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It's not fair, Romney pays less tax by percentage than his secretary does.A flat tax would only make the gap between the rich and the poor wider than it is today:We could implement a flat tax and employers could collect and send the taxes to the US government then we could slash the IRS down to a fraction of its size to deal with the smaller part of the population that is self employed or owns businesses.
What's Wrong With the American Tax System
"A flat, single rate of tax on all income has had some adherents, who emphasize its simplicity and argue that it would be fairer to charge all taxpayers the same rate.
"However, to raise the level of revenue required for government operations, it would be necessary to adopt a rate so high that the burden on lower-income taxpayers has been judged economically and politically unrealistic."
A flat tax is the only equitable tax.
and there is more than enough money if you get rid of all the deductions and convoluted tax laws.
in 2019 the total was were 18.6 trillion the revenue from income tax was 1.9 trillion a flat tax of 9.6% would have brought in the same revenue. And there would be savings from reducing the size of the IRS and getting rid of the expense of issuing refunds every year.
So your contention that a flat tax would have to be extremely high is wrong.
Your link:No, I have noticed that....it might be working out for the few....the Govt....but the people aren't free and there is massive human rights issues there.....
China
Amnesty International works to stop China human rights violations. You can help end China human rights abuses.www.amnestyusa.org
hahaha yeah a private bank is committing widespread human rights violations and cracking down on dissent.....geezYour link:No, I have noticed that....it might be working out for the few....the Govt....but the people aren't free and there is massive human rights issues there.....
China
Amnesty International works to stop China human rights violations. You can help end China human rights abuses.
"Amnesty International has documented widespread human rights violations in China that were marked by a systematic crackdown on dissent.
"The justice system remained plagued by unfair trials and torture and other ill-treatment in detention. China still classified information on its extensive use of the death penalty as a state secret."
China is a one party authoritarian state with rampant human rights violations, but that doesn't change the fact their version of state capitalism is far more efficient than the US edition where private bankers on Wall Street command the economic heights.
Not sure of the percentages, and yes not all are guilty of course, but the guilty are out there, and yes they are guilty.This is true, but the question also is this, do employers understand the geographical structure of the community in which it finds to operate in, and in this understanding can there be found the urges or tendencies (by some companies), to exploit the strained and hungry labor forces, otherwise knowing that they are just desperate enough to capitulate, and then obey to the point of becoming almost slaves to the system if the much needed competition in the area is few and far between ????No one's labor is exploited.That's true since there is no legal prohibition preventing a worker from becoming an owner or shareholder. Ethical inhibitions from becoming rich by exploiting the labor of others present other problems.Completely incorrect. Certainly under Capitalism, we have owners, and employees, but under Capitalism, there are no barriers to become an owner. An employee can become an owner, they can own their own property, and the fruits of their labor.
Every employee enters an employment contract by choice for an agreed upon wage.
If an employee is dissatisfied with the arrangement between him and his employer he can terminate that agreement at any time.
What about when the illegals were being worked in direct competition with Americans, and then they were winning out because they were illegal and cheap ??
Alot of bad things have went on in the past, and it's not so easily forgotten about.
I don't live in the past. And FWIW I think any business that hires illegals should be made to pay exorbitant fines.
And I'd like to know what percentage of businesses you think are guilty of the scenario you described.
Surely assuming all or most businesses do is incorrect
and if it's a negligible percentage it's irrelevantNot sure of the percentages, and yes not all are guilty of course, but the guilty are out there, and yes they are guilty.This is true, but the question also is this, do employers understand the geographical structure of the community in which it finds to operate in, and in this understanding can there be found the urges or tendencies (by some companies), to exploit the strained and hungry labor forces, otherwise knowing that they are just desperate enough to capitulate, and then obey to the point of becoming almost slaves to the system if the much needed competition in the area is few and far between ????No one's labor is exploited.That's true since there is no legal prohibition preventing a worker from becoming an owner or shareholder. Ethical inhibitions from becoming rich by exploiting the labor of others present other problems.Completely incorrect. Certainly under Capitalism, we have owners, and employees, but under Capitalism, there are no barriers to become an owner. An employee can become an owner, they can own their own property, and the fruits of their labor.
Every employee enters an employment contract by choice for an agreed upon wage.
If an employee is dissatisfied with the arrangement between him and his employer he can terminate that agreement at any time.
What about when the illegals were being worked in direct competition with Americans, and then they were winning out because they were illegal and cheap ??
Alot of bad things have went on in the past, and it's not so easily forgotten about.
I don't live in the past. And FWIW I think any business that hires illegals should be made to pay exorbitant fines.
And I'd like to know what percentage of businesses you think are guilty of the scenario you described.
Surely assuming all or most businesses do is incorrect
It's not fair, Romney pays less tax by percentage than his secretary does.A flat tax would only make the gap between the rich and the poor wider than it is today:We could implement a flat tax and employers could collect and send the taxes to the US government then we could slash the IRS down to a fraction of its size to deal with the smaller part of the population that is self employed or owns businesses.
What's Wrong With the American Tax System
"A flat, single rate of tax on all income has had some adherents, who emphasize its simplicity and argue that it would be fairer to charge all taxpayers the same rate.
"However, to raise the level of revenue required for government operations, it would be necessary to adopt a rate so high that the burden on lower-income taxpayers has been judged economically and politically unrealistic."
A flat tax is the only equitable tax.
and there is more than enough money if you get rid of all the deductions and convoluted tax laws.
in 2019 the total was were 18.6 trillion the revenue from income tax was 1.9 trillion a flat tax of 9.6% would have brought in the same revenue. And there would be savings from reducing the size of the IRS and getting rid of the expense of issuing refunds every year.
So your contention that a flat tax would have to be extremely high is wrong.
and
Clearly making everyone pay a flat tax would be a huge boon to the rich and is regressive.
I see both those thoughts expressed by the same people all the time and yet they are 100 percent contradictory.
They do all the work and he makes all the profits!!
Buffet's employees don't really produce anything they just keep his recordsHoly Fuck! Warren Buffett worth over $100 Billion!!!! Are any of his workers worth even half of that???
They do all the work and he makes all the profits!!
Warren Buffett Becomes Sixth Member Of $100B Wealth Club
I think the control of a state by any large interest group requires corruption, and I don't think any version of capitalism can exist without massive private corruption.If you don't like the American system's corruption, the last place you should admire is China, because it's basically what would happen here if we took corporatism even further but had a dictator controlling everything at the top.
By definition treating everyone exactly the same is fairness.
House flippers uniteThey suck the wealth that rightfully belongs to the Proletariat! We need Socialist Progressive Leaders to right this abortion!!
How does one win the game of "Monopoly"?Most people think of it as a system where the wealth of one person can't go up without diminishing the wealth of another
It's a form of systemic fraud and capitalism can't exist without it.Being deceived by misleading and deceptive contracts is never voluntary. It's fraud.
It's a form of systemic fraud and capitalism can't exist without it.Being deceived by misleading and deceptive contracts is never voluntary. It's fraud.
How does one win the game of "Monopoly"?Most people think of it as a system where the wealth of one person can't go up without diminishing the wealth of another
In real life the other players have jobs and opportunity just like the lead player, but maybe not as fortunate. So they end up relying a little on the big guy, and if the big guy happens to be a good guy, then everybody wins. Although at different levels maybe, but everybody wins as long as the players are good. If get a bad player, then yes his or her whole goal is to bankrupt and destroy the other players, and take it all for his or herself.How does one win the game of "Monopoly"?Most people think of it as a system where the wealth of one person can't go up without diminishing the wealth of another
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THE PAINFUL TRUTH: CAPITALISM IS A ZERO-SUM GAME
"To win the game of Monopoly, a player must buy up all the properties, purchase all the hotels, and accumulate all the money, stocks, and bonds.
"Durand continues: 'You win by bankrupting the other players, forcing them to pay rent every time they land on your property. You win by driving them into destitution so they can no longer continue to play.'"
Amazon offered hourly employees one share of stock per year of employment with one additional share available after five years in the past. It's possible a $15 an hour starting wage will eliminate that policy?Does Amazon have a profit sharing program ?? And if so, does it drop below management levels ???
I never said it was not fair. I said the two thoughts I see posted by the same people here are contradictory.It's not fair, Romney pays less tax by percentage than his secretary does.A flat tax would only make the gap between the rich and the poor wider than it is today:We could implement a flat tax and employers could collect and send the taxes to the US government then we could slash the IRS down to a fraction of its size to deal with the smaller part of the population that is self employed or owns businesses.
What's Wrong With the American Tax System
"A flat, single rate of tax on all income has had some adherents, who emphasize its simplicity and argue that it would be fairer to charge all taxpayers the same rate.
"However, to raise the level of revenue required for government operations, it would be necessary to adopt a rate so high that the burden on lower-income taxpayers has been judged economically and politically unrealistic."
A flat tax is the only equitable tax.
and there is more than enough money if you get rid of all the deductions and convoluted tax laws.
in 2019 the total was were 18.6 trillion the revenue from income tax was 1.9 trillion a flat tax of 9.6% would have brought in the same revenue. And there would be savings from reducing the size of the IRS and getting rid of the expense of issuing refunds every year.
So your contention that a flat tax would have to be extremely high is wrong.
and
Clearly making everyone pay a flat tax would be a huge boon to the rich and is regressive.
I see both those thoughts expressed by the same people all the time and yet they are 100 percent contradictory.
so it's not fair that people pay the same percentage?
If there was a flat tax Romney would pay the same percentage not a lower percentage than his secretary
By definition treating everyone exactly the same is fairness.
A flat tax of just 9.6% would have brought in the exact same revenue as the monstrous convoluted tax system we have now and it has the added benefit of reducing government bureaucracy and saving money. If you don't like then then there is always a national sales tax instead of an income tax
Not sure.Amazon offered hourly employees one share of stock per year of employment with one additional share available after five years in the past. It's possible a $15 an hour starting wage will eliminate that policy?Does Amazon have a profit sharing program ?? And if so, does it drop below management levels ???
