What Makes Poor People Poor? - Special Segment

[rightwinger]

That had a lot to do with it

Any population would have a certain percentage in the low IQ range. The question for a society is how do we take care of those people?

That's not a question for society. That's a question for a socialist/collectivist...

That is a question societies must address
What do we do with our poorest members?
Do we apply social Darwinism and let them starve or die from a lack of healthcare or do we provide for those unable to provide for themselves

Individuals should be free to decide for themselves if they want to voluntarily engage in charity, or not. Societies no matter their structure will have poor in their ranks. That's just the way it goes.

You are not welcome in my society

not your decision,,,you dont like his kind you are free to move on

Our society has thankfully decided otherwise

 

[rightwinger]

That had a lot to do with it

Any population would have a certain percentage in the low IQ range. The question for a society is how do we take care of those people?

That's not a question for society. That's a question for a socialist/collectivist...

That is a question societies must address
What do we do with our poorest members?
Do we apply social Darwinism and let them starve or die from a lack of healthcare or do we provide for those unable to provide for themselves

Individuals should be free to decide for themselves if they want to voluntarily engage in charity, or not. Societies no matter their structure will have poor in their ranks. That's just the way it goes.

You are not welcome in my society

I never asked for, nor required your invitation. Your discomfort with my presence is of no consequence to me...

Again.....our society has rejected you and your point of view

 

[ding]

That's not a question for society. That's a question for a socialist/collectivist...

That is a question societies must address
What do we do with our poorest members?
Do we apply social Darwinism and let them starve or die from a lack of healthcare or do we provide for those unable to provide for themselves

Individuals should be free to decide for themselves if they want to voluntarily engage in charity, or not. Societies no matter their structure will have poor in their ranks. That's just the way it goes.

You are not welcome in my society

I never asked for, nor required your invitation. Your discomfort with my presence is of no consequence to me...

Again.....our society has rejected you and your point of view

You don’t get to speak for society. How boring would society be if everyone believed the same things.

 

[Vastator]

That's not a question for society. That's a question for a socialist/collectivist...

That is a question societies must address
What do we do with our poorest members?
Do we apply social Darwinism and let them starve or die from a lack of healthcare or do we provide for those unable to provide for themselves

Individuals should be free to decide for themselves if they want to voluntarily engage in charity, or not. Societies no matter their structure will have poor in their ranks. That's just the way it goes.

You are not welcome in my society

I never asked for, nor required your invitation. Your discomfort with my presence is of no consequence to me...

Again.....our society has rejected you and your point of view

Apparently not. Because here I am. And I'm far from alone in my view...

 

[ding]

Yes, that is correct. The only deductions will be 25k for individual filings and 50k for joint filings. No exceptions.

Yea....like that is going to happen

The Golden Rule.......He who has the gold makes the rules

As soon as the wealthy get their 25 percent tax rate, they will demand legislation that starts........If you give us this deduction, it will create jobs

It’s the only solution that will make a material difference.

Makes sense to billionaires

Simple math. Give billionaires a significant tax cut, who makes up the difference?

Actually it doesn’t. They fear the loss of the their loopholes and deductions. It makes great sense to poor people who would only pay taxes above the poverty threshold. The government fears this and so do government lackies.

What happened to their loopholes when we slashed their tax rate last year?

Didn’t touch them

That’s my point.

You think I want to lower taxes. I want everyone to pay more for all earnings above the poverty level. What better way to raise awareness of our problems.

 

[ding]

I am not suggesting we should. I am suggesting that we should be fiscally responsible. The best way to accomplish that is to set the tax rate to the rate necessary to balance the budget and make all people share the burden proportionately. Overnight there would be a change.

I agree with what you wrote.

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

County governments set their tax rates equal to the budget. That’s what I propose the federal government do.

I'd have a hard time naming one that succeeding in doing that. Which OECD country would you point to that has a tax rate that matches their budget.
Be sure to provide proof of a balanced budget.

None I’m sure. Maybe that’s the problem.

Ok, so maybe tax income isn't the issue. Maybe it's overspending.

See the problem is, you say that OECD countries raise taxes to match their spending.... but they don't. So what's the issue? Is it that they haven't raise taxes enough? No, Greece had a 46% income tax, and a 42% social security tax..... yet they were just weeks away from a total national default.

Is not 88% tax, not including 23% sales tax, and a 26% corporate tax, enough taxes to fund everything? Apparently not. Why?

Because socialism never works. Socialized medicine, socialized education, and socialized retirement. Every single socialized system in the history of this planet, eventually fails. Eventually at some point, you run out of other people's money.

So no matter how much money you collect in taxes, the costs will keep going up, and the taxes keep going up, and eventually the entire system fails.

The problem is not tax revenue. It never was. It never will be.

The problem is spending. Anyone that ever thinks about having a balanced budget, should never look at raising taxes. That isn't the problem. The problem is always the spending.

I agree and the only way to make everyone agree is if they share proportionally in the pain in real time.

 

[Ame®icano]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

 

[Andylusion]

Often times, what makes poor people poor; is low IQ that lessens impulse control, which makes it more difficult for the individual to make, and maintain long term sacrifices/commitments for great rewards. Instead they are more prone to decide in favor of instant gratification...

That had a lot to do with it

Any population would have a certain percentage in the low IQ range. The question for a society is how do we take care of those people?

That's not a question for society. That's a question for a socialist/collectivist...

That is a question societies must address
What do we do with our poorest members?
Do we apply social Darwinism and let them starve or die from a lack of healthcare or do we provide for those unable to provide for themselves

Individuals should be free to decide for themselves if they want to voluntarily engage in charity, or not. Societies no matter their structure will have poor in their ranks. That's just the way it goes.

You are not welcome in my society

Well he is in mine. But you are not.

I think we should have free health funded by you. If you had to make out a check from your income every single month, to pay for other people's health care, would you be much in favor of it, as you claim to be when you are living in the myth that people other than you will pay for it?

Because that's why France has riots right now. The myth that other people will pay for everything, is falling apart.

 

[Andylusion]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

I just found my new sig line.

 

[Andylusion]

That's not a question for society. That's a question for a socialist/collectivist...

That is a question societies must address
What do we do with our poorest members?
Do we apply social Darwinism and let them starve or die from a lack of healthcare or do we provide for those unable to provide for themselves

Individuals should be free to decide for themselves if they want to voluntarily engage in charity, or not. Societies no matter their structure will have poor in their ranks. That's just the way it goes.

You are not welcome in my society

I never asked for, nor required your invitation. Your discomfort with my presence is of no consequence to me...

Again.....our society has rejected you and your point of view

Not entirely. Maybe you missed it, but Bush ran with privatizing Social Security as a platform. And he won the election.

Equally, the fact Trump was able to win, suggests that not everyone agrees with your point of view.

Lastly, the state that most adopts your ideals, California, is now the laughing stock of the country. So even if you say "society has rejected our ideology", what you'll find is, the laws of economics and math, have not.

The one countries that I can say society has conclusively rejected all free-market capitalism, is Venezuela. The reality speaks for itself.

 

[Andylusion]

Impossible. There is no tax level high enough to fix socialism.

As long as we have a socialized system of health care and pensions in place, taxes will have to increase continually until the country implodes. It is impossible to find the magic tax rate that will balance the budget.

If you doubt that... again just look at Europe. All of Europe. Most of Europe has been protected by the US. Norway, like all European countries, has drastically higher taxes. Most people, even lower-middle class, lose 50% of their income in taxes.

And yet they are running a deficit. France is running a deficit. Japan is running a deficit.

They have nearly double our average tax rate, and are all running a deficit.

So this idea that we just need to increase taxes until we can afford socialism... is never going to work. Soon we'll be paying $8/gallon for gas, like France does. All to pay for the free stuff everyone wants. Then when it destroys the middle class, like in France, people will be burning down the country.

If you want to balance the budget, the solution is to reform entitlements. We need to privatize social security, and eliminate socialized health care. If we do that, the budget will balance without us doing anything with taxes.

County governments set their tax rates equal to the budget. That’s what I propose the federal government do.

I'd have a hard time naming one that succeeding in doing that. Which OECD country would you point to that has a tax rate that matches their budget.
Be sure to provide proof of a balanced budget.

None I’m sure. Maybe that’s the problem.

Ok, so maybe tax income isn't the issue. Maybe it's overspending.

See the problem is, you say that OECD countries raise taxes to match their spending.... but they don't. So what's the issue? Is it that they haven't raise taxes enough? No, Greece had a 46% income tax, and a 42% social security tax..... yet they were just weeks away from a total national default.

Is not 88% tax, not including 23% sales tax, and a 26% corporate tax, enough taxes to fund everything? Apparently not. Why?

Because socialism never works. Socialized medicine, socialized education, and socialized retirement. Every single socialized system in the history of this planet, eventually fails. Eventually at some point, you run out of other people's money.

So no matter how much money you collect in taxes, the costs will keep going up, and the taxes keep going up, and eventually the entire system fails.

The problem is not tax revenue. It never was. It never will be.

The problem is spending. Anyone that ever thinks about having a balanced budget, should never look at raising taxes. That isn't the problem. The problem is always the spending.

I agree and the only way to make everyone agree is if they share proportionally in the pain in real time.

The irony is that for the most part they are.

Social Security is simply a way of taxing the poor, while convincing them it is for their good.

But again, everything in left-wing ideology is based on mythology.

If everyone understood that social security tax, and medicare tax, go into the general revenue, just like income taxes from the rich.... there would be a completely different climate of politics.

But everything thinks that everyone else is paying the bill. They don't realize that they are paying the bill.

Left-wing ideology is a mental illness.

 

[rightwinger]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

 

[danielpalos]

it also helps when the rich are too big to fail.

Who are you talking about?

Tax cut economics is merely income redistribution that favors the richest the most.

So, who are you talking about, I am not sure who you are referring to when you say the "rich are too big to fail". I have watched many rich people have ideas, investments and businesses that have failed. Obama made companies that he claimed were to big too fail, but never anyone too rich to fail.

Where Is The Outrage Over Corporate Welfare?

I am against all corporate welfare, always have been. Now who are the rich that are too big to fail? I am not sure why you won't answer the simple questions, you seem to have trouble accounting for your words.

keeping up with terminology. unlike the right wing.

Too big to fail - Wikipedia

 

[Andylusion]

Don't lump everyone in the same boat. When I bought my car, the guy selling it to me, said he would put $1 on it, so I could avoid taxes. I told him to write down exactly what I paid him for it, and paid it in full.

Similarly, my father is an artist, and all the sales of his paintings are in cash, but he records each and every single sale, and reports it on his income, and pays full taxes.

Now we all will take every legal deduction we can, but we follow the law. We're Christians.

We have honor, and integrity. Do not assume everyone is the same.

since that tax money goes to fund abortions how is that christian???

I oppose abortion at every possible turn. However, two wrongs, does not make a right.

Jesus himself, paid his taxes, even though the very people he paid taxes to, were the very people who had him killed. And he knew that at the time.

I've worked for bad employers that were violating the law. That didn't justify me extorting money, by threatening to turn them into the police.

One wrong actions, does not justify another wrong action.

that goes both ways,,,between me and my wife we paid about 50% tax burden last yr,,,how is that christian???

the christian method is 10%

Huh? Your tithe to the church, and paying your taxes are not the same. There is only one "christian method" to paying taxes.... that is to.... pay your taxes.

It is Christian, to follow the law, and pay your taxes. That is "how it is christian".

Jesus said very clearly "yield to ceasar what is ceasars". He didn't say "unless it's more than the temple tax, and then it isn't Christian, and it's ok to not pay your taxes."

to a point youre right,,,but at a point it becomes abusive, and we reached that yrs ago and the abortion aspect is a good example,,take from me and murder a child with the money,,,again not very christian

The only person that is required to be a Christian, is the Christian.

That's you. That's not anyone else. Only you.

You the Christian, are the person who is suppose to act like a Christian.

The mechanic that changes the oil in your car, could be using the money he earns to do drugs, to drink himself into oblivion, to gamble, to go to a prostitute, to buys gifts for his mistress cheating on his wife, he could even be paying for an abortion for his girlfriend that he doesn't want to take responsibility for.

Same is true of the banker you bank with, the plumber that fixes your shower, the guy who roofs your house, the person you bought your car from.

Does that mean you should never give your money to anyone throughout any part of society, because they might use the money you gave them in an unchristian manor?

If you believe that, then there is a group you can join, that follows that line of thinking. They are the Amish.

Because I guarantee there is an employee somewhere at the power company, using the money he earned providing you power, to look up kiddy porn on the internet.

So again.... vote for who represents your values the best. I absolutely support that.

But regardless, yield unto ceasars what is ceasars. The one you need to be worried about being Christian.... is you.

 

[progressive hunter]

since that tax money goes to fund abortions how is that christian???

I oppose abortion at every possible turn. However, two wrongs, does not make a right.

Jesus himself, paid his taxes, even though the very people he paid taxes to, were the very people who had him killed. And he knew that at the time.

I've worked for bad employers that were violating the law. That didn't justify me extorting money, by threatening to turn them into the police.

One wrong actions, does not justify another wrong action.

that goes both ways,,,between me and my wife we paid about 50% tax burden last yr,,,how is that christian???

the christian method is 10%

Huh? Your tithe to the church, and paying your taxes are not the same. There is only one "christian method" to paying taxes.... that is to.... pay your taxes.

It is Christian, to follow the law, and pay your taxes. That is "how it is christian".

Jesus said very clearly "yield to ceasar what is ceasars". He didn't say "unless it's more than the temple tax, and then it isn't Christian, and it's ok to not pay your taxes."

to a point youre right,,,but at a point it becomes abusive, and we reached that yrs ago and the abortion aspect is a good example,,take from me and murder a child with the money,,,again not very christian

The only person that is required to be a Christian, is the Christian.

That's you. That's not anyone else. Only you.

You the Christian, are the person who is suppose to act like a Christian.

The mechanic that changes the oil in your car, could be using the money he earns to do drugs, to drink himself into oblivion, to gamble, to go to a prostitute, to buys gifts for his mistress cheating on his wife, he could even be paying for an abortion for his girlfriend that he doesn't want to take responsibility for.

Same is true of the banker you bank with, the plumber that fixes your shower, the guy who roofs your house, the person you bought your car from.

Does that mean you should never give your money to anyone throughout any part of society, because they might use the money you gave them in an unchristian manor?

If you believe that, then there is a group you can join, that follows that line of thinking. They are the Amish.

Because I guarantee there is an employee somewhere at the power company, using the money he earned providing you power, to look up kiddy porn on the internet.

So again.... vote for who represents your values the best. I absolutely support that.

But regardless, yield unto ceasars what is ceasars. The one you need to be worried about being Christian.... is you.

your begging is getting pathetic,,,

you want to steal from me then have the courage to hold the gun yourself

you ******* commies are all the same,,,a bunch of ******* cowards

 

[progressive hunter]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

 

[Papageorgio]

Who are you talking about?

Tax cut economics is merely income redistribution that favors the richest the most.

So, who are you talking about, I am not sure who you are referring to when you say the "rich are too big to fail". I have watched many rich people have ideas, investments and businesses that have failed. Obama made companies that he claimed were to big too fail, but never anyone too rich to fail.

Where Is The Outrage Over Corporate Welfare?

I am against all corporate welfare, always have been. Now who are the rich that are too big to fail? I am not sure why you won't answer the simple questions, you seem to have trouble accounting for your words.

keeping up with terminology. unlike the right wing.

Too big to fail - Wikipedia

Still can’t answer the question? Who specifically are the rich that are too big to fail? Come on, name them, you claim they exist however you can’t name them?

 

[Moonglow]

I oppose abortion at every possible turn. However, two wrongs, does not make a right.

Jesus himself, paid his taxes, even though the very people he paid taxes to, were the very people who had him killed. And he knew that at the time.

I've worked for bad employers that were violating the law. That didn't justify me extorting money, by threatening to turn them into the police.

One wrong actions, does not justify another wrong action.

that goes both ways,,,between me and my wife we paid about 50% tax burden last yr,,,how is that christian???

the christian method is 10%

Huh? Your tithe to the church, and paying your taxes are not the same. There is only one "christian method" to paying taxes.... that is to.... pay your taxes.

It is Christian, to follow the law, and pay your taxes. That is "how it is christian".

Jesus said very clearly "yield to ceasar what is ceasars". He didn't say "unless it's more than the temple tax, and then it isn't Christian, and it's ok to not pay your taxes."

to a point youre right,,,but at a point it becomes abusive, and we reached that yrs ago and the abortion aspect is a good example,,take from me and murder a child with the money,,,again not very christian

The only person that is required to be a Christian, is the Christian.

That's you. That's not anyone else. Only you.

You the Christian, are the person who is suppose to act like a Christian.

The mechanic that changes the oil in your car, could be using the money he earns to do drugs, to drink himself into oblivion, to gamble, to go to a prostitute, to buys gifts for his mistress cheating on his wife, he could even be paying for an abortion for his girlfriend that he doesn't want to take responsibility for.

Same is true of the banker you bank with, the plumber that fixes your shower, the guy who roofs your house, the person you bought your car from.

Does that mean you should never give your money to anyone throughout any part of society, because they might use the money you gave them in an unchristian manor?

If you believe that, then there is a group you can join, that follows that line of thinking. They are the Amish.

Because I guarantee there is an employee somewhere at the power company, using the money he earned providing you power, to look up kiddy porn on the internet.

So again.... vote for who represents your values the best. I absolutely support that.

But regardless, yield unto ceasars what is ceasars. The one you need to be worried about being Christian.... is you.

your begging is getting pathetic,,,

you want to steal from me then have the courage to hold the gun yourself

you ******* commies are all the same,,,a bunch of ******* cowards

Then the US has had a history of communist since the 1840's.

 

[Moonglow]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

I'll tell that to my ninety year old Mother in law.

 

[progressive hunter]

Democrats: a bunch of rich people convincing poor people to vote for rich people by telling poor people that the other rich people are the reason they're poor.

Democrats support raising taxes on the wealthy, even themselves if they are wealthy
Rich Republicans vote to slash their own taxes and cut benefits to the poor

how are those benefits helping the poor???

so far its done more harm than good and prolonged their suffering,

its time they learn to live or die by their own accord ;like the rest of the world does

I'll tell that to my ninety year old Mother in law.

shes your mother not mine,,,so why are you stealing from me to take care of her???

do it yourself ,,,funny thing is we just bought the house next door for my mother in law so we can take on her care so the government/people dont have to

stop being a thief