We need to have a forum of deaths used by firearms!

[2aguy]

The firearm in the context of mass or singular homicides are done by a tool developed to kill or maim humanity. Using a hammer, knife, baseball bat, hands or feet etc. are done in close proximity to the victim. Guns used in murder done are done by cowards.

One estimate puts the lives saved by guns at 176,000…….

 

[2aguy]

Trump uses Monterey Park mass shooting to defend Jan. 6 rioters

The former president has previously pledged to pardon January 6 participants if he's reelected in 2024.

www.newsweek.com

Every day a human being is destroyed by death or wounded by a firearm: Murder, Accident or Suicide. The Bill of Right's Second Amendment's phrase "shall not be infringed" is the excuse that those who believe is forbidden to deny the sale or other means to own, possess and have in their possession a handgun or long gun; especially those semi-automatic and fully automatic firearms made exclusively for killing human beings.

The callous members of our population lack empathy and don't care for the mass killing of men, women and children; an example of uncivilized "thinking"; yet the same people are opposed to abortions - an example of hypocrisy and greed since the sale of guns and ammunition is readily available for everyone to purchase.

There are many posts on the 2nd A. forum and not one which tallies the number of human beings shot to death, or wounded and hospitalized everyday - many maimed for life.

The cost to taxpayers for murders is enormous:

Every Murder Costs Taxpayers Millions of Dollars—and That’s on Top of the Tragic Human Cost.

Fortunately, sustained investment in community-based violence intervention programs can save lives while also reducing taxpayer burden.

giffords.org

The cost to taxpayers for murders is enormous:


The savings made by armed citizens stopping violent criminals from committing rape, robbery, murder, beatings, stabbings, kidnappings and mass public shootings is far more than the cost to the government who is largely responsible for releasing these violent criminals over and over again....


600 million guns in private hands......over 22.01 million Americans can carry guns legally in public for self defense.........



Concealed Carry Permit Holders Across the United States: 2022



American use those legal guns 1.2 million times a year to stop rapes, stabbings, beatings, robberies, and murders, as well as also stopping mass public shootings when they are allowed to have their legal guns with them...



Gun deaths...the truth....





Of the gun murder deaths....over 70-80% of the victims are not regular Americans....they are criminals...murdered by other criminals in primarily democrat party controlled cities....where the democrat party judges, prosecutors and politicians have released them over and over again no matter how many times they are arrested for felony, illegal gun possession and violent crimes with guns...that's on you and your political party...not normal gun owners.





Lives saved....based on research? By law abiding gun owners using guns to stop criminals?



Case Closed: Kleck Is Still Correct





that makes for at least 176,000 lives saved—



Money saved from people not being beaten, raped, murdered, robbed?.......





So figuring that the average DGU saves one half of a person’s life—as “gun violence” predominantly affects younger demographics—that gives us $3.465 million per half life.

Putting this all together, we find that the monetary benefit of guns (by way of DGUs) is roughly $1.02 trillion per year. That’s trillion. With a ‘T’.

I was going to go on and calculate the costs of incarceration ($50K/year) saved by people killing 1527 criminals annually, and then look at the lifetime cost to society of an average criminal (something in excess of $1 million). But all of that would be a drop in the bucket compared to the $1,000,000,000,000 ($1T) annual benefit of gun ownership.

When compared to the (inflation adjusted from 2002) $127.5 billion ‘cost’ of gun violence calculated by by our Ludwig-Cook buddies, guns save a little more than eight times what they “cost.”

Which, I might add, is completely irrelevant since “the freedom to own and carry the weapon of your choice is a natural, fundamental, and inalienable human, individual, civil, and Constitutional right — subject neither to the democratic process nor to arguments grounded in social utility.”

So even taking Motherboard’s own total and multiplying it by 100, the benefits to society of civilian gun ownership dwarf the associated costs.


Annual Defensive Gun Use Savings Dwarf Study's "Gun Violence" Costs - The Truth About Guns



A quick guide to the studies and the numbers.....the full lay out of what was studied by each study is in the links....

The name of the group doing the study, the year of the study, the number of defensive gun uses and if police and military defensive gun uses are included.....notice the bill clinton and obama defensive gun use research is highlighted.....

GunCite-Gun Control-How Often Are Guns Used in Self-Defense

GunCite Frequency of Defensive Gun Use in Previous Surveys

Field...1976....3,052,717 ( no cops, no military)

DMIa 1978...2,141,512 ( no cops, no military)

L.A. TIMES...1994...3,609,68 ( no cops, no military)

Kleck......1994...2.5 million ( no cops, no military)




2021 national firearm survey, Prof. William English, PhD. designed by Deborah Azrael of Harvard T. Chan School of public policy, and Mathew Miller, Northeastern university.......1.67 million defensive uses annually.

CDC...1996-1998... 1.1 million averaged over those years.( no cops, no military)

Obama's CDC....2013....500,000--3million

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Bordua...1977...1,414,544

DMIb...1978...1,098,409 ( no cops, no military)

Hart...1981...1.797,461 ( no cops, no military)

Mauser...1990...1,487,342 ( no cops,no military)

Gallup...1993...1,621,377 ( no cops, no military)

DEPT. OF JUSTICE...1994...1.5 million ( the bill clinton study)

Journal of Quantitative Criminology--- 989,883 times per year."

(Based on survey data from a 2000 study published in the Journal of Quantitative Criminology,[17] U.S. civilians use guns to defend themselves and others from crime at least 989,883 times per year.[18])

Paper: "Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment." By David McDowall and others. Journal of Quantitative Criminology, March 2000. Measuring Civilian Defensive Firearm Use: A Methodological Experiment - Springer


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Ohio...1982...771,043

Gallup...1991...777,152

Tarrance... 1994... 764,036 (no cops, no military)

Lawerence Southwich Jr. 400,000 fewer violent crimes and at least 800,000 violent crimes deterred..

2021 national firearms survey..

The survey was designed by Deborah Azrael of the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health, and Matthew Miller of Northeastern University,
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The survey further finds that approximately a third of gun owners (31.1%) have used a firearm to defend themselves or their property, often on more than one occasion, and it estimates that guns are used defensively by firearms owners in approximately 1.67 million incidents per year. Handguns are the most common firearm employed for self-defense (used in 65.9% of defensive incidents), and in most defensive incidents (81.9%) no shot was fired. Approximately a quarter (25.2%) of defensive incidents occurred within the gun owner's home, and approximately half (53.9%) occurred outside their home, but on their property. About one out of ten (9.1%) defensive gun uses occurred in public, and about one out of twenty (4.8%) occurred at work.
2021 National Firearms Survey

 

[Harry Dresden]

Why are you arguing with a poorly programmed chatbot?

because he reads the responses to what he puts up...he is just to stupid to defend his bullshit...

 

[westwall]

A diverse population can work in other countries but may not work in America due to the original situation that was created after your civil war, of not accepting equality for the black slaves.

The answer isn't in acceptance of black people as equals. It's more likely that the Chauvin solution will be relied upon in the future. There's little doubt that it's being made clear that most Americans on this board think so and are in favour of that form of justice..

Show us any other country on Earth that has a similar population mix as the USA.

 

[cnm]

One must remember that America has a divided constituency as well as a high percentage of illegal aliens. [...]

Also, it makes the best excuses...

 

[cnm]

Show us any other country on Earth that has a similar population mix as the USA.

See? If it's not that it'll be it's too large, or too rich or too something else.
Anything to avoid dealing with the issue.

 

[westwall]

See? If it's not that it'll be it's too large, or too rich or too something else.
Anything to avoid dealing with the issue.

Yeah....YOU are avoiding the issue.

We have an ILLEGAL ALIEN population that is larger than the entire population of many European countries.

And you try and compare us to them.

Which makes you a moron.

 

[cnm]

We have an ILLEGAL ALIEN population that is larger than the entire population of many European countries.

See? 2A nutters do make the best excuses.

 

[fncceo]

very day a human being is destroyed by death or wounded by a firearm

Or by automobile, household accident, drug overdose, or falling.

Can we get a forum for each of them?

 

[westwall]

See? 2A nutters do make the best excuses.

See, socialist morons DO make the most absurd comparisons!

 

[Blues Man]

The firearm in the context of mass or singular homicides are done by a tool developed to kill or maim humanity. Using a hammer, knife, baseball bat, hands or feet etc. are done in close proximity to the victim. Guns used in murder 1 are done by cowards.

Firearms are designed to fore a projectile at a target what that target will be is 100% the decision of a human being

 

[cnm]

See, socialist morons DO make the most absurd comparisons!

See, firearms control is SOSHIALISM!!!

EEEEEK!!!

 

[cnm]

Firearms are designed to fore a projectile at a target what that target will be is 100% the decision of a human being

Just like bows and arrows.

 

[cnm]

You guys have never grown up. You still want to be a cowboy.

 

[Blues Man]

Just like bows and arrows.

And you point is what? That a bow and arrow can kill things all by itself?

 

[Blues Man]

You guys have never grown up. You still want to be a cowboy.

FYI Most Americans have never seen a cowboy except for in the movies or on TV. No one wants to be a cowboy anymore.

 

[miketx]

You guys have never grown up. You still want to be a cowboy.

And you still want to eat drink and be Mary.

 

[cnm]

And you point is what? That a bow and arrow can kill things all by itself?

That according to your logic there is no difference between a bow and arrow and a repeating firearm because both require conscious effort.

You 2A nutters are ludicrous in your pretzel logic.

 

[cnm]

FYI Most Americans have never seen a cowboy except for in the movies or on TV.

Sure. That's why so many on here have MaryAnne Morrison as an Avatar.

 

[Blues Man]

That according to your logic there is no difference between a bow and arrow and a repeating firearm because both require conscious effort.

You 2A nutters are ludicrous in your pretzel logic.

Only gun control freaks think anyone who wants to own a firearm is a nut