Zone1 what if we added sturdy toilets, waterdispensaries, and computers with games and internet to police cells and psychiatric isolation cells?

[peacefan]

agreed, some people are (temporarily) too dangerous to themselves or others to be left out in the open, or even on an closed ward setting in which they encounter their peers too soon.

but does it have to mean we (per current cel design) trigger claustrofobia in patients?

with a global (new) industry to create sturdy computer encasings, it can be done.
that's all i'm saying on this topic (today).

 

[JoeB131]

agreed, some people are (temporarily) too dangerous to themselves or others to be left out in the open, or even on an closed ward setting in which they encounter their peers too soon.

but does it have to mean we (per current cel design) trigger claustrofobia in patients?

with a global (new) industry to create sturdy computer encasings, it can be done.
that's all i'm saying on this topic (today).

Prison isn't supposed to be pleasant.

 

[Woodznutz]

I agree. Better treatment and housing, but longer sentences (for crimes or treatment). A big key to reducing crime is the "three strikes" rule. Three felonies and it's LWOP or parole only after age 65.

 

[peacefan]

Prison isn't supposed to be pleasant.

i was incarcerated (midly, by my country's "options") myself a few times.
i was innocent of all charges in such cases, but cops took hours to confirm it.
and it caused me full-on PTSD, suicidal thoughts included, feeling my natural claustrofobia skyrocket by the minute in even the most basic cells fielded today.

 

[Woodznutz]

Prison isn't supposed to be pleasant.

It's also not supposed to be "college for criminals" either. Incarceration is meant to protect society from miscreants, not to be a torture chamber that dehumanizes everyone connected with it. Part of rehabilitation has to be humane living conditions and treatment. However, it must also be recognized that there are those who cannot be rehabilitated. They must be separated from those who can be.

 

[Woodznutz]

i was incarcerated (midly, by my country's "options") myself a few times.
i was innocent of all charges in such cases, but cops took hours to confirm it.
and it caused me full-on PTSD, suicidal thoughts included, feeling my natural claustrofobia skyrocket by the minute in even the most basic cells fielded today.

I spent a weekend in jail for something I didn't do as well. Didn't bother me much as I had the support of family, friends, and my employer as well. It was learning experience, to wit: Don't ever trust law enforcement and avoid them like the plague.

 

[JoeB131]

i was incarcerated (midly, by my country's "options") myself a few times.
i was innocent of all charges in such cases, but cops took hours to confirm it.
and it caused me full-on PTSD, suicidal thoughts included, feeling my natural claustrofobia skyrocket by the minute in even the most basic cells fielded today.

Funny, I've managed to go through 63 years of life without being stopped by police for anything more serious than a moving violation.

 

[JoeB131]

It's also not supposed to be "college for criminals" either. Incarceration is meant to protect society from miscreants, not to be a torture chamber that dehumanizes everyone connected with it. Part of rehabilitation has to be humane living conditions and treatment. However, it must also be recognized that there are those who cannot be rehabilitated. They must be separated from those who can be.

I agree we need prison and criminal justice reform.

But as Richard Pyror once said, "I've been to the prisons, I've met the brothers. I'm GLAD we have prisons."

 

[Zincwarrior]

agreed, some people are (temporarily) too dangerous to themselves or others to be left out in the open, or even on an closed ward setting in which they encounter their peers too soon.

but does it have to mean we (per current cel design) trigger claustrofobia in patients?

with a global (new) industry to create sturdy computer encasings, it can be done.
that's all i'm saying on this topic (today).

How would this be different then now? Many facilities include IPad style pads now.
This is not a criticism, but a question.

 

[ZestolPastilevsky]

Well...I dunno. It sounds like it would cost a lot. The US is basically bankrupt as is. And I'm not sure the case FOR is sufficiently compelling to take the leap and fund this.

 

[Dekster]

My guy reaction is that if you put video games in there, inmates are going to act out so they can get tossed in there to play video games all day.

 

[peacefan]

How would this be different then now? Many facilities include IPad style pads now.
This is not a criticism, but a question.

not in my country, not yet at least.

 

[Zincwarrior]

not in my country, not yet at least.

Your country?

 

[peacefan]

My guy reaction is that if you put video games in there, inmates are going to act out so they can get tossed in there to play video games all day.

ok, so maybe not video games.

 

[peacefan]

Your country?

Netherlands.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Netherlands.

Cool.. In the US, many county jails have these already. State jails and Fed, I don't know.

 

[Woodznutz]

Funny, I've managed to go through 63 years of life without being stopped by police for anything more serious than a moving violation.

Me too. Only a couple of traffic tickets the past 65 years.

 

[peacefan]

Prison isn't supposed to be pleasant.

that's just your STUPID DESIRES FOR REVENGE talking bro.

 

[JoeB131]

that's just your STUPID DESIRES FOR REVENGE talking bro.

No, it's common sense. You want to make prison a bad place to be so that the idiots who commit crimes don't ever want to go back there.

 

[peacefan]

No, it's common sense. You want to make prison a bad place to be so that the idiots who commit crimes don't ever want to go back there.

generally speaking, i would agree with that statement.

but it's different when we're talking about police waitingrooms and psychiatric isolationcells.
those people are often innocent of having commited any crime at all, or at least until a judge has sentenced them to a prison that's appropriate for their actual crime.