What do normal people - think of Israel?
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You have not presented evidence as to your perceived level of Israel's positive influence. That means poll results.
Pretending that Muslims are part of the world population who don't get a voice will not work.
Normal people think Israel casts itself as a victim of persecution and does not want to be held resposible for the reputation derived from its actions.
The issue isn't Israel's positive influence but rather the skewed nature of your poll.
In this case asking Muslims to judge Israel is a recipe for a predetermined outcome ... a negative view of Israel. In other words, the fix was in and the poll is of no value.
Normal people think anyone who spends hours at an obscure message board just to spew their hate for Israel are very strange.
Yes, Israel's reputation is the issue, that is what this thread is about.
You still haven't presented your evidence as to Israel's reputation for positive influence, merely denied that presented.
From this can be deduced you do not have any positive polls and you are denying the presented polls because you don't like the implications of the way Israel is regarded. You appear to be demanding Israel's neighbours' opinions be discounted.
Which is hilarious. Israel is determined to act as it sees fit, in the face of world disapproval, then demands that its reputation does not reflect its actions.
All the while Israel's apologists insist that the world is not actually disapproving, and that anyone who points out the world's (normal people's) opinion hates Israel.
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How persecuted can one victim be?
The 2013 Country Ratings Poll, conducted by GlobeScan/PIPA
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf
Questionnaire
I would now like to ask your impressions of some specific countries.
M1A.
Please tell me if you think each of the following countries is having a mainly positive or
mainly negative influence in the world
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Wow. You really are every bit as dim as your posts make you seem.
The heavily Muslim states (below) included in the poll skew it towards Jew-hate. I'd say that was the pollster's intent. What else explains the fact that this "global" poll of 25 countries includes 5 predominately Muslim states? In addition 3 states with large Muslim minorities were polled. I mean, what could possibly be the intent of asking such people how they feel about Israel?
Indonesia - 88% Muslim
Egypt - 95%
Turkey - 98%
Pakistan - 96%
Nigeria - 50%
India - 14% - the third-largest Muslim population and the largest Muslim population for a non-Muslim majority country.
Ghana - 18%
Russia - 14%
Hoho, the victim wants nearly a quarter of the world excluded from commenting on Israel while still allowing them to comment on the rest of the world. A clear case of persecution. It would be an amusing dance to watch if it wasn't so desperate.
Muslims constitute the world's second largest religious group. According to a 2010 study and released January 2011,[1][2] Islam has 1.57 billion adherents, making up over 23% of the world population.
Islam by country - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia
Joining a couple of Muslim countries at the bottom of the tabIe. Is that fair I ask you? I mean Muslim countries would have commented on Iran and Pakistan. Unfair! Especially as India was asked about Pakistan. Is that anyway to run a poll?
Israel 21%
North Korea 19%
Pakistan 15%
Iran 15%
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf
Israel 21%
North Korea 19%
Pakistan 15%
Iran 15%
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/2013 Country Rating Poll.pdf
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Woo. You really are reaching. India is just one country. Fully 5 of those countries polled were majority Muslim and 3 more have significant Muslim minorities but you must ignore such an obvious imbalance or you'd have nothing to whine about. Yeah, for the poll to be valid on Israel the 5 Muslim Majority nation's should be excluded.
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"Israel's negative rating rose by 10% in the US (from 31% to 41%) and in the UK (50% to 60%). Opinions on Israel also became more negative in Canada, Kenya, Indonesia, Australia, Portugal, Spain and Brazil."
Poll Israel among the world s least popular countries
Poll Israel among the world s least popular countries
Mummy they're picking on me, it's not fair. Everyone really likes me.
Because Muslims aren't people?
Of course I'm reaching, I'm mocking your statistical blindness.
Doesn't matter.
Israel is engaged in a Life-and-Death Struggle, not a Popularity Contest.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population are the same religious 'confession' as Israel's adversary.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population hail from countries where anti-Semitic (anti-Jewish) behaviors, pogroms and persecutions are commonplace, either in the present tense or in recent decades and centuries.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population do not understand that retreating to the 1967 borders will spell the death of the State of Israel - a slow death.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population understands that Israel cannot retreat to the 1967 borders but does not care, regardless.
For some odd reason, Israel chooses to focus upon its survival, rather than winning Miss Congeniality at the UN.
Israel is engaged in a Life-and-Death Struggle, not a Popularity Contest.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population are the same religious 'confession' as Israel's adversary.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population hail from countries where anti-Semitic (anti-Jewish) behaviors, pogroms and persecutions are commonplace, either in the present tense or in recent decades and centuries.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population do not understand that retreating to the 1967 borders will spell the death of the State of Israel - a slow death.
Some sizable minority percentage of the world's population understands that Israel cannot retreat to the 1967 borders but does not care, regardless.
For some odd reason, Israel chooses to focus upon its survival, rather than winning Miss Congeniality at the UN.
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Most colonial enterprises focus upon their survival. Most late 19th century and 20th century colonial enterprises did not survive. Israel as Jew ruled state will also not survive. It will, hopefully, become a secular state with all people having equal civil rights including the Jews as a minority.
That's a fine anti-Israel, pro-Palestinian sentiment, but it has very little connection to Reality - present or future tense.
One need look no further than the Palestinians own propaganda maps of shrinking Palestinian-controlled lands, to know the truth of that.
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