What came first, white guilt or allowing people to get away with bad behavior because they aren't white?

[Meathead]

U.S. Supreme Court — Stack v. Boyle (1951) is the clearest and most cited explanation of bail’s purpose:

“The purpose of bail is to assure the presence of the accused at trial.”

The Court explicitly held that bail cannot be used as punishment or set higher than necessary to ensure appearance.

Dude. Its law. You cant make up shit. Feel fee to post your proof. You wont. Its like shooting fish in a barrel here sometimes.

So who said it was being used for punishment? You did.

“The purpose of bail is to assure the presence of the accused at trial.”

 

[citygator]

So who said it was being used for punishment? You did.

“The purpose of bail is to assure the presence of the accused at trial.”

Really man? Really?

 

[Meathead]

Really man? Really?

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Are you really that stupid? Securing court appearances is part and parcel of securing justice.

This is far too stupid to continue, and you are an absolute moron.

 

[Cassandro]

Cashless bail, repeat offenders (usually black) cut loose or pleaded down to nothing compared with what they did....Slack sentencing.

The so-called "white guilt" to allow these weird things to come to pass had to come from somewhere.

Going on three generations have been raised to be civically and socially....Well...."Challenged", to put it kindly....What will it be like when the boomers pass and these "challenged" folks fully take the reigns of power?

I doubt I'll live to see the worst of it but it's coming and it won't be pretty.

Any opinions?

White guilt and tolerance of bad behavior are two peas in the same pod. The first stems from lowering standards and then rationalizing the results as being caused by some other factor. It is generally more comfortable to adopt self-guilt rather than confronting others with their misdeeds.

 

[braalian]

For felony charges that could result in conviction and incarceration appearance in court has to be guaranteed.

you think county jails can hold all those people awaiting trial?

bail exists just as much to not overburden the system as for any other reason

Or you're volunteering to pay a shit-ton more taxes to hold all these people until their court date?

 

[Cassandro]

If cash bail made us safer, the U.S. (which used it aggressively for decades) wouldn’t have had one of the highest incarceration rates on Earth and higher violent crime than peer nations.

So are you for no bail (to make us safer)?

Crime correlates far more strongly with poverty, neighborhood concentration, age, and policing patterns than race. When you control for income and environment, racial differences shrink dramatically.

...but not completely.

Also worth noting: white Americans commit the largest number of crimes in the U.S. every year.

Also worth noting: white Americans commit proportionally fewer crimes in the U.S. every year.

 

[Meathead]

you think county jails can hold all those people awaiting trial?

bail exists just as much to not overburden the system as for any other reason

Or you're volunteering to pay a shit-ton more taxes to hold all these people until their court date?

No you idiot. That's a primary reason why bail exists, and it's not for running red lights, jaywalking or singing too loudly in church.

This is just getting stupider.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

A + B = AB

Not mathematically correct. A+B=C
A times B equals AB

 

[citygator]

Are you really that stupid? Securing court appearances is part and parcel of securing justice.

This is far too stupid to continue, and you are an absolute moron.

I attached multiple studies that showed bail doesn’t compel attendance. That is why they have done away with it. If it worked, they’d use it. How stupid are you? I listed studies. You’ve done nothing put ***** ass bitching.

 

[sparky]

It is often the racism of lower expectations combined with a sense of paternalism.

i hadda read that three times.......~S~

 

[citygator]

So are you for no bail (to make us safer)?

Logic is escaping you guys. IF PEOPLE ARE UNSAFE FROM AN ACCUSED THE JUDGE CAN KEEP THEM IN JAIL.

If Elon Musk turns into a psychopath killer, should he get to post a $1B bail and go on a killing spree? NO. Money should not make us safer.

...but not completely.

Also worth noting: white Americans commit proportionally fewer crimes in the U.S. every year.

Adjusted for the factors I listed its nominal. Solve those issues. We have less crime now than we ever have and we are more diverse than ever. Explain that genius.

 

[Captain Creeper]

You know, if us white folks do, in fact, have privilege in our society, we would be dumber than shit to just piss it away! The only thing that makes sense is to take action to preserve our privilege.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Bullshit, bail is to secure justice.

Criminals are arrested every ******* day on bench warrants by the thousands, usually while committing crimes.

The only purpose of bail is to insure that defendants show up for trial. It’s not punishment.

 

[d0gbreath]

Cops always just take my drugs away from me (4 times). They either take them home or destroy them. They never told me which one.

Try to find a dark skinned person with my story.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Cops always just take my drugs away from me (4 times). They either take them home or destroy them. They never told me which one.

Try to find a dark skinned person with my story.

I've heard the same thing from black fellow soldiers back in the day. From personal experience, I wouldn't know, I never used illegal drugs.

 

[d0gbreath]

I've heard the same thing from black fellow soldiers back in the day. From personal experience, I wouldn't know, I never used illegal drugs.

Were those meet and greets with LEOs, or MPs?

Actually it was just weed, maybe some bennies one time with the weed. No capital crime.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Were those meet and greets with LEOs, or MPs?

Actually it was just weed, maybe some bennies one time with the weed. No capital crime.

LEOs, drug possession by soldiers was a Courts Martial offense