We're all wrong. All have evil. All human.

[Anomalism]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

 

[Auld Phart]

water is wet.


(usually)

 

[sparky]

You're just.........ummhhh....errrr....figuring this out???...... ~S~

 

[Anomalism]

water is wet.


(usually)

Sometimes it's worth stating the obvious.

No?

 

[White 6]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

Sounds like the first step in standing for yourself and your values, as an Independent, throwing off the shackles of bondage to a party.

 

[Votto]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

Was the Nazi party evil?

 

[Correll]

Was the Nazi party evil?

Good point.

Understanding nuance and human..infalliblity, does NOT justify pretending that there is not real differences between sides or even "tribes".

And today, the dems/libs are ******* evil.

 

[JanetTheGreat]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

Oh yes. I am very flawed, I've screwed up and made tons of mistakes in the past. In the past I thought completely different things about reality then I do now, and I expect myself 5 years from now to think differently then I do now. For example in the past, I used to support Israel because I believed they were they civilized ones, I used to be a blind MAGA person who would die to defend the ground Trump walks on. Time has shown me the error of my previous ways, and now I refute the things I used to believe in years ago, because I was wrong about various subject matters.

 

[Anomalism]

Was the Nazi party evil?

I believe there's awfulness at either polarity.

 

[Correll]

I believe there's awfulness at either polarity.

Understanding nuance and "greyness" is not an excuse for failing to call out...clear and definable evil.

 

[Anomalism]

Understanding nuance and "greyness" is not an excuse for failing to call out...clear and definable evil.

I’m not excusing anything. The Nazis were horrific, that’s obvious. But recognizing that doesn’t require pretending evil only appears in one shape or in one era. That was my point. Evil isn’t a historical artifact that belonged exclusively to Germany in the 1940s. It’s a human capacity, and it shows up whenever people stop seeing their own potential for cruelty and project it entirely onto someone else.

Calling out the Nazis doesn’t cost anything.
Seeing the same impulses in ourselves and our political tribes is where the real work is.

 

[Correll]

I’m not excusing anything. The Nazis were horrific, that’s obvious. But recognizing that doesn’t require pretending evil only appears in one shape or in one era. That was my point. Evil isn’t a historical artifact that belonged exclusively to Germany in the 1940s. It’s a human capacity, and it shows up whenever people stop seeing their own potential for cruelty and project it entirely onto someone else.

Calling out the Nazis doesn’t cost anything.
Seeing the same impulses in ourselves and our political tribes is where the real work is.

NOTHING I said implied in any way that evil was exclusive to any of that.


The idea that maga is unable to admit that our tribe has faults or weaknesses, is a myth pused by our enemies that are trying to push the false narrative that maga is a cult instead of a political movement.


On the other hand, the lefty tribe is engaged in quite a bit of behavior that is clearly evil.

 

[Anomalism]

NOTHING I said implied in any way that evil was exclusive to any of that.


The idea that maga is unable to admit that our tribe has faults or weaknesses, is a myth pused by our enemies that are trying to push the false narrative that maga is a cult instead of a political movement.


On the other hand, the lefty tribe is engaged in quite a bit of behavior that is clearly evil.

I don't think maga is a cult. Just another group of head strong people. Just...humans.

 

[Correll]

I don't think maga is a cult. Just another group of head strong people. Just...humans.

Good.

 

[MarathonMike]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

I don't see our current divisive mess in quite that way. I don't think it boils down to personal introspection. IMO it boils down to where you believe the state of our media, government and country is right now and where you think it should be.

 

[Woodznutz]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

I don't believe most people even think about these things.

"Most people, upon stumbling over a profound truth, pick themselves up, dust themselves off, and continue on as if nothing had happened." -Unknown

 

[sartre play]

We’re all carrying some darkness, and politics has turned into a public ritual where everyone pretends they don’t. It’s a purification contest, a contest nobody can win, because the standard is fake and the contestants are human.

Everyone has selfish impulses.
Everyone has bias.
Everyone has tribal instincts.
Everyone has moments of pettiness, cruelty, fear, ego, and pride.
Everyone wants to feel righteous.

The difference isn’t between “good people” and “evil people.”
It’s between those who acknowledge their shadow and those who lie to themselves about it.

The people who deny their capacity for ugliness end up the most dangerous, because they start projecting their “sin” onto outgroups and calling it justice.

Political tribes don’t fight over policy.
They fight over who gets to keep the illusion of purity.

It’s why few can admit:

“My side is flawed.”
“My leaders screw up.”
“My tribe has blind spots.”
“I have biases too.”

Admitting those things breaks the spell.

So instead, we get this constant self-baptizing cycle where each tribe washes itself in selective memory and moral framing, pretending their side’s sins are “mistakes,” while the other side’s sins are “evil.”

Everyone’s human.
Everyone’s stained.
Everyone’s a mix of noble and selfish impulses.

The delusion is thinking any tribe, any ideology, scrubs that out.
It doesn’t. At best, it hides it. At worst, it sanctifies it.

The irony?

The people who acknowledge their own shadow are usually the most trustworthy, because they’re not pretending to be angels wrapped in the flags of their team.

We’re not in a battle between good and evil.
We’re in a battle between two groups pretending they’re not the same species.

wow!

 

[pal]

Was the Nazi party evil?

Zero sport Nazis wanted immigrants as victim especially armed Nazis.

Zero sport Nazis are as Nazi Germany.