What in the hell is wrong with people?

[Pete7469]

The main difference is what the goals are.

There is no difference in goals with respect to private or public sector employees. Individuals have a myriad of goals, aspirations, dreams, objectives, wants, needs and desires and they all differ from person to person. MOST people want to satisfy their bosses by proving their value as an employee. No one that I know of works because they don't care about money and just like to work... not to say there aren't a few, but I don't know of any and never have. I've never known of anyone to turn down a raise or offer to give back part of their salary because they didn't feel they deserved it.

and most people don't get the raises they deserve. WHatever...

Right... and daisies don't shoot out our ass when we fart! Life's not fair. We don't live in Utopia. There is never going to be a time when everyone gets everything they deserve and all our problems are resolved and everyone is happy and content. That existence is a fantasy. You live in a Narnia world.

In a free market capitalist society, like the one we live in, people are paid according to supply and demand for their services. If you don't make what you feel you deserve, you are free to seek out an employer who is willing to pay you what you deserve. If you can't find one, it's probably because someone else is willing to do the same work for less.




Well YOU may not see how, but YOU'RE not the one paying the money out. YOU are not privy to all the information and you're making a determination on sheer emotion. The CEO is most definitely paid on basis of merit with regard to performance. If any capitalist could hire a cheaper CEO to do the same job, they would do so, because a capitalist is in business to make the most profit possible. If you believe a company could make do with a cheaper CEO, you are free to go out there and start your own company and hire a cheap CEO and prove your point.

Guy, we highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world. We have the lowest life expectancy. We have 62% of personal bankruptcies linked to medical crisis. (75% of those people had insurance when the crisis started.) We spend 17% of our GDP on health care while other countries spend 8-11%. One out of four Americans had no health coverage or inadequate health coverage before the ACA.

You are regurgitating statistics that have been cherry-picked and manipulated in order to sell nationalized health care. We've been listening to this shit for 8 years now. Nothing Obamacare did is going to decrease the cost of healthcare or make it more available or improve the quality of it. NOTHING!

Why do we have such a high infant morality rate? Because we are able to avoid stillborn babies by intervening the pregnancy in order to try and save them. This means more of them are born and counted as first day deaths where in another country they would never be counted because they would have been stillborn.

You're contradicting your own argument with the bankruptcy point, you said yourself that 75% had insurance coverage when the crisis started, so the lack of insurance coverage can't be the problem there. We're fortunate enough to live in a country where we can file bankruptcy if we encounter some kind of catastrophic financial situation due to medical costs... in another country, you don't have to worry about filing bankruptcy because you're dead! You either didn't get treated because you didn't have money, or you were treated inadequately and lost your life in the process. Of the 1 in 4 people who didn't have adequate insurance, we have this thing we call MEDICAID available to virtually everyone who can't afford regular insurance.

But a few assholes are getting rich, and that's the important thing to your Young Republican Club, i'm sure.

And yet again, we see here where your problem really lies. You are jealous of people who earn high incomes. You've determined they are all "assholes" and you've developed an envious resentment toward them, and you don't even know a thing about them or what they do.

I have no idea why you keep calling me a "Young Republican" ...I don't belong to the Republican party, and if they can't get over their fixation with Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, I'm probably not going to vote Republican in 2016. While I don't think of myself as "old" at 54, I am certainly not "young." So why don't we drop the hyperbole, and grow the fuck up here?

Bravo!!!

Thank you for this post.

 

[mamooth]

Boss, Pete, get a room please. We don't want to see it in public.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

Conservatism- It's like religion. Fact-free and Faith-based.

Is that what you've brought to this thread, facts? Hmm, I must have missed those...?

Boss, you're wasting your time. Someone who gets fired from there job, and then blames the PRESIDENT, is obviously not playing with a full deck.

I'm washing my hands of this moron, and I suggest you do the same. Joe is obviously suffering from an acute form of BDS, and until he realizes that he isn't worth engaging. As proven repeatedly on this thread, you can lead an idiot to facts, but you can't make him think.

 

[Dirk the Daring]

Boss, Pete, get a room please. We don't want to see it in public.

Ha ha ha, awkward...

By the way, it's commonly understood that those constantly making gay jokes are probably closeted themselves. Why don't you just come out? There's no need to be ashamed of the way you feel.

 

[Ernie S.]

Okay, I realize this runs the risk of being bumped over to the Flame Zone board, but I am genuinely not intending to flame here. I think this is a legitimate topic of discussion amongst the non-crazy people in society. Every day, I am confronted with yet another liberal who seems to have completely lost their mind. At first, I thought it was just a simple difference in ideology, which is normally a good thing in political discourse, you need another side to certain arguments, it is a healthy thing for society to have contrasting viewpoints.

I started noticing during the Bush years, the rhetoric from the left became more shrill and harsh, the resentfulness and hostility was thick, and I chalked it all up to Bush just not being their cup of tea. Many on the left were still angry over what happened to Clinton, so I figured okay, turn about is fair play, Bush is going to be the scapegoat for all this angst. And of course, they railed on Bush and are still railing on Bush, but this goes even deeper.

It has now become outright ridiculous. Almost 6 years into the Obama presidency, and arguably the worst performance of a president in modern history with one failure on top of another as far as they eye can see. Scandals unfolding on a daily basis, and not just little meaningless ones, really big ones... impeachable ones, as a matter of fact. The economy is still in the crapper, jobs are still virtually non-existent, despite all the fluff and propaganda being fed to us daily. But still, I can rationalize that left-wing liberals are still standing by their guy because that's who brought them to the dance. Fair enough, Bush had avid supporters who loved everything he did and still do. This goes deeper.

We can go through a host of issues, it doesn't really matter what they are... Illegal immigration, voter IDs, gay marriage, global warming... whatever it is, the left has their talking points ready and are prepared to do battle. But it's not just these issues, it's the level at which they absolutely refuse to acknowledge any other viewpoint and just automatically reject anything the right has to say... on ANYTHING. Doesn't matter! If the political right came out tomorrow in favor of fuzzy puppies and fluffy kittens, the left would launch an anti-fuzzy puppy and fluffy kitten campaign, charging that the right were racist bigots who were out of touch with mainstream Americans.

I realized the level at which this has reached today, as I was discussing the Israeli mobilization on Gaza with a liberal friend. He says... "What right does Israel have to exist?" Now, this person has always been liberal, but I've always respected the arguments they made and felt like they articulated some valid points, even when I didn't agree with them. But this just blew me away. I couldn't believe he said that. Then I notice that he and several other liberals were posting all these videos put out by Al Jazeera, showing the civilian casualties and whatnot.

Then I come here and there is a debate about voter ID and some liberal is saying "you just don't want the poor to vote!" Like the poor are somehow suddenly unable to show identification to prove who they are, even though they must've shown ID to get food stamps, Medicaid, WIC, AFDC, EIC, and all other government subsidies. In another thread, some liberal is whining about the greedy corporations getting rich off the bailouts and stimulus that OBAMA DEMANDED!

All over my facebook, there are my liberal friends posting cartoons which depict the Mayflower arriving to the shores of America and the Native American's watching... the meme is about how they look like "illegal immigrants" to them! Each day, I see images of literally thousands of illegals climbing the fences into America and nothing being done to stop it... in fact, we're sending them aid! Hell, they're probably getting Obama phones and food stamps by now!

What in the hell is wrong with people, have they just lost their goddamn minds? Has one political faction in this country gone completely insane? Because that is how it seems to me, and I don't know why. It's not simply politics, it's mentally disturbing. It's as if the left is poised to take a counter position to rationality in any form. The more off-the-rails the better! And it's not just a handful of nutters, it's the whole entire left wing. It's not just a little bit of stupid, it's complete ignorance of anything approaching common sense reasoning. They don't even bother debating anymore, they just blurt out something sublimely ignorant and start hurling names at republicans and "teabaggers!"

Is this something in the water they're drinking? Hormones in the meat? Have radical Islamists contaminated our food supply? Are they under some kind of hypnotic spell? Minds being controlled by aliens? What in the hell is wrong with people???

-- posted from the bar using Drunkatalk

You could have simply said that you have nothing of substance to add.

 

[Ernie S.]

The main difference is what the goals are.

There is no difference in goals with respect to private or public sector employees. Individuals have a myriad of goals, aspirations, dreams, objectives, wants, needs and desires and they all differ from person to person. MOST people want to satisfy their bosses by proving their value as an employee. No one that I know of works because they don't care about money and just like to work... not to say there aren't a few, but I don't know of any and never have. I've never known of anyone to turn down a raise or offer to give back part of their salary because they didn't feel they deserved it.

and most people don't get the raises they deserve. WHatever...

Right... and daisies don't shoot out our ass when we fart! Life's not fair. We don't live in Utopia. There is never going to be a time when everyone gets everything they deserve and all our problems are resolved and everyone is happy and content. That existence is a fantasy. You live in a Narnia world.

In a free market capitalist society, like the one we live in, people are paid according to supply and demand for their services. If you don't make what you feel you deserve, you are free to seek out an employer who is willing to pay you what you deserve. If you can't find one, it's probably because someone else is willing to do the same work for less.




Well YOU may not see how, but YOU'RE not the one paying the money out. YOU are not privy to all the information and you're making a determination on sheer emotion. The CEO is most definitely paid on basis of merit with regard to performance. If any capitalist could hire a cheaper CEO to do the same job, they would do so, because a capitalist is in business to make the most profit possible. If you believe a company could make do with a cheaper CEO, you are free to go out there and start your own company and hire a cheap CEO and prove your point.

Guy, we highest infant mortality rate in the industrialized world. We have the lowest life expectancy. We have 62% of personal bankruptcies linked to medical crisis. (75% of those people had insurance when the crisis started.) We spend 17% of our GDP on health care while other countries spend 8-11%. One out of four Americans had no health coverage or inadequate health coverage before the ACA.

You are regurgitating statistics that have been cherry-picked and manipulated in order to sell nationalized health care. We've been listening to this shit for 8 years now. Nothing Obamacare did is going to decrease the cost of healthcare or make it more available or improve the quality of it. NOTHING!

Why do we have such a high infant morality rate? Because we are able to avoid stillborn babies by intervening the pregnancy in order to try and save them. This means more of them are born and counted as first day deaths where in another country they would never be counted because they would have been stillborn.

You're contradicting your own argument with the bankruptcy point, you said yourself that 75% had insurance coverage when the crisis started, so the lack of insurance coverage can't be the problem there. We're fortunate enough to live in a country where we can file bankruptcy if we encounter some kind of catastrophic financial situation due to medical costs... in another country, you don't have to worry about filing bankruptcy because you're dead! You either didn't get treated because you didn't have money, or you were treated inadequately and lost your life in the process. Of the 1 in 4 people who didn't have adequate insurance, we have this thing we call MEDICAID available to virtually everyone who can't afford regular insurance.

But a few assholes are getting rich, and that's the important thing to your Young Republican Club, i'm sure.

And yet again, we see here where your problem really lies. You are jealous of people who earn high incomes. You've determined they are all "assholes" and you've developed an envious resentment toward them, and you don't even know a thing about them or what they do.

I have no idea why you keep calling me a "Young Republican" ...I don't belong to the Republican party, and if they can't get over their fixation with Jeb Bush and Mitt Romney, I'm probably not going to vote Republican in 2016. While I don't think of myself as "old" at 54, I am certainly not "young." So why don't we drop the hyperbole, and grow the fuck up here?

You really shouldn't waste your time with Joe. He can't think beyond his daily talking points and long disproved "studies".

 

[JoeB131]

[

So now, these capitalists are hiring CEOs to basically raid the "cookie jar" and gobble up all their profits? Why don't the board of directors do something about that? Oh, that's right, the board of directors are who hires the CEO!

See, I just find this extremely hard to believe because it's in the board's best interest to not have a cookie-jar-pilfering CEO, I would think. But you claim it, so that must be the case, right? Apparently, once they hire these pilfering CEOs, they have no control over the salaries they make, the CEO just treats himself to whatever, huh? No contracts, no salary negotiations, he just helps himself to the cookie jar and the rest of the principals in the business are helpless to do anything about that.... Wow, I wouldn't hire a CEO then!

No, guy, the BOD are usually wolfing down their share of the cookies. The ones who aren't seeing any cookies are the folks on the assembly lines and in the cubicles. You know, the ones doing the actual work.

I mean, the litany of these places that failed, but the CEO's did very well- Enron, WorldCom, GM, Chrysler. A bunch of companies Mitt Romney was involved with that went belly up but the Weird Mormon Robot did very well.

Well the effect of Obamacare on the macro economy as well as the micro economy and just the general economy overall is that it really sucks. It has killed virtually all decent full time jobs, the premiums have skyrocketed upwards of 400% in some cases, and it doesn't address the ever-increasing number of health care professionals leaving the biz. The cost is going up because the demand will be greater and that's how things work outside of Narnia.

I still have a full time job. It doesn't suck any more than it did before ObamaCare. And if your "premium" went up, it was because the insurance you had was little more than wishful thinking.

It's not that they are meanyheads, it's that they don't know how to save premature babies. So they let them be stillborn and you can't count a stillborn baby as a part of the infant mortality rate because it wasn't born alive. Every woman in America has access to prenatal care, and it's totally free of charge through Medicaid if they have no income. Not a matter of 'believing' it's public record, you can go look it up.

Again, their infant mortality rates are lower than ours. and, yes, while the woman who has no income can get Medicaid, the woman who works at McDonald's can't.

No, that would be liberal socialist Utopia, I'm slapping you in your silly choppers with facts and you can't address them.

You mean like England, Germany, Canada, Japan, Italy, France?

[

You've never voted Republican, you're too much of a Commie. Stop spreading that lie. The problem the GOP has is it's NOT appealing to me right now. See, I'm a conservative and the GOP is trying to be 'liberal light' right now. Unless they get their shit together and nominate a conservative, I'll be voting for a third party candidate in 2016.

Nope. Voted Republican from 1980 to 2008. Then you guys got EVERYTHING you wanted.

You got tax cuts for the rich
You got free trade
You busted the unions
You got most of the industries deregulated
You turned OSHA and EEOC and EPA and the SEC into toothless tigers.

And the economy completely crashed and burned in a way we haven't seen since 1929.

But in the Dumb-Ass YOung Republican world of crazies like you, the real problem is they "weren't conservative enough". THere was a little bit of the middle class they weren't allowed to completely destroy.

 

[zeke]

[

So now, these capitalists are hiring CEOs to basically raid the "cookie jar" and gobble up all their profits? Why don't the board of directors do something about that? Oh, that's right, the board of directors are who hires the CEO!

See, I just find this extremely hard to believe because it's in the board's best interest to not have a cookie-jar-pilfering CEO, I would think. But you claim it, so that must be the case, right? Apparently, once they hire these pilfering CEOs, they have no control over the salaries they make, the CEO just treats himself to whatever, huh? No contracts, no salary negotiations, he just helps himself to the cookie jar and the rest of the principals in the business are helpless to do anything about that.... Wow, I wouldn't hire a CEO then!

No, guy, the BOD are usually wolfing down their share of the cookies. The ones who aren't seeing any cookies are the folks on the assembly lines and in the cubicles. You know, the ones doing the actual work.

I mean, the litany of these places that failed, but the CEO's did very well- Enron, WorldCom, GM, Chrysler. A bunch of companies Mitt Romney was involved with that went belly up but the Weird Mormon Robot did very well.

Well the effect of Obamacare on the macro economy as well as the micro economy and just the general economy overall is that it really sucks. It has killed virtually all decent full time jobs, the premiums have skyrocketed upwards of 400% in some cases, and it doesn't address the ever-increasing number of health care professionals leaving the biz. The cost is going up because the demand will be greater and that's how things work outside of Narnia.

I still have a full time job. It doesn't suck any more than it did before ObamaCare. And if your "premium" went up, it was because the insurance you had was little more than wishful thinking.




Again, their infant mortality rates are lower than ours. and, yes, while the woman who has no income can get Medicaid, the woman who works at McDonald's can't.

No, that would be liberal socialist Utopia, I'm slapping you in your silly choppers with facts and you can't address them.

You mean like England, Germany, Canada, Japan, Italy, France?

[

You've never voted Republican, you're too much of a Commie. Stop spreading that lie. The problem the GOP has is it's NOT appealing to me right now. See, I'm a conservative and the GOP is trying to be 'liberal light' right now. Unless they get their shit together and nominate a conservative, I'll be voting for a third party candidate in 2016.

Nope. Voted Republican from 1980 to 2008. Then you guys got EVERYTHING you wanted.

You got tax cuts for the rich
You got free trade
You busted the unions
You got most of the industries deregulated
You turned OSHA and EEOC and EPA and the SEC into toothless tigers.

And the economy completely crashed and burned in a way we haven't seen since 1929.

But in the Dumb-Ass YOung Republican world of crazies like you, the real problem is they "weren't conservative enough". THere was a little bit of the middle class they weren't allowed to completely destroy.

It is amazing isn't it? They got EVERYTHING they wanted and have absolutely nothing positive to show for it. No roaring economy. No great increase in employment. No large increase in working peoples wages. Unless they (Repubs) consider the ultra wealthy controlling more and more of the nations wealth a "positive".

Which according to the idiots I read on here, they do consider that a positive.

And the Repubs really do seem so cornfused that Americans don't trust what they say and sure as hell don't want to repeat the Republican mistakes of the past.

 

[JoeB131]

[

Nope. Voted Republican from 1980 to 2008. Then you guys got EVERYTHING you wanted.

You got tax cuts for the rich
You got free trade
You busted the unions
You got most of the industries deregulated
You turned OSHA and EEOC and EPA and the SEC into toothless tigers.

And the economy completely crashed and burned in a way we haven't seen since 1929.

But in the Dumb-Ass YOung Republican world of crazies like you, the real problem is they "weren't conservative enough". THere was a little bit of the middle class they weren't allowed to completely destroy.

It is amazing isn't it? They got EVERYTHING they wanted and have absolutely nothing positive to show for it. No roaring economy. No great increase in employment. No large increase in working peoples wages. Unless they (Repubs) consider the ultra wealthy controlling more and more of the nations wealth a "positive".

Which according to the idiots I read on here, they do consider that a positive.

And the Repubs really do seem so cornfused that Americans don't trust what they say and sure as hell don't want to repeat the Republican mistakes of the past.

The idea of the economy working for everyone as opposed to just the rich absolutely horrifies them.

Probably because they really think they are better, somehow.

ANd shit, I used to think like that. Then I got screwed over by people with less decency and more money than I had, and know I know better.

 

[Boss]

[

So now, these capitalists are hiring CEOs to basically raid the "cookie jar" and gobble up all their profits? Why don't the board of directors do something about that? Oh, that's right, the board of directors are who hires the CEO!

See, I just find this extremely hard to believe because it's in the board's best interest to not have a cookie-jar-pilfering CEO, I would think. But you claim it, so that must be the case, right? Apparently, once they hire these pilfering CEOs, they have no control over the salaries they make, the CEO just treats himself to whatever, huh? No contracts, no salary negotiations, he just helps himself to the cookie jar and the rest of the principals in the business are helpless to do anything about that.... Wow, I wouldn't hire a CEO then!

No, guy, the BOD are usually wolfing down their share of the cookies. The ones who aren't seeing any cookies are the folks on the assembly lines and in the cubicles. You know, the ones doing the actual work.

I mean, the litany of these places that failed, but the CEO's did very well- Enron, WorldCom, GM, Chrysler. A bunch of companies Mitt Romney was involved with that went belly up but the Weird Mormon Robot did very well.





I still have a full time job. It doesn't suck any more than it did before ObamaCare. And if your "premium" went up, it was because the insurance you had was little more than wishful thinking.




Again, their infant mortality rates are lower than ours. and, yes, while the woman who has no income can get Medicaid, the woman who works at McDonald's can't.



You mean like England, Germany, Canada, Japan, Italy, France?

[

You've never voted Republican, you're too much of a Commie. Stop spreading that lie. The problem the GOP has is it's NOT appealing to me right now. See, I'm a conservative and the GOP is trying to be 'liberal light' right now. Unless they get their shit together and nominate a conservative, I'll be voting for a third party candidate in 2016.

Nope. Voted Republican from 1980 to 2008. Then you guys got EVERYTHING you wanted.

You got tax cuts for the rich
You got free trade
You busted the unions
You got most of the industries deregulated
You turned OSHA and EEOC and EPA and the SEC into toothless tigers.

And the economy completely crashed and burned in a way we haven't seen since 1929.

But in the Dumb-Ass YOung Republican world of crazies like you, the real problem is they "weren't conservative enough". THere was a little bit of the middle class they weren't allowed to completely destroy.

It is amazing isn't it? They got EVERYTHING they wanted and have absolutely nothing positive to show for it. No roaring economy. No great increase in employment. No large increase in working peoples wages. Unless they (Repubs) consider the ultra wealthy controlling more and more of the nations wealth a "positive".

Which according to the idiots I read on here, they do consider that a positive.

And the Repubs really do seem so cornfused that Americans don't trust what they say and sure as hell don't want to repeat the Republican mistakes of the past.

The EPA and IRS is literally acting like the Gestapo.
The ATF is like the Storm Troopers.
The NSA has perverted the Patriot Act into a libertarian's worst nightmare.
FOIA has been neutered with missing hard drives and emails.
Obamacare, the only accomplishment Democrats managed with 2 years of full control in Congress AND the White House, is a hot mess... minus the hot, heavy on the mess.
$3 trillion in stimulus, new handouts, bailouts and EOs, and the economy is still in the shitter.
Record unemployment among minorities. Near-record for everyone else.
Middle East is on fire.
Radical Islam is taking over.
Our border looks like Wal-mart on Black Friday.
You've increased taxes on the wealthy.
You've increased corporate taxes.
You're writing an average of 1,700 new regulations per month.
You've gotten GOP leadership so whipped their base is abandoning them.
...And all we hear about is how everything is Bush's fault.

No, conservatives have NOT gotten what they want. Since Ronald Reagan, the conservatives have gotten NOTHING they wanted. They didn't even get everything they wanted under Reagan.

 

[JoeB131]

[

The EPA and IRS is literally acting like the Gestapo.
The ATF is like the Storm Troopers.
The NSA has perverted the Patriot Act into a libertarian's worst nightmare.
FOIA has been neutered with missing hard drives and emails.
Obamacare, the only accomplishment Democrats managed with 2 years of full control in Congress AND the White House, is a hot mess... minus the hot, heavy on the mess.
$3 trillion in stimulus, new handouts, bailouts and EOs, and the economy is still in the shitter.
Record unemployment among minorities. Near-record for everyone else.
Middle East is on fire.
Radical Islam is taking over.
Our border looks like Wal-mart on Black Friday.
You've increased taxes on the wealthy.
You've increased corporate taxes.
You're writing an average of 1,700 new regulations per month.
You've gotten GOP leadership so whipped their base is abandoning them.
...And all we hear about is how everything is Bush's fault.

No, conservatives have NOT gotten what they want. Since Ronald Reagan, the conservatives have gotten NOTHING they wanted. They didn't even get everything they wanted under Reagan.

Yup, Bush fucked up everything so bad that people like me are totally good with bigger government now.

i wasn't ten years ago. Now I'm totally good with that.

 

[JoeB131]

The EPA and IRS is literally acting like the Gestapo.

Sigh. Someone else who doesn't understand what "literally" means.

 

[zeke]

The EPA and IRS is literally acting like the Gestapo.

Sigh. Someone else who doesn't understand what "literally" means.

Fuck, this idiot doesn't even understand what the Gestapo is. Hell with literally.

 

[zeke]

I really liked the "middle east is on fire" part.

And why would that be? Could it be the invasion of Iraq that unleashed a torrent of terrorists and hatred on the world. Provided terrorists a training ground. And weapons. And money.

No I would say the Republicans may not have got what they wanted. But they did get what was expected by many who are not Rethugs.

Chaos in the middle east from destroying Iraq.

Way to go Rethugs.

 

[zeke]

Then the stupid shit doesn't understand that the Repubs got what they wanted during the administration of a Republican President.

This dude acts like they didn't get what they wanted under a Democrat and they are upset about it.

Well no shit sherlock.

 

[Nova78]

This is how mental the liberals have become.

Colorado Peak Politics - CRASS: Dem Rep. Crisanta Duran Caught Chanting ?Death to CO GOP?

First, Howard Dean wanted to ship all Republicans to the Ukraine or Russia. Now, unions and at least one elected official are calling for the GOP’s death. As The Colorado Statesman reports, state Rep. Crisanta Duran marched with a Latino group and the Service Employees International Union as they chanted “Death to the Colorado GOP.”

"That be so funny if we killed all Republicans, guys! JK, JK, JK. OMG, guys, you know I’m not serious, because then I’d be, like, psycho."

 

[JoeB131]

I really liked the "middle east is on fire" part.

And why would that be? Could it be the invasion of Iraq that unleashed a torrent of terrorists and hatred on the world. Provided terrorists a training ground. And weapons. And money.

No I would say the Republicans may not have got what they wanted. But they did get what was expected by many who are not Rethugs.

Chaos in the middle east from destroying Iraq.

Way to go Rethugs.

But Saddam was a bad man.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Nope. Voted Republican from 1980 to 2008. Then you guys got EVERYTHING you wanted.

You got tax cuts for the rich
You got free trade
You busted the unions
You got most of the industries deregulated
You turned OSHA and EEOC and EPA and the SEC into toothless tigers.

And the economy completely crashed and burned in a way we haven't seen since 1929.

But in the Dumb-Ass YOung Republican world of crazies like you, the real problem is they "weren't conservative enough". THere was a little bit of the middle class they weren't allowed to completely destroy.

Yeah, MFN for China and NAFTA were signed by that great "conservative" Bill Clinton!

Dude, you are as full of shit as a porta-potty in the tailgating lot after a playoff game!

 

[JoeB131]

Nope. Voted Republican from 1980 to 2008. Then you guys got EVERYTHING you wanted.

You got tax cuts for the rich
You got free trade
You busted the unions
You got most of the industries deregulated
You turned OSHA and EEOC and EPA and the SEC into toothless tigers.

And the economy completely crashed and burned in a way we haven't seen since 1929.

But in the Dumb-Ass YOung Republican world of crazies like you, the real problem is they "weren't conservative enough". THere was a little bit of the middle class they weren't allowed to completely destroy.

Yeah, MFN for China and NAFTA were signed by that great "conservative" Bill Clinton!

Dude, you are as full of shit as a porta-potty in the tailgating lot after a playoff game!

Clinton continued the treaties Bush-41 negotiated?

Um, yeah.
And Bush-43 continued them after it was pretty clear they were bad ideas.

 

[Boss]

I really liked the "middle east is on fire" part.

And why would that be? Could it be the invasion of Iraq that unleashed a torrent of terrorists and hatred on the world. Provided terrorists a training ground. And weapons. And money.

No I would say the Republicans may not have got what they wanted. But they did get what was expected by many who are not Rethugs.

Chaos in the middle east from destroying Iraq.

Way to go Rethugs.

Now see, this is the biggest problem with idiot liberals. You totally fuck everything up, then you point the finger of blame at the right and demand we allow you to "fix" it... then you fuck it up some more and point the finger of blame at the right, demanding we let you "fix" it again! It never ends!

Your policies under Jimmy Carter are largely responsible for the modern radical Islamic movement. At a time when the US should have put it's foot down and nipped this shit in the bud, no questions asked, we had the feckless leadership of Carter at the helm, allowing the overthrow of the Shah of Iran, ushering in the age of radical Islamic fundamentalism. All through the Clinton years the problem with radical terrorism was ignored, they bombed our embassies and ships with impunity and nothing was ever done about it, no action was taken.

Congress, under Clinton, passed the 1998 Iraqi Liberation Act. This called for the overthrow of Saddam and replacement with democracy. This became the US foreign policy under Clinton two years before Bush became president. So, after 9/11, Bush jumps on the terrorists with both feet, ready to take this threat out completely, and at first he had all the support in the world from the Democrats. But quickly they saw a political opportunity and turned Iraq into the new Vietnam. And to this day, you idiots are still blaming Bush!

The same can be said for the economy. It was a Democratic initiative to provide low income families with low-interest government backed loans in the early 00s, which ultimately led to a collapse of the housing and financial markets. That is clearly what began the snowball of the recession. It had nothing to do with tax cuts or Republican policies. Since then, we've elected YOUR guy twice with the promise he was going to "fix" the problems, but they've continued to persist. What do you do? Blame Bush, of course!