What is your breaking point?

[grunt11b]

The world doesn't give a rats ass about us, they are pissed off at us, mostly because of our own economic situation that has riffled to there own countries. I used to think the one world order crowd was crazy, but the more I learn about it the more it makes sense in the direction we and many other countries are headed. That and look at how many presidents in the past has mentioned "One world order". Nobody is coming to our rescue, noone.
FDR set precedent in encampments in the 40's after pearl harbor was bombed when he interned the japanese citizens, the fema camps where built for incarceration, not to help people in need after a hurricane. Everything these people have brought to the table in the last 100 years has been designed to transform this country from what it once was into a tyranny. It's all on schedule and there will be an endgame.
To be naive is to be willing to let it happen. Everybody always says it could never happen here, I say it is already happening.

Half the dudes in Government TRULY hate each other

Wrongo. Its all for show. They can work together and pass a bill that is corporate spending just fine. Infringement of rights? No problemo. More war? Ok. Defense spending? they are right on it.

It is all a show for tv. Its keeping us divided and conquered. As soon as the camera's are off or behind closed doors they are buddy buddy.

Patriots like Jesse Ventura (conspiracy theory nuttiness aside) has told us these things when he first left office. You are being scammed.

I agree, but I think the new tea party candidates threw a wrench into the gears of business as usual though. They held firm and said nope, this shit is not happening. While the rinos and dems continue the show.

 

[grunt11b]

The Government has nukes. Your guns are irrelevant to them. They're not going to put us in "camps" and shit dude. It's 2012. The whole world is watching.

They did in the 40's and the Constitution is a damned sight weaker today.

Yea, in the 40's, and the people mwho did it are dead now, and it was the Japanese during a war vs. the Japanese. Color me shocked, they did something stupid in the 40's.

History repeats itself if you do not learn from it, isn't that the saying? And you should know as well as anybody else that everything that happens in america sets precedent. FDR got away with it, so that can be invoked into someone else getting away with it.

 

[grunt11b]

Not one republican name is on that bill, not one republican voted it into law, the left owns it, the democrats own it. That's all there is to it. Remember Obama getting his shit all up in a bundle because he could not get one republican to go along with it? He wanted it to be bipartisan so bad, so he could shift blame, didn't get it, so know he and his party own every bit of it and the beginning of there political suffering happened in 2010, more to come in 2012.

^ this is my point.

It was a Republican idea, and all of a sudden because there's a D President they're somehow 100% in opposition.

Absolutely. Had it been presented under Republican control it would have been applauded by the same people as a brilliant private sector solution.

It would not have been signed into law by the Republicans, maybe 10 or so, but the majority would never have went along with the individual mandate, only the rinos would have.

 

[Ernie S.]

My breaking points are the continuing attempts by the RW to give "big gubmint" more control of my personal life and decisions as defined by neo-con morals.

Can you explain who in the RW is doing this and what exactly they are doing to gain control of your personal life and decisions?
Also, would you agree that the individual mandate in obamacare "All signed into law by the left" would also take control of your personal life and decisions on healthcare?

Do I really need to explain?

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as abortion.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal conversations between patients and doctors. If a patient doesn't want their doctor to ask about guns in the home they can simply not answer or change doctors.

I don't want the gubmint telling someone they can't get married just because they are gay.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as euthanaisia.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as recreational drug use.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as life and death decision like it did with Terri Schiavo's family.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as whether a woman (or man) chooses to sell their time and bodies for sexual services.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in spying on me and support repeal of the so-called Patriot Act.

Oh....as for the "individual mandate"? NOW all of the sudden it's "socialism" when it was originally a wingnut sponsored idea?

So let me get this straight. You're a drug addled murdering pimp who doesn't know how to use a dictionary, right?

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

It's not a liberty to drive by a public road without a check-point man. I mean, if that's all I lose then I'm ok to sleep at night.

Little by little they become just that much more intrusive, until one day you wake up and are like "What **** happened", where did my country go".

i agree. at any one moment, it doesn't feel like we're losing much. wait, i think someone warned us of this. here ya go...


“"The liberties of our country, the freedoms of our civil Constitution are worth defending at all hazards; it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors. They purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood. It will bring a mark of everlasting infamy on the present generation – enlightened as it is – if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or to be cheated out of them by the artifices of designing men." -Samuel Adams”

 

[Ernie S.]

It's not a liberty to drive by a public road without a check-point man. I mean, if that's all I lose then I'm ok to sleep at night.

So you approve of unreasonable search and seizure.

Figures...............

They dont search your car unless they have probable cause. Weed smell, etc.
And lets not forget, we're talking about Public roads, not private ones which is a big distinction which I'm sure misses you.

Have you ever been through a police DWI check point?

So asking you to prove you are eligible to vote is bad, but stopping you to see if you're eligible to drive is good?

 

[CaughtInTheMid]

“The tyranny of a prince in an oligarchy is not so dangerous to the public welfare as the apathy of a citizen in a democracy”

 

[xotoxi]

The second amendment was placed into the constitution by the founders for that sole purpose, so that the citizens have a means to protect themselves from government.

And the Constitution was written back when the the citizen's and the government's firearms were equal in power and effectiveness.


As with a lot in the Constitution, the purpose behind the amendment is not really applicable today.


Who's gonna win?

 

[grunt11b]

^ this is my point.

It was a Republican idea, and all of a sudden because there's a D President they're somehow 100% in opposition.

Having a shitty idea and signing a shitty idea into law are two different things.

Yea, the difference being who was in office and wanting to make them look bad.......not "all of a sudden" having a eureka moment that it's a bad idea.

You were born, but I'm sure it wasn't yesterday.

If obama and the democrats knew it would make them look bad, they should not have signed it into law. Bottom line is, they are nanny staters and could not resist the temptation at a power grab. They did not even read the bill for christ sakes, and admitted to it!

 

[AmericanFirst]

What is your breaking point? Taking your guns? Taxing you more? Taking away your right to assemble? Freedom of speech? government corruption? I believe everyone has one and I am curious as to what the majority think. Personally mine is the freedom to bear arms as it is the last fail safe or line of defense in the event of a rogue government. Thank You for any input.

Most of the industrialized world is freer than we are and gun ownership is rare.

People who can only feel "free" if they own a gun have deep seated insecurities.

Guess what guy, the government will always have more guns, better guns and they will be better with them. And if the government ever feels the need to take you out, it will be to the cheers of your neighbors because you frighten the children.

I have 4 guns. I own them because the 2nd amendment gives me that RIGHT. The 2nd amendment was written to protect citizens against a tyranical gov't. To say I am insecure because I own guns is not smart. I am a retired Federal Law Enforcement officer and could carry concealed anywhere in the continental US I choose to. I don't though because it is MY choice.

 

[grunt11b]

All you people who do not feel less free, go open a small business and then get back to me. Ya, you dont feel any less free so long as you conform to the system. Step out of line at all and get back to me.

Let your car tag expire. Forget to send in your property taxes. Try and open a radio station. Try and broadcast television. Spank your kids. etc etc etc.

You are not free. Name one thing you can do that you do not either directly or indirectly ask the government for permission for.

Going to the movies? Nope, government regulates the movies.

Listen to the radio? Nope, FCC controls that.

Looking at a hot chick at work? Nope, government regulated.

Growing your own garden? Nope, thats against the law.

On and on and on. Sheep in line to be slaughtered proclaim there own freedom until the end.

I have my own garden. It's not illega. I'm in Upstate NY.
Rush is on the radio everyday, bashing the **** out of the Government. Some "control" they have.
The movies? pppfffft.

I can look at hot chicks any time I want at work.

My car tag is b/c I'm driving on PUBLIC roads, not roads that I own. I'm free to have no tags on my own driveway - FACT.

YOU'RE HYSTERICAL.

Check the below link out.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wickard_v._Filburn

 

[Mr Natural]

Maybe I'll get concerned when I start hearing grumblings of people being dragged from their homes at three AM and sent to gulags for minor infractions.

 

[grunt11b]

Can you explain who in the RW is doing this and what exactly they are doing to gain control of your personal life and decisions?
Also, would you agree that the individual mandate in obamacare "All signed into law by the left" would also take control of your personal life and decisions on healthcare?

Do I really need to explain?

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as abortion.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal conversations between patients and doctors. If a patient doesn't want their doctor to ask about guns in the home they can simply not answer or change doctors.

I don't want the gubmint telling someone they can't get married just because they are gay.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as euthanaisia.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as recreational drug use.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as life and death decision like it did with Terri Schiavo's family.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in personal decisions such as whether a woman (or man) chooses to sell their time and bodies for sexual services.

I don't want the gubmint involving itself in spying on me and support repeal of the so-called Patriot Act.

Oh....as for the "individual mandate"? NOW all of the sudden it's "socialism" when it was originally a wingnut sponsored idea?

So let me get this straight. You're a drug addled murdering pimp who doesn't know how to use a dictionary, right?

 

[Full-Auto]

So you approve of unreasonable search and seizure.

Figures...............

They dont search your car unless they have probable cause. Weed smell, etc.
And lets not forget, we're talking about Public roads, not private ones which is a big distinction which I'm sure misses you.

Have you ever been through a police DWI check point?

So asking you to prove you are eligible to vote is bad, but stopping you to see if you're eligible to drive is good?

I wonder if the clown is aware that not all states allow random stops for searches.

He is even aware of what a random stop is?

 

[Ernie S.]

The Government has nukes. Your guns are irrelevant to them. They're not going to put us in "camps" and shit dude. It's 2012. The whole world is watching.

They did in the 40's and the Constitution is a damned sight weaker today.

Yea, in the 40's, and the people mwho did it are dead now, and it was the Japanese during a war vs. the Japanese. Color me shocked, they did something stupid in the 40's.

Why is it such a far leap to think it couldn't happen again; this time with political enemies?
Every communist country started out with the same Utopian ideals Progressives have now, but resorted to "reeducation camps" to squash dissent.

 

[grunt11b]

So you approve of unreasonable search and seizure.

Figures...............

They dont search your car unless they have probable cause. Weed smell, etc.
And lets not forget, we're talking about Public roads, not private ones which is a big distinction which I'm sure misses you.

Have you ever been through a police DWI check point?

So asking you to prove you are eligible to vote is bad, but stopping you to see if you're eligible to drive is good?