What Judge Engelmayer's ruling says about JD Vance's gaslighting.

[berg80]

Vice President JD Vance pushed back against criticism of the Trump administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files, accusing Democrats of political opportunism and failing to act when they held power in an interview released on Sunday.

“President Trump has demanded full transparency from this. And yet somehow the Democrats are attacking him and not the Biden administration, which did nothing for four years,” Vance told Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures,” defending the administration’s approach to the unreleased documents.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/10/politics/vance-epstein-democrats

Judge Will Not Unseal Grand Jury Papers of Maxwell, Epstein’s Companion​

In his opinion Monday, Judge Engelmayer said that government had conceded that the grand jury information it wanted released largely duplicated the public record.

The push to unseal the records might be seen as an effort not “aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/11/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-transcripts.html

Consider this. JD says trump has demanded full transparency over the Epstein matter. IF THAT WERE TRUE HE WOULD HAVE ORDERED THE RELEASE OF THE DOCUMENTARY MATERIAL IN THE HANDS OF THE GOVERNMENT. All the accusations against the Biden admin JD can muster does not alter the fact that the trump DoJ is in possession of the docs and could release them today if trump so desired. The logical inference from his refusal to do so is there is something in the docs he doesn't want the public to know about. Judge Engelmayer just exposed the charade.

 

[shockedcanadian]

Vice President JD Vance pushed back against criticism of the Trump administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files, accusing Democrats of political opportunism and failing to act when they held power in an interview released on Sunday.

“President Trump has demanded full transparency from this. And yet somehow the Democrats are attacking him and not the Biden administration, which did nothing for four years,” Vance told Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures,” defending the administration’s approach to the unreleased documents.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/10/politics/vance-epstein-democrats

In his opinion Monday, Judge Engelmayer said that government had conceded that the grand jury information it wanted released largely duplicated the public record.

The push to unseal the records might be seen as an effort not “aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/11/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-transcripts.html

Consider this. JD says trump has demanded full transparency over the Epstein matter. IF THAT WERE TRUE HE WOULD HAVE ORDERED THE RELEASE OF THE DOCUMENTARY MATERIAL IN THE HANDS OF THE GOVERNMENT. All the accusations against the Biden admin JD can muster does not alter the fact that the trump DoJ is in possession of the docs and could release them today if trump so desired. The logical inference from his refusal to do so is there is something in the docs he doesn't want the public to know about. Judge Engelmayer just exposed the charade.

Grand jury testimony is provided under oath and is transparent. In short it is more credible than having 100s of thousands of pages in a library of files with the government and a single page or two with names is a eureka moment. Excuse me for my skepticism it wouldn't be tampered with. Grand jury testimony though, that's clear and unblemished.

 

[berg80]

Grand jury testimony is provided under oath and is transparent. In short it is more credible than having 100s of thousands of pages in a library of files with the government and a single page or two with names is a eureka moment. Excuse me for my skepticism it wouldn't be tampered with. Grand jury testimony though, that's clear and unblemished.

A Manhattan federal judge on Monday denied the government’s request to unseal grand jury transcripts from its investigation into Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime companion of Jeffrey Epstein who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for sexually exploiting and abusing teenage girls.

Unsealing the transcripts would be an exception to the secrecy of grand juries, wrote the judge supervising Ms. Maxwell’s case, Paul A. Engelmayer. Permitting such an exception “casually or promiscuously” would erode confidence in people called to testify before future panels, the judge wrote in a 31-page opinion.

He said the Justice Department’s “entire premise — that the Maxwell grand jury materials would bring to light meaningful new information about Epstein’s and Maxwell’s crimes, or the government’s investigation into them — is demonstrably false.”

Why? Because.....................

The government argued the transcripts should be released because of intense public interest in the case, but Judge Engelmayer wrote that anyone familiar with the trial record would “learn next to nothing new.”

“The materials do not identify any person other than Epstein and Maxwell as having had sexual contact with a minor,” the judge wrote. “They do not discuss or identify any client of Epstein’s or Maxwell’s. They do not reveal any heretofore unknown means or methods of Epstein’s or Maxwell’s crimes.”
The push to unseal the records might be seen as an effort not “aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

 

[shockedcanadian]

A Manhattan federal judge on Monday denied the government’s request to unseal grand jury transcripts from its investigation into Ghislaine Maxwell, a longtime companion of Jeffrey Epstein who is serving a 20-year prison sentence for sexually exploiting and abusing teenage girls.

Unsealing the transcripts would be an exception to the secrecy of grand juries, wrote the judge supervising Ms. Maxwell’s case, Paul A. Engelmayer. Permitting such an exception “casually or promiscuously” would erode confidence in people called to testify before future panels, the judge wrote in a 31-page opinion.

He said the Justice Department’s “entire premise — that the Maxwell grand jury materials would bring to light meaningful new information about Epstein’s and Maxwell’s crimes, or the government’s investigation into them — is demonstrably false.”

Why? Because.....................

The government argued the transcripts should be released because of intense public interest in the case, but Judge Engelmayer wrote that anyone familiar with the trial record would “learn next to nothing new.”

“The materials do not identify any person other than Epstein and Maxwell as having had sexual contact with a minor,” the judge wrote. “They do not discuss or identify any client of Epstein’s or Maxwell’s. They do not reveal any heretofore unknown means or methods of Epstein’s or Maxwell’s crimes.”
The push to unseal the records might be seen as an effort not “aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

Well,.the Epstein Files to me is a political game at this point and Trumps team should delease what they can without hurting peoples reputations. Someone surely added something to try and hurt Trump or others, that's my gut instinct. Otherwise, there wouldn't be such a push now but not under Biden. Certain political forces always need an equalizer or two in their pocket. Last time it was Russia, Russia. I will say this, releasing documents is fine. However, the reliability of such information at this point is waning with me. You'd probably see 100 names with some effort to hurt Trump, probably manufactured. They might throw in a few more prominent mainstream names as a ruse as long as they are already dead already to try and give the file validity . "Look, it must be true, they wouldnt throw prominent super donor Dem. ____ under the bus if it werent"! Trumps name was never associated for decades, at least not as an island visitor or creep. Never once was it raised. Now in politics, the game and history changes? Bidens team would have released it right as Trumps MarLago was raided to try and ruin his 2024 run. So clearly it did NOT exist beforehand. After Trump won, perhaps another insurance policy was required...

 

[SeaMajor7]

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA
J/6 J/6 J/6
EPSTEIN EPSTEIN EPSTEIN
TRUUUUUUUUUUMP

Do you assholes have any policy initiatives for the American People, or are you going to DIE on this hill of HATE?
Ridiculous.

 

[Grumblenuts]

The push to unseal the records might be seen as an effort not “aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

Far too many nots.

the trump DoJ is in possession of the docs and could release them today if trump so desired. The logical inference from his refusal to do so is there is something in the docs he doesn't want the public to know about.

That makes sense. One or more of Trump's major donors have demanded it be kept quiet as possible.

 

[Anomalism]

RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA
J/6 J/6 J/6
EPSTEIN EPSTEIN EPSTEIN
TRUUUUUUUUUUMP

Do you assholes have any policy initiatives for the American People, or are you going to DIE on this hill of HATE?
Ridiculous.

You're right, but hopefully you stay consistent next time Democrats are in control.

 

[berg80]

Someone surely added something to try and hurt Trump or others, that's my gut instinct.

What? Added something? Please explain.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Vance is worse than a billion Trumps…we know, we know.

So lefties DO NOT WANT ALL THE EPSTEIN DATA RELEASED?

EVERY DAY IT CHANGES.

Seems the left is happy with the judge’s ruling, yet they claim Trump is protecting himself.

So Trump sues to get the Grand Jury Epstein testimony released, and an activist judge says NO….AND THE LEFT IS HAPPY?

YOU MOTHERFUCKERS ARE SCHIZOPHRENIC.

 

[berg80]

Far too many nots.

But he is right. If trump wants transparency all he has to do is give the order to release the docs. Despite JD's gaslighting, trump wants to keep the public from seeing the docs.

 

[Lesh]

Exactly

Trump knows the grand jury testimony and flight logs won’t harm him or his buddies so he advocates releasing those

But all the rest of the files that the FBI and DOJ has?

Mmmm nope

Can’t have those

 

[berg80]

Exactly

Trump knows the grand jury testimony and flight logs won’t harm him or his buddies so he advocates releasing those

But all the rest of the files that the FBI and DOJ has?

Mmmm nope

Can’t have those

For JD to have made the absurd claim Dotard has demanded transparency........when he is doing the opposite.......is quintessentially Orwellian.

 

[DonGlock26]

Meanwhile, Boasberg is releasing a different grand jury's documents.

BREAKING: Judge Boasberg Orders Release of Documents Related to Jack Smith Classified Docs Case and Trump's Attorney-Client Privilege Fight | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Obama-appointed Judge James Boasberg ordered the release of documents related to Jack Smith’s classified documents case and President Trump’s attorney-client privilege dispute.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2025mc0008-6

 

[cnm]

Meanwhile, Boasberg is releasing a different grand jury's documents.

BREAKING: Judge Boasberg Orders Release of Documents Related to Jack Smith Classified Docs Case and Trump's Attorney-Client Privilege Fight | The Gateway Pundit | by Cristina Laila

Obama-appointed Judge James Boasberg ordered the release of documents related to Jack Smith’s classified documents case and President Trump’s attorney-client privilege dispute.

www.thegatewaypundit.com

https://ecf.dcd.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2025mc0008-6

In part and denied in part.

 

[DonGlock26]

Ah, transparency.

No transparency from the Epstein case judge.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Vice President JD Vance pushed back against criticism of the Trump administration’s handling of the Jeffrey Epstein files, accusing Democrats of political opportunism and failing to act when they held power in an interview released on Sunday.

“President Trump has demanded full transparency from this. And yet somehow the Democrats are attacking him and not the Biden administration, which did nothing for four years,” Vance told Fox News’ “Sunday Morning Futures,” defending the administration’s approach to the unreleased documents.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/08/10/politics/vance-epstein-democrats

Judge Will Not Unseal Grand Jury Papers of Maxwell, Epstein’s Companion​

In his opinion Monday, Judge Engelmayer said that government had conceded that the grand jury information it wanted released largely duplicated the public record.

The push to unseal the records might be seen as an effort not “aimed not at ‘transparency’ but at diversion — aimed not at full disclosure but at the illusion of such,” the judge wrote.

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/08/11/nyregion/jeffrey-epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-transcripts.html

Consider this. JD says trump has demanded full transparency over the Epstein matter. IF THAT WERE TRUE HE WOULD HAVE ORDERED THE RELEASE OF THE DOCUMENTARY MATERIAL IN THE HANDS OF THE GOVERNMENT. All the accusations against the Biden admin JD can muster does not alter the fact that the trump DoJ is in possession of the docs and could release them today if trump so desired. The logical inference from his refusal to do so is there is something in the docs he doesn't want the public to know about. Judge Engelmayer just exposed the charade.

Everything trump is doing these days is an attempt to divert from his paedo past.

 

[DonGlock26]

Everything trump is doing these days is an attempt to divert from his paedo past.

The pedo past that the Democrats didn't reveal during the four years of the Biden admin.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There was none. Why are MAGA protecting GOP pedos?

The pedo past that the Democrats didn't reveal during the four years of the Biden admin.

 

[DonGlock26]

There was none. Why are MAGA protecting GOP pedos?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

There was none. Why are MAGA protecting GOP pedos?

DonGlock: 26

You demonstrate my point.