What Excuse Remains for Obama’s Failure to Close GITMO?

[JakeStarkey]

What's the difference, and why is Congress required for one but not the other? Yes, the right is going to blame Obama for whatever he does regardless, so it would be better if he would just do the right thing.

It's been answered sufficiently and correctly.

The right thing is that he has no where to put the prisoners without Congress exploding, "not in my district".

However, it may be time to open the FEMA camps, and we can put the gitmo gits and Vigilante and Shootspeeders and Lonestar and the rest there for starters.

Let the prisoners sort themselves out.

It hasn't been answered at all, actually.

They don't have to come to the U.S.

Actually, you can't have it both ways, Kevin.

 

[Katzndogz]

There must be some part of obama that knows he would be unleashing a bloodbath if the rest of those prisoners are released. He might do it in his last days so that an incoming president would have to deal with the results.

 

[The T]

There must be some part of obama that knows he would be unleashing a bloodbath if the rest of those prisoners are released. He might do it in his last days so that an incoming president would have to deal with the results.

Odd too, that Obama blames this still on BUSH.

 

[Political Junky]

The Right is bitching about 5 prisoners being released, while suggesting that Gitmo be closed, so that all of them will be released.

 

[JakeStarkey]

That is the stupid far right of the GOP.

 

[Vigilante]

The Right is bitching about 5 prisoners being released, while suggesting that Gitmo be closed, so that all of them will be released.

Who is bitching about GITMO closing on the right?

 

[KNB]

The Right is bitching about 5 prisoners being released, while suggesting that Gitmo be closed, so that all of them will be released.

Who is bitching about GITMO closing on the right?

What's the point of this thread then? "You Republicans" means every single Confederate mouth-breather who voted for Bush because you want "smaller government". Yeah, the USAPATRIOT Act of 2001. REALLY small government there, Republicans. Good ******* job. Lies to start an endless war. You know, small government fiscal conservative Republican family values.

Guantanamo Bay prison gulag colony, established 2002. An American prison in Communist Cuba where prisoners don't have any rights at all and can be held for decades without even being charged with a crime. Brilliant job, Republicans. That's the smallest government possible, right? No laws, no rules, no oversight, no Constitution. Endlessly force-feeding prisoners who would rather die than live for decades in cages because someone thinks that they might do something somewhere. You small government Republicans are so smart.

"What is Obama's reason for keeping Guantanamo open?" is like asking "Why isn't Guantanamo closed yet?" Let's cut the bullshit and get to the point of this thread.

Do Republicans want Obama to close Guantanamo? Yes or no.

 

[Vigilante]

The Right is bitching about 5 prisoners being released, while suggesting that Gitmo be closed, so that all of them will be released.

Who is bitching about GITMO closing on the right?

What's the point of this thread then? "You Republicans" means every single Confederate mouth-breather who voted for Bush because you want "smaller government". Yeah, the USAPATRIOT Act of 2001. REALLY small government there, Republicans. Good ******* job. Lies to start an endless war. You know, small government fiscal conservative Republican family values.

Guantanamo Bay prison gulag colony, established 2002. An American prison in Communist Cuba where prisoners don't have any rights at all and can be held for decades without even being charged with a crime. Brilliant job, Republicans. That's the smallest government possible, right? No laws, no rules, no oversight, no Constitution. Endlessly force-feeding prisoners who would rather die than live for decades in cages because someone thinks that they might do something somewhere. You small government Republicans are so smart.

"What is Obama's reason for keeping Guantanamo open?" is like asking "Why isn't Guantanamo closed yet?" Let's cut the bullshit and get to the point of this thread.

Do Republicans want Obama to close Guantanamo? Yes or no.

Do you want all the prisoners just set free? Why haven't there been trials? What happened to KSM's trial? NYC REFUSED to have his trial there, where else to hold a trial, shall we just let him go also?

 

[The T]

Who is bitching about GITMO closing on the right?

What's the point of this thread then? "You Republicans" means every single Confederate mouth-breather who voted for Bush because you want "smaller government". Yeah, the USAPATRIOT Act of 2001. REALLY small government there, Republicans. Good ******* job. Lies to start an endless war. You know, small government fiscal conservative Republican family values.

Guantanamo Bay prison gulag colony, established 2002. An American prison in Communist Cuba where prisoners don't have any rights at all and can be held for decades without even being charged with a crime. Brilliant job, Republicans. That's the smallest government possible, right? No laws, no rules, no oversight, no Constitution. Endlessly force-feeding prisoners who would rather die than live for decades in cages because someone thinks that they might do something somewhere. You small government Republicans are so smart.

"What is Obama's reason for keeping Guantanamo open?" is like asking "Why isn't Guantanamo closed yet?" Let's cut the bullshit and get to the point of this thread.

Do Republicans want Obama to close Guantanamo? Yes or no.

Do you want all the prisoners just set free? Why haven't there been trials? What happened to KSM's trial? NYC REFUSED to have his trial there, where else to hold a trial, shall we just let him go also?

They don't deserve trials...they deserve a bullet to the brain.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

What will be done with the prisoners at GITMO? The US refused as did other nations..We are stuck with a Bush era problem...

As they've been convicted of no crimes, I'd suggest letting them go wherever they want. They should probably be given some sort of reparations for pain and suffering as well.

Where THEY want is utterly irrelevant. The key is where they are accepted as it is generally frowned upon simply dumping prisoners off in nations that have not authorized you to do so.

Who is willing to take them?

SANAA, Yemen: Yemen begins push to get citizens out of Guantanamo detention | Middle East | McClatchy DC

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Why?
I think you are incorrect here. This might be exactly what he is doing – testing the waters to see what the reactions are of the public and congress when he unilaterally does as you suggest.

How is that a partisan opinion? That has nothing to do with whether or not anyone thinks that is the correct decision to make. This does give him the opportunity to gauge the response when others are released.

It wouldn't make sense for Obama to "lose" on the issue of Guantanamo if he was going to do it anyways. He would've just done it in the first place.

?

That does not make sense in the context of my statements.
I said that this might very well be a test phase to see what the response is. If the politics of this is to grate a price, he might not close it. If there was little to no response then he might have closed it unilaterally himself. That is not a partisan statement as you claimed it is - just a possibility for this move.

If he was going to test the waters he simply would have done it back before he "lost" on the issue to Congress was my point.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

It's been answered sufficiently and correctly.

The right thing is that he has no where to put the prisoners without Congress exploding, "not in my district".

However, it may be time to open the FEMA camps, and we can put the gitmo gits and Vigilante and Shootspeeders and Lonestar and the rest there for starters.

Let the prisoners sort themselves out.

It hasn't been answered at all, actually.

They don't have to come to the U.S.

Actually, you can't have it both ways, Kevin.

Actually it's Obama having it both ways, not me. On the one hand he can't release prisoners because Congress stopped him, but on the other he can release prisoners unilaterally. Since nobody can explain the difference I'm forced to conclude that Obama lied and never intended to close Guantanamo and that that was merely campaign rhetoric to get the Democratic nomination.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Right is bitching about 5 prisoners being released, while suggesting that Gitmo be closed, so that all of them will be released.

Oh brother. Not only is your point completely irrelevant, but it's not even factually correct. The "right-wingers" in this thread are complaining that Obama might close Guantanamo; I am complaining that he hasn't. They are not suggesting Gitmo be closed, and I am not complaining about the release of any prisoners.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The Right is bitching about 5 prisoners being released, while suggesting that Gitmo be closed, so that all of them will be released.

Who is bitching about GITMO closing on the right?

What's the point of this thread then? "You Republicans" means every single Confederate mouth-breather who voted for Bush because you want "smaller government". Yeah, the USAPATRIOT Act of 2001. REALLY small government there, Republicans. Good ******* job. Lies to start an endless war. You know, small government fiscal conservative Republican family values.

Guantanamo Bay prison gulag colony, established 2002. An American prison in Communist Cuba where prisoners don't have any rights at all and can be held for decades without even being charged with a crime. Brilliant job, Republicans. That's the smallest government possible, right? No laws, no rules, no oversight, no Constitution. Endlessly force-feeding prisoners who would rather die than live for decades in cages because someone thinks that they might do something somewhere. You small government Republicans are so smart.

"What is Obama's reason for keeping Guantanamo open?" is like asking "Why isn't Guantanamo closed yet?" Let's cut the bullshit and get to the point of this thread.

Do Republicans want Obama to close Guantanamo? Yes or no.

Maybe if you read what the actual Republicans in this thread are saying you'd know the answer to that question. They've been quite clear.

 

[ClosedCaption]

Have any of you Republicans read the responses against Obama for trading five bearded wastes of life for one bearded waste of life? Why don't you start a discussion titled "What do we do with the dozens of Muj freedom fighters in Guantanamo when Obama closes it?" Remember how Obama's a power-hungry ***** Marxist dictator for negotiating with terrorists?

Let's find out what Republicans' will have to say about Obama releasing over a hundred terrorist freedom fighters. What is the Republican plan for dealing with those terrorist freedom fighter POWs? Shoot them? Why didn't Bush do that and then close Guantanamo? Do Republicans have any ideas other than "I hate Obama!"?

Repubs are asking why Obama hasnt unilaterally released them while claiming he's some sort of Ultra Liberal (doesnt make sense)

Where should he release them? Doesnt matter
How should he? Unilaterally
Why should he release them unilaterally when Repubs are crying about Obama acting Unilaterally? ....
Congress wont give funds to move prisoners how should Obama do it? Dont matter

Go back to question 1.

Its like they want things to happen that they dont support just because and how, when, why doesnt matter. They say it therefore it should happen *shrug*

I'll ask you the same question I asked KNB: What Republicans are you talking about? Are they in this thread? If not, why is any of this nonsense relevant?

Right here in this thread. Now I have a question for you.

Do you agree that Obama should close GITMO? Is so, Should he do it without Congress or not?

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Repubs are asking why Obama hasnt unilaterally released them while claiming he's some sort of Ultra Liberal (doesnt make sense)

Where should he release them? Doesnt matter
How should he? Unilaterally
Why should he release them unilaterally when Repubs are crying about Obama acting Unilaterally? ....
Congress wont give funds to move prisoners how should Obama do it? Dont matter

Go back to question 1.

Its like they want things to happen that they dont support just because and how, when, why doesnt matter. They say it therefore it should happen *shrug*

I'll ask you the same question I asked KNB: What Republicans are you talking about? Are they in this thread? If not, why is any of this nonsense relevant?

Right here in this thread. Now I have a question for you.

Do you agree that Obama should close GITMO? Is so, Should he do it without Congress or not?

Can you quote us where any Republicans in this thread are advocating that Obama close Gitmo? All I've seen are Republicans complaining that he might do so, which indicates that they oppose him doing so.

As for me, I absolutely think he should close Gitmo, which has always been my position, and have no problem with him doing so without Congressional approval. Closing Gitmo was one of the few issues I agreed with candidate Obama on, even though I didn't believe he was sincere in wanting to do so. In that I was correct.

 

[ClosedCaption]

I'll ask you the same question I asked KNB: What Republicans are you talking about? Are they in this thread? If not, why is any of this nonsense relevant?

Right here in this thread. Now I have a question for you.

Do you agree that Obama should close GITMO? Is so, Should he do it without Congress or not?

Can you quote us where any Republicans in this thread are advocating that Obama close Gitmo? All I've seen are Republicans complaining that he might do so, which indicates that they oppose him doing so.

As for me, I absolutely think he should close Gitmo, which has always been my position, and have no problem with him doing so without Congressional approval. Closing Gitmo was one of the few issues I agreed with candidate Obama on, even though I didn't believe he was sincere in wanting to do so. In that I was correct.

There, I bolded it for you.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Right here in this thread. Now I have a question for you.

Do you agree that Obama should close GITMO? Is so, Should he do it without Congress or not?

Can you quote us where any Republicans in this thread are advocating that Obama close Gitmo? All I've seen are Republicans complaining that he might do so, which indicates that they oppose him doing so.

As for me, I absolutely think he should close Gitmo, which has always been my position, and have no problem with him doing so without Congressional approval. Closing Gitmo was one of the few issues I agreed with candidate Obama on, even though I didn't believe he was sincere in wanting to do so. In that I was correct.

There, I bolded it for you.

Oh, I'm a Republican now?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Can you quote us where any Republicans in this thread are advocating that Obama close Gitmo? All I've seen are Republicans complaining that he might do so, which indicates that they oppose him doing so.

As for me, I absolutely think he should close Gitmo, which has always been my position, and have no problem with him doing so without Congressional approval. Closing Gitmo was one of the few issues I agreed with candidate Obama on, even though I didn't believe he was sincere in wanting to do so. In that I was correct.

There, I bolded it for you.

Oh, I'm a Republican now?

Let me guess, you one of the spinoff's.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

There, I bolded it for you.

Oh, I'm a Republican now?

Let me guess, you one of the spinoff's.

It's funny how criticizing Obama automatically makes you a Republican or a "spinoff," whatever that is. I suppose Glenn Greenwald must also be a Republican for daring to suggest that Obama lied?