What do normal people - think of Israel?

[SAYIT]

There are Muslims in the U.S. UK. E.U. etc. Are you saying that Muslims cannot voice an opinion because they are Muslim?

You're being stupid. Rather than ASSUME what I mean, simply read my posts without applying your meanings.
5 of the 25 countries polled were MUSLIM MAJORITY ... some nearly 100%!
I SPECIFICALLY said using the opinion of the Muslim majority countries in that poll skews the findings, rendering them predictable and irrelevant. I said NOTHING of discounting the opinion of Muslim minority (some with significant Muslim minorities) countries. I mean, if you can't comprehend that, get an adult to help you.

 

[SAYIT]

Changes its behaviour. lol

Like permitting suicide bombers to roam in and out at will.

Bus loads of Israelis (including Arabs) exploding every other day on the streets of Tel Aviv. Then there are the shopping malls.

THAT sort of behaviour.

The Palestinian stopped using suicide bombers.

Only after Israel built that security fence. I told you it would save lives (which seems to be a prob for you anti-Israel posters).

 

[SAYIT]

Not at all. I have no problem admitting that Israel is very unpopular in Muslim majority countries and that tends to skew any poll in which 5 of the 25 nations polled are majority Muslim and 3 more have substantial Muslim minorities.
Can you admit the skew was both predictable and intentional?

No, all I can admit is that you are casting Israel as a victim of persecution when it is treated the same as other countries.

Then you simply are too cowardly to admit that stacking the polling deck with 5 (of 25 polled) Muslim majority countries yielded a result that was both predictable (anti-Israel) and intentional.

 

[SAYIT]

And then the deluded pro Palestinians here run around saying "Look, the whole world hates Israel!!"

Yup, pro Palestinians like the Jerusalem Post are saying Israel is one of the least popular countries in the world.

You are being disingenuous (or just stupid). JPost is simply regurgitating the poll's results which, thanks to the preponderance of Muslim majority countries involved, was predictable.

 

[SAYIT]

Israel is a target; they will never be a victim again!!!

Greg

Israel has never been a victim, ever. Jewish/Yiddish Europeans were the victims of a bunch of Right-wing, racist thugs, thats a real tragedy.

Indeed it was but the perps were National Socialist (as in SOCIALISTS) proving one need not be "Right-wing" to be a Jew-hating facist.
BTW, Zionism - the movement to reestablish a Jewish Homeland in and around Jerusalem predates the German National Socialists' rise to power by decades.

 

[SAYIT]

Who the hell cares what others think of Israel?? You'll get the same answers if you ask those same countries about the USA!!! Stuff 'em!!

Greg

Once again you display your ignorance, your default behaviour, even though the link has been constantly posted.

Not that you reading the poll would make any difference to your comprehension of it.

http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf

Ignoring the fact that the poll's results were predetermined by using 5 Muslim countries isn't just intellectually dishonest, it's just plain stupid.

 

[SAYIT]

Changes its behaviour. lol.

I'm sure a realist such as yourself is happy to admit Israel deserves the reputation it goes by in the world.

Clearly it does in both the Muslim and Nazi worlds.

 

[SAYIT]

Amazing there is such resistance to information. Really it amounts to a culture of denial.

No wonder they stopped including Egypt.

But they did include Egypt along with 4 other Muslim countries. Clearly that was a mistake that skewed the results and diminished the value of that poll..

 

[cnm]

Not at all. I have no problem admitting that Israel is very unpopular in Muslim majority countries and that tends to skew any poll in which 5 of the 25 nations polled are majority Muslim and 3 more have substantial Muslim minorities.
Can you admit the skew was both predictable and intentional?

No, all I can admit is that you are casting Israel as a victim of persecution when it is treated the same as other countries.

Then you simply are too cowardly to admit that stacking the polling deck with 5 (of 25 polled) Muslim majority countries yielded a result that was both predictable (anti-Israel) and intentional.

Having, in a poll, Muslim nations in proportion to Islam's world population is only stacking the deck from the point of view of those casting themselves as victims.

That would be Israel as normal people perceive it.

To the rest of the world, it's normal practice for everyone to have a voice.

 

[cnm]

You are being disingenuous (or just stupid). JPost is simply regurgitating the poll's results which, thanks to the preponderance of Muslim majority countries involved, was predictable.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here.

That if Muslims are treated as unpeople and barred from participation in polls then people's perception of Israel will have it ranked next to Russia rather than next to North Korea?

That might well be the case, but so what? No-one's opinion of Israel has changed, it is no less isolated, its apologists are still fooling themselves to the same degree, Israel still has the same massive PR problem.

 

[Lipush]

"It's unimportant what the Gentiles say, it's only important what the Jews do". - David Ben Gurion

I find that sentence always relevant.

 

[cnm]

Ignoring the fact that the poll's results were predetermined by using 5 Muslim countries isn't just intellectually dishonest, it's just plain stupid.

I can see you are determined that Muslims not be regarded as people when perceptions are polled. There might be an explanation of what normal people think of Israel in that circumstance.

 

[cnm]

But they did include Egypt along with 4 other Muslim countries.

I thought it might have been because of De Nile that Egypt was dropped from the poll. I see that actually according to you it was that Egyptians should not have the status of 'people'.

 

[cnm]

I mean, if Israel finds it such an odious thing to have normal people rank it next to North korea it can change its behaviour.

Or it could just decide normal people's opinions are irrelevant.

Funnily enough it seems to want to find acceptance while behaving in ways unacceptable to normal people.

 

[toastman]

Ignoring the fact that the poll's results were predetermined by using 5 Muslim countries isn't just intellectually dishonest, it's just plain stupid.

I can see you are determined that Muslims not be regarded as people when perceptions are polled. There might be an explanation of what normal people think of Israel in that circumstance.

No, what she means is that Muslims states will always have a negative view about Israel, even if the whole world had a positive view about the Jewish state. In other words, they have no credibility with this poll.

 

[cnm]

No, what she means is that Muslims states will always have a negative view about Israel, even if the whole world had a positive view about the Jewish state. In other words, they have no credibility with this poll.

So you want to treat Muslims as though they don't exist, as though they are unpeople and their views don't count.

That might well explain some of what normal people think about Israel and why Israel is losing support and becoming isolated.

 

[ChrisL]

No, what she means is that Muslims states will always have a negative view about Israel, even if the whole world had a positive view about the Jewish state. In other words, they have no credibility with this poll.

So you want to treat Muslims as though they don't exist, as though they are unpeople and their views don't count.

That might well explain some of what normal people think about Israel and why Israel is losing support and becoming isolated.

"Unpeople?" That's a new one. The Muslim extremists (of which there are MANY), need to start behaving like people first.

 

[cnm]

"Unpeople?" That's a new one. The Muslim extremists (of which there are MANY), need to start behaving like people first.

Normal people think Muslims are people whose views deserve to be heard. If Israel does not think Muslims are people whose views deserve to be heard then that would be a good explanation for the things normal people think about Israel.

 

[ChrisL]

"Unpeople?" That's a new one. The Muslim extremists (of which there are MANY), need to start behaving like people first.

Normal people think Muslims are people whose views deserve to be heard. If Israel does not think Muslims are people whose views deserve to be heard then that would be a good explanation for the things normal people think about Israel.

Nobody who is "normal" will listen to them until they stop being terrorists.

 

[Mindful]

How dare Israel defend itself. We only like them when they're victims.

From The Independent, no less:

But there is a world of difference between the only democracy in a region which is rapidly reverting to open savagery and a terrorist organisation which has the complete destruction of a neighbouring country as the central plank of their constitution. But we will still see any Israeli response condemned by those useful idiots in the West who insist that Hamas is a legitimate, democratic organisation. It's not, it never has been and it doesn't want to be.

Professional ideologues, and those simply too stupid to make up their own mind, would have you believe that Hamas probably didn't do it, but if they did, they must have had a good reason. This is the kind of wilful ignorance – even the Palestinian security services agree that it was Hamas – that compels people to justify or explain the murders with counter-accusations and slurs before resorting to some nonsense about the IDF being as bad as the Nazis, and Israel being some of sort of Zionist, apartheid Fourth Reich.

We've seen a lot of that kind of rubbish in the hours since the bodies were discovered and it's a myth which has been peddled by more than one Irish politician in the past whenever they wanted to bolster their revolutionary credentials. And, in a classic example of counter-intuitive liberalism, it's wrong, they know it's wrong but they say it anyway.

The uncomfortable truth is that Israel is the front line of a war that was declared on Western values years ago, and it's one which we in the West have refused to acknowledge. That reluctance has been due to a combination of fear, an unwillingness to be perceived as racist or Islamophobic and of course, for some, there is a genuine, implacable belief that Israel deserves everything that's coming to it.

Of course, Israel could stop this all tomorrow if they wished and they could return this tiny pocket of land to the kind of peace and harmony of the areas that surround it.

All they need to do?

Cease to exist.

How dare Israel defend itself. We only like them when they re victims - Independent.ie