What human cost is acceptable in controling illegal immigration?

[Flopper]

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I was discussing legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Apparently you think they are one and the same. Legal immigrants draw essentially the same pay as American workers. They are covered under the same wage and hour laws and minimum wage laws.

When you suggest denying college entrance to the top students in the world because they are foreigners, you would be killing the American technology sector because that is where we get our best technology talent. 25% of technology companies founded over the last 10 years were founded by an immigrant. 40% of all our computer engineers are foreign born and 25% of all science and technology workers are foreign born. When you look at new graduates, it’s even more depressing.

Cut off the access to foreign technology workers and America would lose it's top technology companies which would include Google, Microsoft and Apple.

 

[koshergrl]

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I was discussing legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Apparently you think they are one and the same. Legal immigrants draw essentially the same pay as American workers. They are covered under the same wage and hour laws and minimum wage laws.

When you suggest denying college entrance to the top students in the world because they are foreigners, you would be killing the American technology sector because that is where we get our best technology talent. 25% of technology companies founded over the last 10 years were founded by an immigrant. 40% of all our computer engineers are foreign born and 25% of all science and technology workers are foreign born. When you look at new graduates, it’s even more depressing.

That's because we need to shut down the dept. of education, and stop all federal funding to schools. When we do that, education will immediately and dramatically improve in this country.

 

[Flopper]

The Statue of Liberty is for everyone.

Nope. It belongs to the United States, not to "everyone".

And I am immensely tired of hearing endlessly about a poem as though it not only has the force of law, but actually overrules the REAL laws.

Who cares what you think? You aren't the last word on immigration, or what the statue means or what America stands for.

We know what it stands for--Independence. This is obvious by the tablet the statue is holding marking the day we adopted the Declaration of Independence. The poor the weary stuff was added later on, but that's not why it was built:

What is the quote on the statue of liberty?

There are several phrases associated with the Statue of Liberty, but the most recognizable is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus’ sonnet, New Colossus, which she wrote for a fundraiser auction to raise money for the pedestal upon which the Statue of Liberty now sits. The poem did not receive much recognition and was quite forgotten after the auction.

In the early 1900s and after Lazarus’ death, one of her friends began a campaign to memorialize Lazarus and her New Colossus sonnet. The effort was a success, and a plaque with the poem’s text was mounted inside the pedestal of the statute.

What is the quote on the statue of liberty? · How Tall is the Statue of Liberty?

And this apparently cannot be said enough:

It's just a poem. Has no force of law whatsoever.

Actually the point was the statue was not erected to welcome foreigners. It was put there so that when foreigners come, they are reminded of the value of liberty--not put there as a Welcome Mat.

The statue was a gift from France with the sole intention of celebrating freedom. The liberals like to use the poem to say that the statue was put here to welcome any and all foreigners into the country. It's just a wives tale is all it is.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

That sounds like a welcome mat to me.

 

[Flopper]

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I was discussing legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Apparently you think they are one and the same. Legal immigrants draw essentially the same pay as American workers. They are covered under the same wage and hour laws and minimum wage laws.

When you suggest denying college entrance to the top students in the world because they are foreigners, you would be killing the American technology sector because that is where we get our best technology talent. 25% of technology companies founded over the last 10 years were founded by an immigrant. 40% of all our computer engineers are foreign born and 25% of all science and technology workers are foreign born. When you look at new graduates, it’s even more depressing.

That's because we need to shut down the dept. of education, and stop all federal funding to schools. When we do that, education will immediately and dramatically improve in this country.

Without the Dept of Education,
We wouldn’t have a federal department to administer Pell Grants to college students which would mean millions of low income students would not be able to attend college.

There wouldn’t be any oversight over states when they break civil rights laws and the number of civil rights cases in the court would increase by 200%.

There wouldn’t be a department to disclose rampant inequality between low-income school districts and wealthy districts.

We would have inconsistent education data, as the quality of data would vary among the states.

There would be more gender discrimination within schools.

There would be no way to hold schools accountable for the funds they receive.

There would no agency to research new techniques in education.

And would that improve education in the classroom? It wouldn't because 99% of all curriculum and instruction decision are made locally or the state level, not in Washington.

 

[JoeB131]

I'm not fuming, just don't like that this innocent American died in vain. If anything, her story is what puts more people on our side; the very idea that some Americans would rather see a criminal let go than to serve rightful justice is what angers real Americans.

Rightful justice was done, buddy. We don't prosecute people on the basis of polls, we prosecute them on the basis of evidence presented in a court of law by both sides. Which is what was done here. And a jury of 12 citizens listened to the State's case and weren't' terribly impressed. Because when it got to the actual evidence, it wasn't what Hate Radio painted it as.

So who said we have to produce anything? That's just what your puppet masters at the DNC told you and you believe them. Nothing wrong with a country that has 280, 230 or even 175 million people.

It's not the actual number that's the problem, Fifty First Dates, it's the age demographics. You see, Between 2000 and 2010, the percentage of the populate older than age 65 jumped 15%. They now represent 9% of the population. Since 1970, the number of people collecting Social Security has jumped from 25 million to nearly 60 million, and that will keep going up as the Baby Boomers retire.

Without immigrants to fill some of those working positions, we aren't going to have enough workers to fill all the slots.

See, your party won't tell you what their real reason is, so they hoodwink their blind followers with all kinds of BS stories like we need more people in this country. There is no truth to it. The truth is they don't want any opposition in the future. They want a one-party country where they rule everything with no threats of ever losing power.

It seems to me that if the GOP can't win over the new generation of citizens, that's on them, isn't it?

Here's the reality--- if people voted their own economic interests, the GOP would never win another election, because only about 20% of the population really benefits from their policies.

Because trust me, if these CA and Mexicans were known to vote strongly Republican, that wall would have been up in the Carter years and our border patrol would be three times the size today.

Okay, let's look at that. You see, the thing is, George W. Bush actually made the effort to reach out to the Hispanic vote in 2004. He got 44% of the Hispanic vote, and was the only Republican to win the popular vote since his Dad in 1988.

So now you have your boy Trump throwing brown people in concentration camps... and he only got 28% of the Hispanic vote and he'll do a lot worse with it 2020.

 

[OODA_Loop]

Without immigrants to fill some of those working positions, we aren't going to have enough workers to fill all the slots.

You will if you cease entitlements for the able-bodied.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Rightful justice was done, buddy. We don't prosecute people on the basis of polls, we prosecute them on the basis of evidence presented in a court of law by both sides. Which is what was done here. And a jury of 12 citizens listened to the State's case and weren't' terribly impressed. Because when it got to the actual evidence, it wasn't what Hate Radio painted it as.

Yes, it's fair in Joe's mind because a minority killed a white girl, and as a self-hating white, you approve of it. But when a white police officer defends himself from a potential threat and kills a minority, it's the prosecutor didn't do his job, the officer was incompetent, they didn't present all the evidence and so on and so on.

Why don't you just face facts Joe, the Democrats are for criminals and against authority plain and simple. In nearly every instance, the Democrats stick up for evil and the Republicans stick up for the good.

It's not the actual number that's the problem, Fifty First Dates, it's the age demographics. You see, Between 2000 and 2010, the percentage of the populate older than age 65 jumped 15%. They now represent 9% of the population. Since 1970, the number of people collecting Social Security has jumped from 25 million to nearly 60 million, and that will keep going up as the Baby Boomers retire.

Without immigrants to fill some of those working positions, we aren't going to have enough workers to fill all the slots.

So we become a smaller country. WTF is wrong with that? Where is it written that a country has to keep increasing their population? For what reason? Do you realize that when you were born, we only had 180 million people in this country? We did just fine and in some cases, better than today. So what would happen if we decreased back to 180 million that's so bad? And before you answer, why wasn't it bad back in 1960?

It seems to me that if the GOP can't win over the new generation of citizens, that's on them, isn't it?

Here's the reality--- if people voted their own economic interests, the GOP would never win another election, because only about 20% of the population really benefits from their policies.

The reason we are 20 trillion in debt is because people kept voting for their own economic interest instead of the interest of the country. It all could have been avoided if we only listened to our founders who didn't want the federal government involved with over 90% of the things they are involved in today.

Okay, let's look at that. You see, the thing is, George W. Bush actually made the effort to reach out to the Hispanic vote in 2004. He got 44% of the Hispanic vote, and was the only Republican to win the popular vote since his Dad in 1988.

So now you have your boy Trump throwing brown people in concentration camps... and he only got 28% of the Hispanic vote and he'll do a lot worse with it 2020.

GW got more Hispanics because he has a Hispanic in his family--Jeb's wife. How did DumBama get such a large percentage of the Hispanic vote when he was throwing kids into concentration camps as you call them?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Nope. It belongs to the United States, not to "everyone".

And I am immensely tired of hearing endlessly about a poem as though it not only has the force of law, but actually overrules the REAL laws.

Who cares what you think? You aren't the last word on immigration, or what the statue means or what America stands for.

We know what it stands for--Independence. This is obvious by the tablet the statue is holding marking the day we adopted the Declaration of Independence. The poor the weary stuff was added later on, but that's not why it was built:

What is the quote on the statue of liberty?

There are several phrases associated with the Statue of Liberty, but the most recognizable is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus’ sonnet, New Colossus, which she wrote for a fundraiser auction to raise money for the pedestal upon which the Statue of Liberty now sits. The poem did not receive much recognition and was quite forgotten after the auction.

In the early 1900s and after Lazarus’ death, one of her friends began a campaign to memorialize Lazarus and her New Colossus sonnet. The effort was a success, and a plaque with the poem’s text was mounted inside the pedestal of the statute.

What is the quote on the statue of liberty? · How Tall is the Statue of Liberty?

And this apparently cannot be said enough:

It's just a poem. Has no force of law whatsoever.

Actually the point was the statue was not erected to welcome foreigners. It was put there so that when foreigners come, they are reminded of the value of liberty--not put there as a Welcome Mat.

The statue was a gift from France with the sole intention of celebrating freedom. The liberals like to use the poem to say that the statue was put here to welcome any and all foreigners into the country. It's just a wives tale is all it is.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

That sounds like a welcome mat to me.

Which again, was added after the statue was up for several years by somebody that had little to do with the statue other than create the pedestal. It was not the reason for the statue of liberty. The theme behind the statue was to celebrate Independence--not immigration. Immigration had nothing to do with it.

 

[JoeB131]

You will if you cease entitlements for the able-bodied.

Except that really isn't the case. Most of the people who are getting entitlements are white and not able bodied.

You could end all welfare, and it wouldn't put a dent into budget.

Yes, it's fair in Joe's mind because a minority killed a white girl, and as a self-hating white, you approve of it. But when a white police officer defends himself from a potential threat and kills a minority, it's the prosecutor didn't do his job, the officer was incompetent, they didn't present all the evidence and so on and so on.

A white police officer is supposed to be a trained professional who is issued a gun and knows how and when to use it. A guy who finds a gun some fool left lying on a bench isn't held to the same standard.

Clearly, if you shoot a 12 year old playing with a toy, you REALLY WERE FUCKING INCOMPETENT.

Why don't you just face facts Joe, the Democrats are for criminals and against authority plain and simple. In nearly every instance, the Democrats stick up for evil and the Republicans stick up for the good.

Racist cops aren't good.
Big corporations aren't good.

So we become a smaller country.

Are you FUCKING RETARDED? I just explained to you it's not the numbers, it's the percentages. If we become a smaller country with no one doing the work, we can sustain ourselves. The old can't work after a certain point. There aren't enough young people to support them unless we import more.

So what would happen if we decreased back to 180 million that's so bad? And before you answer, why wasn't it bad back in 1960?

It wasn't that bad in 1960 because only 5% of the population was over 65, and the average lifespan in 1960 was 69. Today it's 78.

In 1960, we were at the tail end of the "Baby Boom", where families were having more kids than they are now. Today, they aren't.

So we got more people living longer, with less new people to support them in their dotage.

The reason we are 20 trillion in debt is because people kept voting for their own economic interest instead of the interest of the country. It all could have been avoided if we only listened to our founders who didn't want the federal government involved with over 90% of the things they are involved in today.

Sorry, man, I like having roads and sanitation and other things that were unknown to the founding slave rapists, but you need a modern society to have.

We are 20 Trillion in debt because we kept giving tax cuts to the rich instead of redistributing the wealth.

From 1776 to 1980, we ran up less than a trillion in debt, mostly because- wait for it- the rich paid their fair share. We had world wars, space programs, superhighways... and we paid for all these things as we bought them.

GW got more Hispanics because he has a Hispanic in his family--Jeb's wife. How did DumBama get such a large percentage of the Hispanic vote when he was throwing kids into concentration camps as you call them?

Most Hispanics didn't know who Jeb's wife was and didn't care. They voted for Dubya because he actually proposed sensible plans and reached out to them.

And, no, Obama didn't throw kids into Concentration Camps... that's your boy Trump.

 

[koshergrl]

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I was discussing legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Apparently you think they are one and the same. Legal immigrants draw essentially the same pay as American workers. They are covered under the same wage and hour laws and minimum wage laws.

When you suggest denying college entrance to the top students in the world because they are foreigners, you would be killing the American technology sector because that is where we get our best technology talent. 25% of technology companies founded over the last 10 years were founded by an immigrant. 40% of all our computer engineers are foreign born and 25% of all science and technology workers are foreign born. When you look at new graduates, it’s even more depressing.

That's because we need to shut down the dept. of education, and stop all federal funding to schools. When we do that, education will immediately and dramatically improve in this country.

 

[koshergrl]

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I was discussing legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Apparently you think they are one and the same. Legal immigrants draw essentially the same pay as American workers. They are covered under the same wage and hour laws and minimum wage laws.

When you suggest denying college entrance to the top students in the world because they are foreigners, you would be killing the American technology sector because that is where we get our best technology talent. 25% of technology companies founded over the last 10 years were founded by an immigrant. 40% of all our computer engineers are foreign born and 25% of all science and technology workers are foreign born. When you look at new graduates, it’s even more depressing.

That's because we need to shut down the dept. of education, and stop all federal funding to schools. When we do that, education will immediately and dramatically improve in this country.

Without the Dept of Education,
We wouldn’t have a federal department to administer Pell Grants to college students which would mean millions of low income students would not be able to attend college.

There wouldn’t be any oversight over states when they break civil rights laws and the number of civil rights cases in the court would increase by 200%.

There wouldn’t be a department to disclose rampant inequality between low-income school districts and wealthy districts.

We would have inconsistent education data, as the quality of data would vary among the states.

There would be more gender discrimination within schools.

There would be no way to hold schools accountable for the funds they receive.

There would no agency to research new techniques in education.

And would that improve education in the classroom? It wouldn't because 99% of all curriculum and instruction decision are made locally or the state level, not in Washington.

What total statist drivel.

Eliminate the department of ed. The world will not collapse. Schools will immediately improve. And if you think I'll scream "omg protect the college funding!" you've confused me with someone else.

I think the schools should be shut down..including the colleges.

 

[koshergrl]

And btw, no, we do not need the dept. of ed to assure civil rights are protected, what nonsense. It didn't even come into being until 1978...which is, incidentally, almost the exact minute our education system started crapping out retards.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A white police officer is supposed to be a trained professional who is issued a gun and knows how and when to use it. A guy who finds a gun some fool left lying on a bench isn't held to the same standard.

Clearly, if you shoot a 12 year old playing with a toy, you REALLY WERE FUCKING INCOMPETENT.

Yes, because I can't remember what I did with the last few guns I found laying around on a bench, can you?

You people are such saps and that's why the liberals know they can get away telling you anything they want. Like some other guy busted out a car window, stole the gun because it's a hot commodity---especially in CA, and just decided he was bored with it. So instead of selling it on the streets for a quick few hundred bucks, he decided to leave it on some park bench loaded and ready to go. And you actually believe that.

Yes, police are trained. They are trained that if somebody is pulling a gun out, you get them before they get you.

Racist cops aren't good.
Big corporations aren't good.

Well there you go: people that protect the public and provide us with jobs are not good. Illegals who come here, break our laws, commit crime are the good people to a liberal. If you kill an innocent American, you get liberal bonus points.

Are you FUCKING RETARDED? I just explained to you it's not the numbers, it's the percentages. If we become a smaller country with no one doing the work, we can sustain ourselves. The old can't work after a certain point. There aren't enough young people to support them unless we import more.

I see. So what you are admitting is that socialism and liberalism are failures. Good admission on your part.

So what happens when these people supporting baby boomers now get old? Their lifespan will probably be in the mid 80's by then. Do we bring in more third-worlders to support them? And then who will support those additional third worlders when they get older?

So we have 320 million people now, and left up to Democrats, we will have 400 million by 2025, then 600 million by 2040. Just how many people do you want to see in this country Joe? And when that limit (whatever you may believe it is) is met, how will we support our senior citizens then?

It wasn't that bad in 1960 because only 5% of the population was over 65, and the average lifespan in 1960 was 69. Today it's 78.

In 1960, we were at the tail end of the "Baby Boom", where families were having more kids than they are now. Today, they aren't.

So we got more people living longer, with less new people to support them in their dotage.

It wasn't supposed to work like that, remember?

Government was to take a large portion of our paychecks, put it in a piggy bank, and able to support us on the money we gave them. What went wrong?

Sorry, man, I like having roads and sanitation and other things that were unknown to the founding slave rapists, but you need a modern society to have.

We are 20 Trillion in debt because we kept giving tax cuts to the rich instead of redistributing the wealth.

From 1776 to 1980, we ran up less than a trillion in debt, mostly because- wait for it- the rich paid their fair share. We had world wars, space programs, superhighways... and we paid for all these things as we bought them.

And you thought that would continue forever, didn't you?

"Socialism is a great form of government until you run out of other people's money to spend."
Margret Thatcher

Well here's the truth Joe, and I won't even provide a site (since you'll refuse to learn anything anyway) so you can look it up yourself:

If we took every dime from people that have a million dollars or more today, we couldn't run this country for one single year. So this idiocy that we incurred 20 trillion in debt because we didn't steal enough money from people is pure economic ignorance. The top 20% of our country pays nearly all the taxes that run it.

Most Hispanics didn't know who Jeb's wife was and didn't care. They voted for Dubya because he actually proposed sensible plans and reached out to them.

And, no, Obama didn't throw kids into Concentration Camps... that's your boy Trump.

Sure he didn't, that's why the MSM dug up pictures of kids in cages and tried to make it out as if those pictures were taken during the Trump administration.

Bush has been kissing ass to Hispanics since he was Governor, and yes, everybody knew about his sister-n-law. It's not like the Bush family was a deep dark secret until George decided to run for the presidency.

 

[Cecilie1200]

The Statue of Liberty is for everyone.

Nope. It belongs to the United States, not to "everyone".

And I am immensely tired of hearing endlessly about a poem as though it not only has the force of law, but actually overrules the REAL laws.

Who cares what you think? You aren't the last word on immigration, or what the statue means or what America stands for.

We know what it stands for--Independence. This is obvious by the tablet the statue is holding marking the day we adopted the Declaration of Independence. The poor the weary stuff was added later on, but that's not why it was built:

What is the quote on the statue of liberty?

There are several phrases associated with the Statue of Liberty, but the most recognizable is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus’ sonnet, New Colossus, which she wrote for a fundraiser auction to raise money for the pedestal upon which the Statue of Liberty now sits. The poem did not receive much recognition and was quite forgotten after the auction.

In the early 1900s and after Lazarus’ death, one of her friends began a campaign to memorialize Lazarus and her New Colossus sonnet. The effort was a success, and a plaque with the poem’s text was mounted inside the pedestal of the statute.

What is the quote on the statue of liberty? · How Tall is the Statue of Liberty?

And this apparently cannot be said enough:

It's just a poem. Has no force of law whatsoever.

True, no force of law at all. Yet those words have had tremendous influence on Americans and people around the world. Every time I heard people say don't pay any attention to what he says, his words mean nothing, I think of these words.

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
“Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!” cries she
With silent lips. “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

I just heard, "Only the feeelz matter!"

 

[danielpalos]

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I think the xenophobia and racism is responsible for the stereotypes that you keep falling back on. Legal immigrants in the US are less likely to be arrested for drugs or alcohol, and less likely to be arrested for most criminal acts than native born Americans.

Illegal Immigrants Accounted for Nearly 37 Percent of Federal Sentences in FY 2014 | Breitbart
and in case you don't like the source:

Illegal immigrants responsible for almost three-fourths of federal drug possession sentences in 2014

Report: Illegals Committed 600,000 Crimes in Texas in 6 Yrs

Our crime rate with illegals should be 0%. That's the problem. I don't care how many less crimes they commit than Americans because THIS IS OUR COUNTRY, and we deal with our own. But because we have murders, rapes, fraud, theft doesn't mean we should invite more of it to our country.

If legal immigrants are taking jobs away from Americans, it means employers are getting better employees. If not, they wouldn't be hiring them. This is exactly what we want and need, people that will make the nation more productive.

No, they hire them because they can pay them crap, that's why they are hired. Businesses who don't want to pay American wages get away with dragging people into this country to work for pennies on the dollar. Yes, that lowers wages for native born Americans.

For too long, we have been attracting the greatest young minds in the world to our universities then sending them back home in 60 days rather than joining American companies and kicking the shit out of foreign competition.

Then the solution is to let them go to school somewhere else.

A kid from Indian rented a unit in our condo last month. He just graduated from Caltech with a masters in computer science. He got his BS from Stanford in Math and graduated in the top 10% of his Class. Microsoft wanted to hire him but because H2b Visas are limited, the company can't get his visa before his 60 days runs out which means he would have to stay in the country illegally to wait for the Visa. So he and his wife will go back to Indian and accept an offer from a major tech firm that competes with Microsoft, a victory for the alt right, and a loss for America.

We allow over a million foreigners into this country a year. Let's create standards in which one can apply for citizenship in this country. We'll start with how valuable you are for us, and that doesn't include lettuce pickers.

I was discussing legal immigration, not illegal immigration. Apparently you think they are one and the same. Legal immigrants draw essentially the same pay as American workers. They are covered under the same wage and hour laws and minimum wage laws.

When you suggest denying college entrance to the top students in the world because they are foreigners, you would be killing the American technology sector because that is where we get our best technology talent. 25% of technology companies founded over the last 10 years were founded by an immigrant. 40% of all our computer engineers are foreign born and 25% of all science and technology workers are foreign born. When you look at new graduates, it’s even more depressing.

That's because we need to shut down the dept. of education, and stop all federal funding to schools. When we do that, education will immediately and dramatically improve in this country.

in right wing fantasy?

 

[Redfish]

Nope. It belongs to the United States, not to "everyone".

And I am immensely tired of hearing endlessly about a poem as though it not only has the force of law, but actually overrules the REAL laws.

Who cares what you think? You aren't the last word on immigration, or what the statue means or what America stands for.

We know what it stands for--Independence. This is obvious by the tablet the statue is holding marking the day we adopted the Declaration of Independence. The poor the weary stuff was added later on, but that's not why it was built:

What is the quote on the statue of liberty?

There are several phrases associated with the Statue of Liberty, but the most recognizable is “Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free.” This quote comes from Emma Lazarus’ sonnet, New Colossus, which she wrote for a fundraiser auction to raise money for the pedestal upon which the Statue of Liberty now sits. The poem did not receive much recognition and was quite forgotten after the auction.

In the early 1900s and after Lazarus’ death, one of her friends began a campaign to memorialize Lazarus and her New Colossus sonnet. The effort was a success, and a plaque with the poem’s text was mounted inside the pedestal of the statute.

What is the quote on the statue of liberty? · How Tall is the Statue of Liberty?

And this apparently cannot be said enough:

It's just a poem. Has no force of law whatsoever.

Actually the point was the statue was not erected to welcome foreigners. It was put there so that when foreigners come, they are reminded of the value of liberty--not put there as a Welcome Mat.

The statue was a gift from France with the sole intention of celebrating freedom. The liberals like to use the poem to say that the statue was put here to welcome any and all foreigners into the country. It's just a wives tale is all it is.

“Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

That sounds like a welcome mat to me.

come in legally and you are welcome, sneak in illegally and you are a criminal, simple as that.

 

[Contumacious]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO INTERDICT DETAIN AND DEPORT BECAUSE THE STATES RETAINED THE AUTHORITY TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION.

IN 1889 A RACIST SCOTUS (9 WHITE GUYS) USURPED THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY CONCLUDED THAT THE CHINESE HAD CREATED AN "EMERGENCY" BY INSISTING TO WORK IN CALIFORNIA'S GOLD MINES.

.

 

[Redfish]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO INTERDICT DETAIN AND DEPORT BECAUSE THE STATES RETAINED THE AUTHORITY TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION.

IN 1889 A RACIST SCOTUS (9 WHITE GUYS) USURPED THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY CONCLUDED THAT THE CHINESE HAD CREATED AN "EMERGENCY" BY INSISTING TO WORK IN CALIFORNIA'S GOLD MINES.

.

wrong, immigration is federal law, not state

 

[Contumacious]

Jeff Sessions and Donald Trump:

"If you are smuggling a child then we will prosecute you, and that child will be separated from you as required by law," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Monday at a law enforcement conference in Scottsdale, Arizona. "If you don't like that, then don't smuggle children over our border."

Administration officials explained that the goal of the program is 100 percent prosecution of all who enter the U.S. illegally. When adults are prosecuted and jailed, their children will be separated from them, just as would happen for a U.S. citizen convicted and jailed.​

Anguish at Southwest border as more immigrant children are separated from parents

The Trump administration's willingness to take children from their parents has raised concerns about how far authorities should go to stem unauthorized border crossings and what human cost is acceptable in the name of border security and immigration control.

"There is something terrible happening here that Americans would not support if they understood it," said F. Scott McCown, director of the Children’s Rights Clinic at the University of Texas at Austin School of Law.​

I don't care how much you hate illegal immigrants this is EVIL. You are punishing the children. It's abhorrant and wrong and inexcusable. I hope they rot in hell for this. 700 children so far have been seperated from the only family they know and lost to our often incompetent and mismanaged child care system. I fail to see how any parent could support actions like these.

When parents are held for prosecution, their children are turned over to the Office of Refugee Resettlement, part of the Department of Health and Human Services. The children are then designated as "unaccompanied minors," and the government tries to connect them to family members who are already in the U.S. Until then, children wait in shelters or are sent to federally contracted foster homes, often without parents being told exactly where they are, immigration advocates said.

It may soon become even more difficult to place children with relatives. The Department of Homeland Security is proposing immigration checks be done on all people in a household who may take in these "unaccompanied" children, which means relatives who are undocumented may be less likely to come forward.

In the meantime, space in shelters and foster homes is limited; The Washington Post reported the administration plans to open facilities at military bases to house some of the separated children.​

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO AUTHORITY TO INTERDICT DETAIN AND DEPORT BECAUSE THE STATES RETAINED THE AUTHORITY TO CONTROL IMMIGRATION.

IN 1889 A RACIST SCOTUS (9 WHITE GUYS) USURPED THE AUTHORITY BECAUSE THEY CONCLUDED THAT THE CHINESE HAD CREATED AN "EMERGENCY" BY INSISTING TO WORK IN CALIFORNIA'S GOLD MINES.

.

wrong, immigration is federal law, not state

4. _Resolved_, That alien friends are under the jurisdiction and protection of the laws of the State wherein they are: that no power over them has been delegated to the United States, nor prohibited to the individual States, distinct from their power over citizens. And it being true as a general principle, and one of the amendments to the Constitution having also declared, that "the powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people," the act of the Congress of the United States, passed on the -- day of July, 1798, intituled "An Act concerning aliens," which assumes powers over alien friends, not delegated by the Constitution, is not law, but is altogether void, and of no force.

Thomas Jefferson


Identify the federal Law in effect from 1800 until 1889


.

 

[danielpalos]

Just more right wing fake news a fake Causes. Immigration cannot be a problem if we have alleged and Right Wing wars on crime, drugs, and terror; 10USC246 must apply, first.