CDZ What Good Have Whites Done for the World?

[TNHarley]

Oh wow LMAO
How can one discuss things when the bias is so overwhelming?
Too bad this is the CDZ

Are you having trouble articulating in the CDZ? There is no bias. Your own white historians admit to everything I said in my post. The Greeks for example didnt consider themselves "white". They thought whites were savages. Look it up.

So? Rachel Dolezal thinks she is black. Does that make her black? No LOL
They didn't think "whites" were savages. The might have thought "lighter skinned" people were weak because of their hardships. An example would be climate.

What does Rachel Dolezal have to do with this?

The greeks used the word savage to describe whites.

Not because of their skin color but because of their "hardships" so to speak.
Environment climate etc
Racialization was developed by the Europeans. As far as I can tell.

I disagree. Aristotle himself was a racialist. You lied and claimed the Greeks didnt think of whites as savages. Why did you lie? Here is Aristotle expressing his views using color.


"Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions; but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox. A pale mottled hue signifies cowardice, for that is the colour one turns in terror. "
-Aristotle

Aristotle huh? The man that contributed to almost every field of knowledge that man has. And even created some. You hate Aristotle, obviously. Why use him?
You ignored my reasons for saying that.

 

[Asclepias]

Are you having trouble articulating in the CDZ? There is no bias. Your own white historians admit to everything I said in my post. The Greeks for example didnt consider themselves "white". They thought whites were savages. Look it up.

So? Rachel Dolezal thinks she is black. Does that make her black? No LOL
They didn't think "whites" were savages. The might have thought "lighter skinned" people were weak because of their hardships. An example would be climate.

What does Rachel Dolezal have to do with this?

The greeks used the word savage to describe whites.

Not because of their skin color but because of their "hardships" so to speak.
Environment climate etc
Racialization was developed by the Europeans. As far as I can tell.

I disagree. Aristotle himself was a racialist. You lied and claimed the Greeks didnt think of whites as savages. Why did you lie? Here is Aristotle expressing his views using color.


"Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions; but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox. A pale mottled hue signifies cowardice, for that is the colour one turns in terror. "
-Aristotle

Aristotle huh? The man that contributed to almost every field of knowledge that man has. And even created some. You hate Aristotle, obviously. Why use him?
You ignored my reasons for saying that.

Youre deflecting again. Please answer my question and I will tell you why I used Aristotle.

 

[TNHarley]

So? Rachel Dolezal thinks she is black. Does that make her black? No LOL
They didn't think "whites" were savages. The might have thought "lighter skinned" people were weak because of their hardships. An example would be climate.

What does Rachel Dolezal have to do with this?

The greeks used the word savage to describe whites.

Not because of their skin color but because of their "hardships" so to speak.
Environment climate etc
Racialization was developed by the Europeans. As far as I can tell.

I disagree. Aristotle himself was a racialist. You lied and claimed the Greeks didnt think of whites as savages. Why did you lie? Here is Aristotle expressing his views using color.


"Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions; but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox. A pale mottled hue signifies cowardice, for that is the colour one turns in terror. "
-Aristotle

Aristotle huh? The man that contributed to almost every field of knowledge that man has. And even created some. You hate Aristotle, obviously. Why use him?
You ignored my reasons for saying that.

Youre deflecting again. Please answer my question and I will tell you why I used Aristotle.

Im not deflecting. I am using your own fuckin argument against you.

 

[Asclepias]

What does Rachel Dolezal have to do with this?

The greeks used the word savage to describe whites.

Not because of their skin color but because of their "hardships" so to speak.
Environment climate etc
Racialization was developed by the Europeans. As far as I can tell.

I disagree. Aristotle himself was a racialist. You lied and claimed the Greeks didnt think of whites as savages. Why did you lie? Here is Aristotle expressing his views using color.


"Too black a hue marks the coward, as witness Egyptians and Ethiopians, and so does also too white a complexion, as you may see from women. So the hue that makes for courage must be intermediate between these extremes. A tawny colour indicates a bold spirit, as in lions; but too ruddy a hue marks a rogue, as in the case of the fox. A pale mottled hue signifies cowardice, for that is the colour one turns in terror. "
-Aristotle

Aristotle huh? The man that contributed to almost every field of knowledge that man has. And even created some. You hate Aristotle, obviously. Why use him?
You ignored my reasons for saying that.

Youre deflecting again. Please answer my question and I will tell you why I used Aristotle.

Im not deflecting. I am using your own fuckin argument against you.

Deflecting is not using my argument against me. Its avoiding my question. Dont get angry and emotional. Use your intellect. This is the CDZ.

 

[JimBowie1958]

American whites banned slavery. All other enslaved groups got themselves out from under slavery..

The Europeans also banned slavery and before we did. The Brits, Spanish, French and the Vatican banned it, but the US was the only nation that fought a civil war to end it, though that goal was adopted late in the war.

 

[Dan Daly]

How can one have a civil debate when the premise of the subject is one as decidedly uncivil and ignorant as trying to divide people on the basis of the color of their skin? Hey, lets debate farts while we are at it!

 

[Asclepias]

American whites banned slavery. All other enslaved groups got themselves out from under slavery..

The Europeans also banned slavery and before we did. The Brits, Spanish, French and the Vatican banned it, but the US was the only nation that fought a civil war to end it, though that goal was adopted late in the war.

Your selective memory is amusing. The civil war was not fought to free slaves. Freeing the slaves was a maneuver. One that Lincoln said himself was only a means to keep the union together.

"My paramount object in this struggle is to save the Union, and is not either to save or destroy Slavery. If I could save the Union without freeing any slave, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing all the slaves, I would do it, and if I could save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would also do that. "
-Abe Lincoln

 

[LoneLaugher]

This has been a very serious thread. White people are friggen awesome! Yay......white people!!!

 

[Thunderbird]

"Science" has historically been used to advance racism. How silly of you not to know that? This "science" was taught for decades in schools all in an effort to establish whites as the genisis of homo sapiens when common sense and proof had already discovered it was actually Blacks.

I couldn't agree more that pseudo-science has been used to promote racism! Here's Voltaire: It is a serious question among them whether the Africans are descended from monkeys or whether the monkeys come from them. Our wise men have said that man was created in the image of God. Now here is a lovely image of the Divine Maker: a flat and black nose with little or hardly any intelligence.

Here's Darwin: At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

Biologist Ernst Haeckel contributed to the rise of Nazism.

But science, not pseudo-science, tells us that Australian aborigines are more closely related to Asians than Africans. Aborigines are dark-skinned because they stayed in the tropics.

 

[Damaged Eagle]

The easier question to answer would be, "what haven't the whites done"?

Thats easy. Create anything without help from other cultures.

So whites just took what other cultures had and made it 100X better?
That's fair.

According to whites. Thats why we have pollution, poison in our environment, high rates of cancer and all that good stuff.

Too bad you just described Earth and not a specific race..

No. Whites used the knowledge gained from other cultures to fuck up the earth. For example we can blow the earth to hell and back courtesy of a white person.

By your definition Einstein would be Jewish which makes him semantic and not Caucasian.

*****CHUCKLE*****

 

[D Truth]

Eh, what the hell... may as well take a bite.

Racist threads like this... well don't really belong in a clean debate.
'Muh whiteness, 'Muh blackness... really?

Arguing absurd abstract to absurd abstract?
Granted, race is a biological reality, but extrapolating individuals to some biologically distinctive group is not exactly rational.

The real answer to the question of the OP has nothing to do with attributing some individual accomplishments to some group.
The only thing any "race" has contributed to the planet is that they ARE A RACE.
Simple biology folks.

White, Oriental, Eskimo, Semite and whatever other labels there are...These biologically distinct peoples are only able to contribute as a group the fact that they are distinct. Which is good! People are no different than any other animal, we evolve to different environments. We need these distinct pockets of people all over the planet because if we all default to the lowest common denominator even the lowest form of viral or bacterial life will kill all of us.
So you see, racial diversity in it's truest sense is a very good thing. Separate groups of people remaining geographically separated and evolving accordingly is the best future for mankind as a whole. Contrary to the absurd marxist argument of "diversity means blending all races into one world order" - Yes, marxists are that retarded.

The only thing a biological race can accomplish that is GOOD is simply to remain distinct.

The ones you have to worry about are those who preach that one race is superior to any other: be it white, black, semite, asian, other, or most recently the mixed up. Such racism is pure juvenile idiocy at best, genocidal evil at worst. OP, I advise that you not become the enemy you claim to be fighting, because your rhetoric is making you appear no different.

 

[Asclepias]

Thats easy. Create anything without help from other cultures.

So whites just took what other cultures had and made it 100X better?
That's fair.

According to whites. Thats why we have pollution, poison in our environment, high rates of cancer and all that good stuff.

Too bad you just described Earth and not a specific race..

No. Whites used the knowledge gained from other cultures to fuck up the earth. For example we can blow the earth to hell and back courtesy of a white person.

By your definition Einstein would be Jewish which makes him semantic and not Caucasian.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Well you cant claim him when its convenient for you. Is he white or not?

 

[D Truth]

So whites just took what other cultures had and made it 100X better?
That's fair.

According to whites. Thats why we have pollution, poison in our environment, high rates of cancer and all that good stuff.

Too bad you just described Earth and not a specific race..

No. Whites used the knowledge gained from other cultures to fuck up the earth. For example we can blow the earth to hell and back courtesy of a white person.

By your definition Einstein would be Jewish which makes him semantic and not Caucasian.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Well you cant claim him when its convenient for you. Is he white or not?

Einstein "worked" in a patent office. Stole information, sold it as his own.
And now, the racists argue over such a single grain of sand on a global beach over it's color and how it's color somehow defines the fate of every grain on the beach.
Anyone else see the absurdity?

I find it funny, but in a sad kind of way.

 

[Asclepias]

According to whites. Thats why we have pollution, poison in our environment, high rates of cancer and all that good stuff.

Too bad you just described Earth and not a specific race..

No. Whites used the knowledge gained from other cultures to fuck up the earth. For example we can blow the earth to hell and back courtesy of a white person.

By your definition Einstein would be Jewish which makes him semantic and not Caucasian.

*****CHUCKLE*****

Well you cant claim him when its convenient for you. Is he white or not?

Einstein "worked" in a patent office. Stole information, sold it as his own.
And now, the racists argue over such a single grain of sand on a global beach over it's color and how it's color somehow defines the fate of every grain on the beach.
Anyone else see the absurdity?

I find it funny, but in a sad kind of way.

Sounds like Thomas Edison.

 

[JQPublic1]

Thats easy. Create anything without help from other cultures.

So whites just took what other cultures had and made it 100X better?
That's fair.

According to whites. Thats why we have pollution, poison in our environment, high rates of cancer and all that good stuff.

Too bad you just described Earth and not a specific race..

No. Whites used the knowledge gained from other cultures to fuck up the earth. For example we can blow the earth to hell and back courtesy of a white person.

By your definition Einstein would be Jewish which makes him semantic and not Caucasian.

*****CHUCKLE*****

By jove,I've never thought of it that way. I guess E=MC square is a kind of "semantic" offering even for a Semitic!

 

[JQPublic1]

"Science" has historically been used to advance racism. How silly of you not to know that? This "science" was taught for decades in schools all in an effort to establish whites as the genisis of homo sapiens when common sense and proof had already discovered it was actually Blacks.

I couldn't agree more that pseudo-science has been used to promote racism! Here's Voltaire: It is a serious question among them whether the Africans are descended from monkeys or whether the monkeys come from them. Our wise men have said that man was created in the image of God. Now here is a lovely image of the Divine Maker: a flat and black nose with little or hardly any intelligence.

Here's Darwin: At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.

Biologist Ernst Haeckel contributed to the rise of Nazism.

But science, not pseudo-science, tells us that Australian aborigines are more closely related to Asians than Africans. Aborigines are dark-skinned because they stayed in the tropics.

What science? Your diagram is not scientific proof of anything!

 

[Fishlore]

"So much of the discussion today is about all the horrible things the Marxist left imagines whites have done, and then whites that still have any positive regard for their own race, defends and explains why these things are not as bad as the Marxists are claiming."

This statement shows a garbled misunderstanding of Marx and his followers. Marxists do not condemn any race, color etc. To Marxists, blame attaches to the ruling classes in different countries. Marxists gained notoriety in opposing World War I, claiming that workers on both sides were being exploited and that the real struggle was for "Workers of the World, Unite!" against their bosses.

Similarly, Marxism has always denounced racism as a component of capitalist imperialism. Socialist countries, even Communist countries, are pro-active in demanding equal rights for women and minorities.

Most Americans, duped by right-wing propaganda in the public schools know nothing about Karl Marx and the political movements his ideas inspired. Right wing talk radio uses Marx as a synonym of HItler, Stalin, ISIS and Genghis Kahn. It is a sad reflection on our political decay that most so-called conservatives know no better.

 

[shadow355]

This is a serious thread. So much of the discussion today is about all the horrible things the Marxist left imagines whites have done, and then whites that still have any positive regard for their own race, defends and explains why these things are not as bad as the Marxists are claiming. But you still end up with a net negative as people triangulate truth these days instead of using reason to clear their mental decks of all the Marxist lies.
Then you have the folks who inexplicably think that everything whites have made was stolen from someone else. Even some conservatives I talk to today think this nonsense is true

So I would like to see a thread that mentions of some things that have been good and a boon to humanity done entirely by white people. If we are going to push back on the anti-white racism the Marxists espouse we have to keep these unequivocal things in mind.

So I will start with three categories; science and technology, entertainment and culture and political reform and liberty. I'm leaving military advances out of this one as it is arguably not a universal boon to mankind.

Science and Technology; Modern calculus, heliocentric model of the solar system, the atom, the transistor, the automobile, the computer, the airplane, the television, and the metal ship. Geometry, Relativity and all moon landings. Roman arch and aqueducts, and indoor plumbing. Nuclear fission and fusion.

Entertainment and culture; Opera, most modern musical instruments like the piano, the electric guitar and the organ. Professional Sports Leagues, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, fictional literature, and card game Bridge and chess. the top selling books, of history 'The Bible', of fiction 'Atlas Shrugged', nonfiction 'the Gulag Archipelago' and 'the Diary of Ann Frank'. Realism painting, Impressionism, and photography.

Political Reform and Liberty; Magna Carta, US Declaration of Independence, Rights of Man, Democratic Socialism, Burkean conservatism, Platonic School of Reason, democracy and the division of power. Das Kapital, the Enlightenment, Parliamentary representation, the banishment of slavery, the united Nations.

That ought to get things rolling. Please leave out racist nonsense here and take it to some racism forum like Storm Front, if you dont mind.

Also, if Marxists would kindly refrain from listing their anti-white rhetoric that would be appreciated.

Forget the whites.

The Native Americans set the foundation for pretty much everything.

Thousands killed...... Over being prejudiced against the Indians.

Shadow 355

 

[JimBowie1958]

Forget the whites.

The Native Americans set the foundation for pretty much everything.

Thousands killed...... Over being prejudiced against the Indians.

Shadow 355

Yep, cant expect a libtard to ever give any credit to whites for any accomplishments at all.

Here is another white accomplishment: ACDC.









stick that up you pipe and smoke it, chief.

 

[320 Years of History]

This is a serious thread. So much of the discussion today is about all the horrible things the Marxist left imagines whites have done, and then whites that still have any positive regard for their own race, defends and explains why these things are not as bad as the Marxists are claiming. But you still end up with a net negative as people triangulate truth these days instead of using reason to clear their mental decks of all the Marxist lies.

Then you have the folks who inexplicably think that everything whites have made was stolen from someone else. Even some conservatives I talk to today think this nonsense is true

So I would like to see a thread that mentions of some things that have been good and a boon to humanity done entirely by white people. If we are going to push back on the anti-white racism the Marxists espouse we have to keep these unequivocal things in mind.

So I will start with three categories; science and technology, entertainment and culture and political reform and liberty. I'm leaving military advances out of this one as it is arguably not a universal boon to mankind.

Science and Technology; Modern calculus, heliocentric model of the solar system, the atom, the transistor, the automobile, the computer, the airplane, the television, and the metal ship. Geometry, Relativity and all moon landings. Roman arch and aqueducts, and indoor plumbing. Nuclear fission and fusion.

Entertainment and culture; Opera, most modern musical instruments like the piano, the electric guitar and the organ. Professional Sports Leagues, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, fictional literature, and card game Bridge and chess. the top selling books, of history 'The Bible', of fiction 'Atlas Shrugged', nonfiction 'the Gulag Archipelago' and 'the Diary of Ann Frank'. Realism painting, Impressionism, and photography.

Political Reform and Liberty; Magna Carta, US Declaration of Independence, Rights of Man, Democratic Socialism, Burkean conservatism, Platonic School of Reason, democracy and the division of power. Das Kapital, the Enlightenment, Parliamentary representation, the banishment of slavery, the united Nations.

That ought to get things rolling. Please leave out racist nonsense here and take it to some racism forum like Storm Front, if you dont mind.

Also, if Marxists would kindly refrain from listing their anti-white rhetoric that would be appreciated.

Much as I would like to provide an in depth reply, I am reticent to do so because the tone of your opening and closing statements suggest this thread has been created to entreat a discursive imbroglio.

Nobody in their right might denies that numerous white individuals have provided all manners and copious positive contributions to humanity. The matter of derisive comments about "white people" rests not on individual accomplishments but on rather on the impact modern era whites have had on the planet and on other people. There is no question too that in the United States the decried acts -- most notably slavery and its impacts -- were conducted on the whole in the interest of ensuring the supremacy of whites over non-whites. The institution of slavery may have begun as an economic and religiously driven thing, but it evolved by the 19th century into a ethic superiority thing.

That remnants of the attitudes set down from the 1700s to the late 1900s continue to shape the thinking of individuals to day is the problem. Plantation owners of the pre-Civil War era were people of their time. You and I are of our time. The thing of which folks gripe these days is now that it's been clearly shown that whiteness confers not natural advantages, other than perhaps being somewhat better suited to less sunny climes, it is unjust to continue to harbor and allow to color (no pun) our attitudes about race. Of the three races on the planet, the only one that for hundreds of years harbored the hubris of self-supremacy over the other two has been the white race, Caucasians.

Does that apply to all whites? Of course not. But that's the thing. White folks have, in the course of their dominance on the planet, created a global culture where people were ranked based on racial composition. I don't happen to believe that in the early years of Western Civilization's rise there was a deliberate "white vs. black vs. Asian" aspect to that happening, but it sure did come to be just that.