What is Russia's Ultimate Goal in Ukraine?

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Putin seems to be painting himself into a corner by issuing increasingly strident threats regarding outside interference in the Ukraine war. Russia's seeming inability to win that war is undermining the reputation of its military capabilities and its standing in world affairs. If Putin's goal was a demilitarized (and non-NATO) Ukraine, that is becoming less likely. And incorporating that country into a new Russian Federation makes no more sense than the US adding Cuba as a 51st state.

I don't know what Putin's goal is at this point. Is it primarily to stay in power and/or pursue a personal vendetta against Zelensky? I think President Trump gave Putin an off ramp during his public break with Zelensky, but Putin didn't take it. Is his political standing inside Russia more fragile than we thought? Will Putin repeat LBJ's mistakes in Viet Nam?
 
jwoodie said:
Putin seems to be painting himself into a corner by issuing increasingly strident threats regarding outside interference in the Ukraine war. Russia's seeming inability to win that war is undermining the reputation of its military capabilities and its standing in world affairs. If Putin's goal was a demilitarized (and non-NATO) Ukraine, that is becoming less likely. And incorporating that country into a new Russian Federation makes no more sense than the US adding Cuba as a 51st state.

I don't know what Putin's goal is at this point. Is it primarily to stay in power and/or pursue a personal vendetta against Zelensky? I think President Trump gave Putin an off ramp during his public break with Zelensky, but Putin didn't take it. Is his political standing inside Russia more fragile than we thought? Will Putin repeat LBJ's mistakes in Viet Nam?
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Vietnam was 12000 miles from LBJ so different situation, and Russia is winning the war but you should think yourself lucky Putin is such a humanitarian, if i was fighting Zelensky and the Banderites i would have destroyed Kiev a long time ago.
 
jwoodie said:
Putin seems to be painting himself into a corner by issuing increasingly strident threats regarding outside interference in the Ukraine war. Russia's seeming inability to win that war is undermining the reputation of its military capabilities and its standing in world affairs. If Putin's goal was a demilitarized (and non-NATO) Ukraine, that is becoming less likely. And incorporating that country into a new Russian Federation makes no more sense than the US adding Cuba as a 51st state.

I don't know what Putin's goal is at this point. Is it primarily to stay in power and/or pursue a personal vendetta against Zelensky? I think President Trump gave Putin an off ramp during his public break with Zelensky, but Putin didn't take it. Is his political standing inside Russia more fragile than we thought? Will Putin repeat LBJ's mistakes in Viet Nam?
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He will hide behind the bodies of his citizens.

Napoleon lead the charge in battles and almost died on a couple of occasions. Due to this he was forced to the back ranks.

Leaders today are fine with war because they know they won't have to fight them.
 
Vladimir Putin has frequently expressed strong negative views on the collapse of the Soviet Union, referring to it as the "greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the 20th century". This sentiment is often interpreted as a motivation to restore Russian influence and power, potentially echoing aspects of the Soviet-era geopolitical stature,

Putin is now ruling over an economy of a size between Canada and Mexico.

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jwoodie said:
I don't know what Putin's goal is at this point. Is it primarily to stay in power and/or pursue a personal vendetta against Zelensky? I think President Trump gave Putin an off ramp during his public break with Zelensky, but Putin didn't take it. Is his political standing inside Russia more fragile than we thought?
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Like he ever had any trouble with staying in power. What vendetta can there be between Putin and this dirt from under nails, which is Zelensky to him? He tolerates Trump so long as he's not openly hostile to him as the previous dickhead and there was a glimmer of hope to restore some semblance of dialog between the two countries when the change of power occurred. He declared his goals on day one and never wavered on any of them. Denazified and demilitarized Ukraine, haven't you heard of that already? This is what is being done day in day out. Do they still feed you that bs there about the Russian human waves, washing machine chips and seventeen Patriot systems? You barely have them to cover your own ass or that of Israel, besides even if you were able to provide them, with the cost of a rocket nearing $4 mil and 600 Geraniums only pummeling Ukieland almost every day now, how long could Europe, as long as it is supposed to be paying for the war, sustain the financial burden of backing it up?
 
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AlexanderPK said:
He declared his goals on day one and never wavered on any of them. Denazified and demilitarized Ukraine, haven't you heard of that already? This is what is being done day in day out.
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1. So Putin has no territorial goals in Ukraine?
2. How is he going to "denazify" Ukraine without occupying it (e.g., Germany after WW2)?
3. What is being done "day in day out" to demilitarize Ukraine.

I am happy to discuss this in rational manner, but I will not put up with petty insults. Your choice.
 
jwoodie said:
1. So Putin has no territorial goals in Ukraine?
2. How is he going to "denazify" Ukraine without occupying it (e.g., Germany after WW2)?
3. What is being done "day in day out" to demilitarize Ukraine.

I am happy to discuss this in rational manner, but I will not put up with petty insults. Your choice.
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There's no goal of gaining ground quickly. That's where the seeming inability to win the war probably comes from. What do you need big arrow offensives for, where you're bound to lose lots of your men, when day in and day out Ukies feed themselves to the grinder on their own? What other than denazification and demilitarization is that when around 1,5 mil KIAs and two times that of wounded Hohols have lost already? Give them time and they'll burn themselves to the ground like a candle burning slowly does. Of course they are crying out loud that they are fine, just give them weapons and money and they'll wove mountains and dig up another Black Sea, but don't you sense that it's all bullshit and the West has got tons of its own problems to feed the freeloaders forever?
 
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jwoodie here's a link to a sensible guy, one of your own at that, reasonable enough to look at the problem unbiased. At least that's how I see him to be like.
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AlexanderPK said:
There's no goal of gaining ground quickly. That's where the seeming inability to win the war probably comes from. What do you need big arrow offensives for, where you're bound to lose lots of your men, when day in and day out Ukies feed themselves to the grinder on their own? What other than denazification and demilitarization is that when around 1,5 mil KIAs and two times that of wounded Hohols have lost already? Give them time and they'll burn themselves to the ground like a candle burning slowly does. Of course they are crying out loud that they are fine, just give them weapons and money and they'll wove mountains and dig up another Black Sea, but don't you sense that it's all bullshit and the West has got tons of its own problems to feed the freeloaders forever?
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As I have posted on several occasions, I don't think the US (or NATO) should be involved in the Russia-Ukraine conflict. I do think that the Obama/Biden administrations had nefarious dealings in Ukraine and became involved to cover that up. President Trump inherited that situation and been seeking a peaceful settlement in order to save lives and establish normalized economic relations with Russia. Unfortunately, this has not been possible.

As a result, we have an increasingly polarized geopolitical situation wherein Western Europe is preparing for a potential war with Russia. For them, the key question is what is Russia's ultimate goal in this conflict. Just as Russia doesn't want the line of potential conflict moved eastward, the Europeans don't want that line moved westward.

The "denazification" of Ukraine seems to be a hollow excuse for continuing this conflict. If it is to protect its ethnic Russian population from persecution, that has largely been accomplished. Despite its alleged use of Nazi symbolism, Ukraine hardly poses a serious threat of invading Russia (other than retaliatory tactical strikes). Even the idiotic idea of a Ukraine joining NATO is no longer under serious consideration. Thus, even a slow occupation of the entire country by Russia seems unwarranted and unnecessary. If not for further territorial gain, what is the benefit to Russia?

P.S. I am very familiar with Daniel Davis and the other talking heads on YouTube. They have been predicting Ukraine's collapse for the past three years. At the rate things are going, it may take 30 years.
 
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jwoodie said:
President Trump inherited that situation and been seeking a peaceful settlement in order to save lives and establish normalized economic relations with Russia.
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We searched for a settlement for quite a long time, lamentably nobody listened, now with the Ukies having screwed things so much up since 2014 we can't just let it slide and leave them be. There'll have to be peace in the end but first every Bandera scumbag must be held accountable or just plain killed. We can't stop the exorcism midway, all the rotten flesh must be removed so as not to contaminate the healthy one that we hope still exists there. So Trump or whoever can pound sand, 12 day ultimatum or whatever. Hate to sound poetic but a tree stands seemingly strong until the last stroke. The rate hohols are being exterminated with we won't have to wait 30 years for it.
 
jwoodie said:
P.S. I am very familiar with Daniel Davis and the other talking heads on YouTube. They have been predicting Ukraine's collapse for the past three years. At the rate things are going, it may take 30 years.
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Those from the other side have been predicting Russia would run out of shells, missiles, money, chocolate bars and washing machines. Daniel though, being an American that he was, thought we'd bomb the hell out of Ukraine the usual American way, and be done with it. We turned out to be more humane than that, knowing that the brain washed would come to eventually and live happily ever after together with us again, so we're careful enough to not hurt civilians, hence the other reason the pace is not that fast as he believed it would be.
 
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