You think high tech companies hire the uneducated and welfare queens? LOL, of course you do
Well well look who has the most high paying factory jobs..the south
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You think high tech companies hire the uneducated and welfare queens? LOL, of course you do
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Not those damned right-to-work states! Horrors! Say it isn't so...!
OK, you got me, come you little cutie, I'll rub your belly ...
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And in your little mind all these factory's are going to afford these? In like 20 years or so after Trump is long gone..
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I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.
Check this out...
Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.
By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.
Here, try this:
Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum
Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:
- Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
- Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
- State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
- Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.
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Check this one out:
GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee
The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.
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Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
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Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post
“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.
General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.
Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.
When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
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Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.
Wyatt earp
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Each FANUC robot has a base price but this price can vary. Some example are:
- Robot cost varies with the size of the robot and its attendant servo motors and controllers.
- Collaborative robots have many added features that make this a more expensive option
- Food grade robots and special environment robots have higher Ingress Protection (IP) ratings to protect them from environmental elements
List prices for FANUC’s most common robots vary from $25,000 for the simplest, least expensive M1iA, 4 axis “spider” robot with .5kg capacity to the M2000/1200 6 axis robot with 1200kg capacity topping out at over $400,000 list price.
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Wyatt earp
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I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.
Check this out...
Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.
By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.
Here, try this:
Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum
Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:
“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”
- Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
- Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
- State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
- Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.
-----------------------------
Check this one out:
GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee
The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.
----------------------------------
Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
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Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post
“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.
General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.
Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.
When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
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Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.
Of course we could of done it in the 1980s if cost was no object.. What happened at GM with its robots it cost to much to fix
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What do you think all these mid range company's have the capital to automate everything?
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rdean
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Funny, you post a picture of a robot that someone can afford now. And with artificial intelligence, these robots can be programmed to do just about anything.
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I went to this robotics trade show a couple of years ago. A friend of mine started an automation company in Los Angeles. He also became a "preferred vendor" for Disneyland. I designed his booth as a favor so he flew me out to the show to work the booth. He was the only company at the show that refurbished existing automated equipment. With new solenoids and actuators, and programming, he could take 60 cycles a minute and turn it into 120 cycles a minute. His company also designs new automation, not just fixes old.
So while I was there, I walked all around the enormous show. Check out the floor plan:
http://www.canontradeshows.com/expo/cms_anaheim/media/AS_ANA17_floorplan.pdf
I watched a robot play pick up sticks. A huge pile of these sticks and never saw a single one move except for the one being picked up. And so fast. There was a plate with holes and each stick was placed into a hole and when they were all gone, the plate with all the sticks turned over and the robot started all over again. 3d cameras were used so each individual movement didn't even have to be programmed. It still had to be programmed, but not like a CNC machine.
With such robots, you can do all kinds of things. And as the number of robots goes up, the cost goes down.
It's difficult to believe without actually looking at it and watching it happen. Humans simply can't compete with this level of speed and precision. And AI makes programming easier and easier.
Then there are 3d printers. They used to be just plastic. Now they are turning out metals.
3d printers made with automation from parts printed by another 3d printer. You can see it coming.
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If you are paying a worker to work for 8 hours at 50 grand a year, the robot can work 24 hours a day. That's 150 thousand dollars in one year and you won't be paying healthcare or unemployment insurance or profit sharing.
Wyatt earp
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I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.
Check this out...
Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.
By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.
Here, try this:
Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum
Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:
“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”
- Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
- Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
- State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
- Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.
-----------------------------
Check this one out:
GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee
The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.
----------------------------------
Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------
Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post
“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.
General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.
Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.
When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
---------------------------------------------
Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
Read your own thread out has nothing with Trump not being able to bring in manufacturing jobs that were outsourced... It all still take years for prices to come down and small manufacturing companies can still compete with labor..
Wyatt earp
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You got to come up with that 150k up front..
Damn you are not that smart..
You hire a worker for $500 bucks to run a machine.. Or pay 150k up front
Economics is not your strengths that's for sure
Wyatt earp
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3d printers are still slow as hell it takes days to make a part.. And the metals they can use has the tensile strength of a cracker.
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rdean
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Come on. I posted a video of a hand gun that worked, made with stainless steel parts that came from a 3d printer. Did you even bother to watch it? You think you can safely shoot bullets from a gun with the tensile strength of a cracker??????????????????????????
Wyatt earp
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It would last two shots and fall apart...
But they do make $250,000 dollar metal 3d printers that are the real deal.
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rdean
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Read the Denver Post link. Only 13% of the jobs under discussion moved overseas. The rest were automated. Get it?I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.
Check this out...
Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.
By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.
Here, try this:
Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum
Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:
“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”
- Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
- Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
- State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
- Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.
-----------------------------
Check this one out:
GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee
The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.
----------------------------------
Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------
Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post
“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.
General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.
Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.
When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
---------------------------------------------
Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
Read your own thread out has nothing with Trump not being able to bring in manufacturing jobs that were outsourced... It all still take years for prices to come down and small manufacturing companies can still compete with labor..
Even some of those 13% are being automated.
And if you have a company doing manufacturing and can't afford a $150,000 piece of equipment then they aren't doing manufacturing. They are doing assembly or service or something, but not manufacturing.
Wyatt earp
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They have like 3 different styles.. The powder metal which you have to hand fill the air pockets with bronze then cure in a dryer.
That's the one in your video
All the way up to the good ones that use a laser to melt the gold, titanium or whatever..
That's the one in your video
All the way up to the good ones that use a laser to melt the gold, titanium or whatever..
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rdean
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At the end of the video, they said they took it for a 500 round test.
Here is the second video.
3D Printed Metal Gun 500 Round Endurance Test
Wyatt earp
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Read the Denver Post link. Only 13% of the jobs under discussion moved overseas. The rest were automated. Get it?I can't believe you are trying to pass off an article from 14 years ago.
Check this out...
Fade To Black The 1980s vision of "lights-out" manufacturing, where robots do all the work, is a dream no more.
By Christopher Null and Brian Caulfield
June 1, 2003
(Business 2.0) – It's been two decades since Roger Smith explained how robots--so reliable they could bolt up a transmission in the dark--would make General Motors as efficient as its rivals in Japan. But Smith's infatuation with so-called lights-out manufacturing quickly went the way of the Chevy Chevette; GM couldn't get its machines to work properly, even with the lights on. The paint robots often wound up painting themselves.
Here, try this:
Chevrolet Corvette Plant Gets $439 Million in Upgrades – National Corvette Museum
Along with new tooling and robots, the paint shop’s state-of-the-art environmental and efficiency enhancements include:
“With this major technology investment, we can continue to exceed the expectations of sports car buyers for years to come,” said North American Manufacturing Manager Arvin Jones. “These types of investments are evidence that the customer is at the center of every decision we make.”
- Dry Scrubber Booth Technology with Limestone Handling System designed to eliminate sludge water and waste
- Light-emitting diode, or LED, lighting for process decks for improved visual inspection as well as energy savings
- State-of-the-art FANUC robots with Versa-bell 3 electrostatic applicators for an extremely smooth finish and maximum transfer efficiency, saving 25 percent of the paint material used, which also benefits the environment
- Longer, high-efficiency baking ovens for exceptional paint finish and lower energy use.
-----------------------------
Check this one out:
GM to Invest $148 Million in Engine Building in Tennessee
The Spring Hill plant, located 40 miles south of Nashville, employs approximately 2,400 people. The investment will retain the jobs of 200 of those workers, GM is saying.
----------------------------------
Wow, a whole 200 out of 2,400. Thanks automation.
----------------------------------
Lose your factory job? You have robots — not trade policy — to blame – The Denver Post
“We’re making more with fewer people,” says Howard Shatz, a senior economist at the Rand Corp. think tank.
General Motors, for instance, now employs barely a third of the 600,000 workers it had in the 1970s. Yet it churns out more cars and trucks than ever.
Since 1997, the United States has lost 265,000 jobs in the production of primary metals — a 42 percent plunge — at a time when such production in the U.S. has surged 38 percent.
When products are replaced or updated, robots can be reprogrammed far faster and more easily than people can be retrained.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
---------------------------------------------
Face it. Manufacturing is being automated. Even coal mining. If it's something people can do again and again, it can be automated.
Owning and operating a robotic spot welder cost an average $182,000 in 2005 and $133,000 in 2014 and will likely run $103,000 by 2025, Boston Consulting says. Robots will shrink labor costs 22 percent in the United States, 25 percent in Japan and 33 percent in South Korea, the firm estimates.
Read your own thread out has nothing with Trump not being able to bring in manufacturing jobs that were outsourced... It all still take years for prices to come down and small manufacturing companies can still compete with labor..
Even some of those 13% are being automated.
And if you have a company doing manufacturing and can't afford a $150,000 piece of equipment then they aren't doing manufacturing. They are doing assembly or service or something, but not manufacturing.
You don't know about injection molding..
Plastics..
The machines.$ 50,000 ~ a million
The molds $10,000 ~ a million
A piece
The support equipment... Dryers, grinders thermolators.. $30,000
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