Zone1 What is race realism?

[IM2]

OK, I just had a brilliant idea as to how to solve the problem with lowering admissions standards for blacks (which is the case) in order for enough of them to get into prestigious colleges (which seems to be 14% of the student body) WITHOUT unfairly discriminating against higher scoring whites and Asians, who are rejected to make room for a certain number of blacks to get in, and ALSO simultaneously still giving black kids with lower scores a chance at a great university.

Let’s NOT keep dropping the minimal SAT score to allow for more blacks to get in. Let’s Instead encourage black kids to get the equivalent, or better, scores than whites and Asians (speaking in terms of the mean).

INSTEAD, why don’t prestigious colleges encourage the practice whereby blacks, or anybody else, who have scores that are below the “white accepted standard” NOT apply, but instead enroll in a one-year post high school program designed to fill in the missing educational gaps and enable them to score much better on the SAT? Instead of colleges eliminating the SAT because black kids aren’t doing as well in them, which is happening, let’s work on getting the black kids* up to a more competitive level before applying, and thus, one year later, they are applying with equivalent scores to whites and Asians? Now wouldn‘t that be more fair to everyone?

* This one-year SAT enrichment program would only be taken by black kids with scores that would be too low for whites to get in. The black kids with scores equal or better than whites could apply directly from high school.

This is no solution. It is just more claims of inherent black inferiority.

 

[IM2]

There is no white accepted standard.

 

[Lisa558]

My first thought would be who would pay for it? Among the the things that make a difference in admissions and test scores are the availability of advanced placement courses and whether one can afford special tutoring or courses on SAT’s.

Oh, that is easily accomplished. It could be held at the community college or even the local community center, and the cost would be borne by Pell Grants, just like community college is for lower incomes.

 

[Lisa558]

This is no solution. It is just more claims of inherent black inferiority.

Well I’d expect that nasty retort from you. If thought they were inferior, I wouldn’t think that a year prep course could bring them up to white scores, now would I?

What I see from leftists is anogher smack in the face when whitey brings up a good solution.

ALSO….accusing people of claiming blacks are inferior is the same thing as calling them racist. It’s amazing the stuff you get away with.

 

[IM2]

Race realism is not something I was familiar with until relatively recently so I looked it up to be sure:

race realist - Wiktionary, the free dictionary

en.wiktionary.org

Adjective[edit]​

race realist (not comparable)

1. Pertaining to the belief that scientific evidence exists for inborn racial differences, sometimes used to support racial discrimination, or the idea that some racial groups are inferior to others.

It is also know as “scientific racism”

Scientific racism - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Scientific racism, sometimes termed biological racism, is the pseudoscientific belief that empirical evidence exists to support or justify racism (racial discrimination), racial inferiority, or racial superiority.[1][2][3][4] Historically, scientific racism received credence throughout the scientific community, but it is no longer considered scientific.[2][3] Dividing humankind into biologically distinct groups is sometimes called racialism, race realism, or race science by its proponents. Modern scientific consensus rejects this view as being irreconcilable with modern genetic research.[5]: 360 


Sound familiar? It should. It use be called plain old fashioned “racism”.

White supremacists (by no means the majority of whites) have been actively working to rebrand themselves. No more tattoos skinheads, they are now garbed in suits and ties, dockers and polo shirts. Instead of racist and antisemitic slurs, they reference pseudo science and benign code words. They aren’t burning crosses or painting swastikas, they’re referencing black crime rates, and genetically lower IQ. They’re ostensibly at a rally supporting confederate monuments yet carrying torches and chanting “Jews shall not replace us”

That is what this OP is about. Make white supremacy palatable.

This is what I have been saying for the past few years. Thank you for your ability to see the same thing.

 

[Coyote]

Oh, that is easily accomplished. It could be held at the community college or even the local community center, and the cost would be borne by Pell Grants, just like community college is for lower incomes.

It is an intiguing idea broadly, but Pell Grants can’t possibly cover it all. It would be a better use of the grant to cover courses needed for college then for test taking. In fact GPA’s are a better predictor of success than standardized tests.

 

[Coyote]

Well I’d expect that nasty retort from you. If thought they were inferior, I wouldn’t think that a year prep course could bring them up to white scores, now would I?

What I see from leftists is anogher smack in the face when whitey brings up a good solution.

ALSO….accusing people of claiming blacks are inferior is the same thing as calling them racist. It’s amazing the stuff you get away with.

No it isn’t Lisa, it is attacking your arguments, not you as a member. Big difference. Thing is, report it if you think it’s violation, rather than here in the thread where it is basically off topic.

 

[IM2]

Well I’d expect that nasty retort from you. If thought they were inferior, I wouldn’t think that a year prep course could bring them up to white scores, now would I?

What I see from leftists is anogher smack in the face when whitey brings up a good solution.

The fact you keep ignoring and excusing white legacy students with even lower scores and suggest that only blacks need this one year, you are indeed saying blacks are inherently inferior. Lisa you aren't fooling anybody with this. Your attitude and beliefs are being enabled by the rules. What you believe is debunked trash, and you purposefully ignore preferences for whites.

Blacks are meeting admissions standards to get into college. You crap dismisses the fact that 5 times more whites exist than everyone else and it is only because more whites are taking tests that they have more high scores. You also ignore that such tests have been proven not to be accurate indicators of intelligence. And when you single out a black 3.2 student as lowered standards when admissions requires a 2.0, then you show that your argument is not based on truth.

I asked what University you worked for. Can I get an answer please?

 

[Lisa558]

It is an intiguing idea broadly, but Pell Grants can’t possibly cover it all. It would be a better use of the grant to cover courses needed for college then for test taking. In fact GPA’s are a better predictor of success than standardized tests.

That’s true, but it’s too late to do anything about the GPA, but not too late for the SAT.

And why would you think the Pell Grant wouldn’t cover it? The last I checked - I’ve been retired for a while, so I don’t know the latest $$$ - the Pell covered the cost of community college. This would involve a similar level of expenditure.

Also, if the grant were applied to cover courses needed for college, instead of SAT prep, it doesn’t address the illegal discrimination (you don’t think it is, but the SCOTUS will rule so) of admitting blacks with scores so much lower than whites and Asians that are rejected. True, there would still be a discrepancy in GPAs, but at least part of the issue is solved.

And you know me….I like to be a problem-solver!

 

[IM2]

Lisa if you are saying that admissions are lowered for blacks, you are saying blacks are inferior. Now you just aren't going to get to make these kinds of comments without a challenge.

 

[Lisa558]

No it isn’t Lisa, it is attacking your arguments, not you as a member. Big difference. Thing is, report it if you think it’s violation, rather than here in the thread where it is basically off topic.

He accused me of saying blacks are inferior. Here I am, coming up with a solution, and he still insults me - and you defend him.

 

[IM2]

That’s true, but it’s too late to do anything about the GPA, but not too late for the SAT.

And why would you think the Pell Grant wouldn’t cover it? The last I checked - I’ve been retired for a while, so I don’t know the latest $$$ - the Pell covered the cost of community college. This would involve a similar level of expenditure.

Also, if the grant were applied to cover courses needed for college, instead of SAT prep, it doesn’t address the illegal discrimination (you don’t think it is, but the SCOTUS will rule so) of admitting blacks with scores so much lower than whites and Asians that are rejected. True, there would still be a discrepancy in GPAs, but at least part of the issue is solved.

And you know me….I like to be a problem-solver!

Blacks are not getting into colleges without meeting the minimum GPA needed for admission.There is no need for what you suggest.

 

[IM2]

He accused me of saying blacks are inferior. Here I am, coming up with a solution, and he still insults me - and you defend him.

What you present is not a solution because the problem you assume does not exist. As a black man with a college education that you claim I got because of some kind of special favoritism, your entire argument is insulting. Seems that you think you have the right to insult black people and we just have to take it.

 

[Lisa558]

Lisa if you are saying that admissions are lowered for blacks, you are saying blacks are inferior. Now you just aren't going to get to make these kinds of comments without a challenge.

I explained why that isn’t the case, and you are not going to deflect from my solution by trying to put me in the defensive.

Now, focus….isn’t the idea of a one-year SAT prep program to bring the scores of blacks up better than just ushering them in via lowered standards? The other advantage is that they’d be able to better compete once IN the university.

And again, I am only talking about the 2 out of 3 blacks admitted under lowered requirements. The 1 out of 3 who qualify under the white standards don’t need the prep work, of course.

 

[Lisa558]

What you present is not a solution because the problem you assume does notvexist.

Of course it’s a problem. You think the SCOTUS is reviewing the case of using race as a factor in deciding whom to admit or reject because they have too much free time on their hands?

You are in major denial, and I expect you will be ————- bricks when the SCOTUS rules racial discrimination illegal.

 

[IM2]

I explained why that isn’t the case, and you are not going to deflect from my solution by trying to put me in the defensive.

Now, focus….isn’t the idea of a one-year SAT prep program to bring the scores of blacks up better than just ushering them in via lowered standards? The other advantage is that they’d be able to better compete once IN the university.

And again, I am only talking about the 2 out of 3 blacks admitted under lowered requirements. The 1 out of 3 who qualify under the white standards don’t need the prep work, of course.

There are no lowered standards for blacks and the SAT is not an accurate assessment. That's why more and more colleges are making it optional. Your beliefs belong in the stone age and what you presented is no solution.

There is already a solution for people who may not be academically ready for University. It's called community college. Now try telling me how they lower standards for blacks to get into community college or how all blacks need to go to community college then claim you're not calling blacks inferior.

 

[Coyote]

That’s true, but it’s too late to do anything about the GPA, but not too late for the SAT.

And why would you think the Pell Grant wouldn’t cover it? The last I checked - I’ve been retired for a while, so I don’t know the latest $$$ - the Pell covered the cost of community college. This would involve a similar level of expenditure.

Also, if the grant were applied to cover courses needed for college, instead of SAT prep, it doesn’t address the illegal discrimination (you don’t think it is, but the SCOTUS will rule so) of admitting blacks with scores so much lower than whites and Asians that are rejected. True, there would still be a discrepancy in GPAs, but at least part of the issue is solved.

And you know me….I like to be a problem-solver!

Well, first off, a Supreme Court ruled the current practice was legal, and that has been upheld multiple times. So if the current Court overturns all of that precedent….ok, it is illegal, on very weak grounds. And a future Supreme Court may overturn given precedent and settled law no longer means. Pretty much, this no longer means anything accept it makes you happy.

If they use a Pell grant for the sole purpose of getting better test scores, what options will they have for future funding for actual classes. More and more universities are moving away from test scores (which pisses off a lucrative industry devoted to just that)…and no SCOTUS ruling will change that. Nor can the courts force private Universities to admit based on test s ores or GPA’s alone. All they can do is rule that race can not be considered as a factor….of course that means neither can gender or ethnicity.

 

[IM2]

Of course it’s a problem. You think the SCOTUS is reviewing the case of using race as a factor in deciding whom to admit or reject because they have too much free time on their hands?

You are in major denial, and I expect you will be ————- bricks when the SCOTUS rules racial discrimination illegal.

No, it's not a problem. SCOTUS is reviewing AN APPEAL that was REJECTED by a district court.

Racial discrimination was outlawed in 1964. What people like you call racial discrimination is equal opportunity. If SCOTUS rules your way, young white women will be screwed the most

 

[Coyote]

Of course it’s a problem. You think the SCOTUS is reviewing the case of using race as a factor in deciding whom to admit or reject because they have too much free time on their hands?

You are in major denial, and I expect you will be ————- bricks when the SCOTUS rules racial discrimination illegal.

Of course not, it is because they are a rightwing activist court intent on an agenda untethered from decades of established precedent.

 

[Coyote]

I explained why that isn’t the case, and you are not going to deflect from my solution by trying to put me in the defensive.

Now, focus….isn’t the idea of a one-year SAT prep program to bring the scores of blacks up better than just ushering them in via lowered standards? The other advantage is that they’d be able to better compete once IN the university.

And again, I am only talking about the 2 out of 3 blacks admitted under lowered requirements. The 1 out of 3 who qualify under the white standards don’t need the prep work, of course.

They aren’t admitted under lowered requirements, they still have to meet the stated admissions requirements.