different points in time because of the perceived threat. But it is not a prison. The Palestinians are free to travel to any country that will have them. You will notice that HAMAS seems to move in and out freely.
Most Respectfully,
R
※→ abi, P F Tinmore, et al,
I noticed that many pro-Palestinians use very similar approaches when discussing such issues. The pro-Palestinians (especially those of the Hostile Arab variety) very often attack the presenters, rather than to the content of the presenters arguments. (See: Standford Encyclopedia of Philosophy - Fallacies.)
(COMMENT)
I think you will find that those remarks to which you refer are developed from the past practices of the Hostile Arab Palestinian actions and behaviors - and - the history of deception, poor performance diplomatically, and unsuccessful attempts to achieve their stated goals. The real world observations were compared to the intent of the List of Customary Rules of International Humanitarian Law (ICRC) and the prohibitions addressed in either the 19 Terrorist Conventions that are in force, or responsible for the conduct of activities prohibited by some provision of these 40 Resolutions. (See Posting #67, this discussion thread)
(COMMENT)
Don't mix apples with the oranges. Bin Laden (as a leader) and Al Qaeda (as an organization) are radically different relative to their operations and actions and on a divergent path in evolution.
Being the spoke-n-wheel in an insurgency (proxy warriors in Afghanistan) is very different from "the warfare that is between opposing forces which differ greatly in military power and that typically involves the use of unconventional weapons and tactics (such as those associated with guerrilla warfare and terrorist attacks)." The many small elements during the time you call them --- "freedom fighters" --- was but one facet of a radicalized group. They were not fighting, so much to liberate an oppressed people, rather they saw the Russians as considered infectious foreign presence in Islamic lands have tentacles out to spear susceptible Islamic Regimes lured in by the Western Foreign Influences. They saw this as a breach of faith, corruptions, and the ensnarement by senior industrial foreign powers eager to supplant Islam and ethnic sovereignty. Conversely, the Hostile Arab Palestinians are in the conflict you get all they can get (fame, fortune and power). The causes are the exact opposite of al-Qaeda.
On the "locked behind the wall" comment: The imagery is the exact opposite. The Hostile Arab Palestinians are NOT locked behind a wall. They are locked out of neighboring states do to the extraordinary threat that they represent. This was not always the case. The Egyptians, Jordanians, Lebanese and Israelis all took actions at different points in time because of the perceived threat. But it is not a prison. The Palestinians are free to travel to any country that will have them. You will notice that HAMAS seems to move in and out freely.
Most Respectfully,
R
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