We Are "Chasing Our Tail" Trying to Save Glaciers, and Earth

[JBG]

See Some Glaciers Will Vanish No Matter What, Study Finds (link) (no paywall, gift article)

Excerpts below

Regardless of climate mitigation strategies, the world’s glaciers are on track to shrink significantly over hundreds of years, according to a new study published on Thursday. They’re locked in to losing ice.
Even if global temperatures stayed where they are today for the next thousand years, essentially an impossibility, glaciers outside of ice sheets would lose roughly one-third of their mass, researchers estimated.

The New York Times is hardly a right-wing publication. Even it concedes that the expensive windmills, heat pumps and intermittent power from wind and solar will not do much. They advocate punishing the middle class by taking away car ownership, and to no effect. heir disguised interest is in de-industrialization and degrowth. The operative term for "climate activists" really want is "degrowth." See Degrowth or Economic Punishment for Affluence:

1. Link - What is degrowth?
2. Link - Degrowth – what's behind the economic theory and why does it matter right now?
3. Link - Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help

Frankly it's a recipe for dystopia. Solutions to the use of fossil fuels that would alleviate the need for constriction are off the table. An example is nuclear power. Governor Cuomo forced the shutdown of Indian Point based purely on ideology. Europe has been busily closing its nuclear plants.

As to fossil fuels not all are created equal. Coal is worse than oil. Oil is worse than natural gas. New York Governor Hochul and former Governor Cuomo have barred fracking in New York, and blocked the flow of fracked gas through pipelines.

See also other articles listed above. All have one real enemy in mind; capitalism and freedom. This is a recipe for dystopia.

During the 1970's a belief developed that our consumption-based society was unsustainable. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. This was foreshadowed by other authors and thinkers, such as Travels with Charley: In Search of America by John Steinbeck. In Travels Steinbeck rails against conspicuous consumption and other signs of affluence. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). Still, the "intellectual" movement was largely ineffectual in changing anything. Thus, an emergency had to be conjured where we were doomed if we did not take "action," however futile. See also Stunning admission from Kamala: "Gone is the day of everyone thinking they could actually live the American dream." The "Green New Deal" is no more American dream; unless it's a dystopian world of everyone locked into their houses, and consuming what the "government" can provide.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Antarctica just gained 100B tons of ice, even with record Chinese CO2 output.

No sane, rational person believes that manmade CO2 is a "threat" to the planet

 

[Donald H]

Denialism, right or wrong, will not be put to a democratic vote by the American people.

A one party system can always make important decisions faster and more efficiently than a two-party democracy.

China is proof in the making, as they demonstrate that socially responsible government is possible at the same time too!

 

[Mack The Finger]

The only good about global waring is it keep LIBs occupied !

 

[trevorjohnson83]

Yes, Antarctica experienced a temporary ice gain from 2023 to early 2025, marking a reversal from the long-term trend of ice loss. Between 2021 and 2023, the Antarctic Ice Sheet gained approximately 108 gigatons of ice per year, largely due to increased snowfall driven by anomalous atmospheric conditions. This uptick in precipitation helped offset ice loss from melting and calving, contributing to a slight reduction in global sea level rise during this period .

 

[Sunsettommy]

Here is a neat set of charts for those who get spooked by media liars,

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Alarmists keep posting scary-looking graphs of the loss of polar ice, like this one of Antarctica.

Or this one, from Greenland.

Those look totally frightening and emergency-like … until you realize that they ignore the reality of just how much ice there is in those locations. Here are the corresponding changes in total ice mass for the two locations.

You can look up the official Sea Ice data at IMBIE LINK

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

See Some Glaciers Will Vanish No Matter What, Study Finds (link) (no paywall, gift article)
advocate punishing the middle class by taking away car ownership, and to no effect. heir disguised interest is in de-industrialization and degrowth. The operative term for "climate activists" really want is "degrowth." See Degrowth or Economic Punishment for Affluence:

1. Link - What is degrowth?
2. Link - Degrowth – what's behind the economic theory and why does it matter right now?
3. Link - Degrowth can work — here’s how science can help

Frankly it's a recipe for dystopia. Solutions to the use of fossil fuels that would alleviate the need for constriction are off the table. An example is nuclear power. Governor Cuomo forced the shutdown of Indian Point based purely on ideology. Europe has been busily closing its nuclear plants.

As to fossil fuels not all are created equal. Coal is worse than oil. Oil is worse than natural gas. New York Governor Hochul and former Governor Cuomo have barred fracking in New York, and blocked the flow of fracked gas through pipelines.

See also other articles listed above. All have one real enemy in mind; capitalism and freedom. This is a recipe for dystopia.

During the 1970's a belief developed that our consumption-based society was unsustainable. This philosophy of life was expressed in the U.S. via books such as the 1950's classic by John Kenneth Galbraith, The Affluent Society. There was also the Club of Rome report, written over a period between 1968 and 1972, affiliated with MIT (link). Still, the "intellectual" movement was largely ineffectual

Hereditary Ownership Contradicts and Cripples Capitalism

It fits the RichKid Reich's slogan: "We got ours, and we're not going to let you get yours."

 

[JBG]

Hereditary Ownership Contradicts and Cripples Capitalism

It fits the RichKid Reich's slogan: "We got ours, and we're not going to let you get yours."

I have no idea what you mean.

 

[ding]

Denialism, right or wrong, will not be put to a democratic vote by the American people.

A one party system can always make important decisions faster and more efficiently than a two-party democracy.

China is proof in the making, as they demonstrate that socially responsible government is possible at the same time too!

Are you seriously pimping China as a role model?

 

[initforme]

Denialism, right or wrong, will not be put to a democratic vote by the American people.

A one party system can always make important decisions faster and more efficiently than a two-party democracy.

China is proof in the making, as they demonstrate that socially responsible government is possible at the same time too!

One party systems? Laughable.

 

[fncceo]

Some Glaciers Will Vanish No Matter What

Vanishing glaciers has been a very good thing for human civilization

 

[Dekster]

Glaciers caused the American civil war. Because the shrinking glaciers didn't carve out any natural ports there the South had no choice but to be an agrarian labor-intensive economy.

 

[JBG]

Glaciers caused the American civil war. Because the shrinking glaciers didn't carve out any natural ports there the South had no choice but to be an agrarian labor-intensive economy.

Charleston? New Orleans? Galveston? Hampton Bays?

 

[Dekster]

Charleston? New Orleans? Galveston? Hampton Bays?

Hampton Bay is in New York which isn't the south, and Charleston's port was not considered a first class naval yard until after the federal government got involved in the early 1900's and began dredging the harbor. Likewise, New Orleans was more of strategic importance than commercially viable because the northerners were not interested in building competition to their ports. Charleston was considered the last port before California--again once the government got involved during WWI. The glacier retreats and rising ocean levels didn't carve out any natural deep water coastal areas in the south. The federal government spends a ton of money on southern ports.

 

[JBG]

Hampton Bay is in New York which isn't the south, and Charleston's port was not considered a first class naval yard until after the federal government got involved in the early 1900's and began dredging the harbor. Likewise, New Orleans was more of strategic importance than commercially viable because the northerners were not interested in building competition to their ports. Charleston was considered the last port before California--again once the government got involved during WWI. The glacier retreats and rising ocean levels didn't carve out any natural deep water coastal areas in the south. The federal government spends a ton of money on southern ports.

See Raising the Hunley: The Remarkable History and Recovery of the Lost Confederate Submarine by Brian Hicks,
Schuyler Kropf to the contrary about Charleston. I meant Hampton Roads, Virginia. Typo, my bad.