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Third, Germans and Italians were locked up,...
A tiny fraction relative to their percentage of the population when compared to what the fucking racist scumbag fdr did on the West Coast.
 

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And there you go being ignorant and dishonest again. Those detention centers that obama set up are not concentration camps. The last concentration camps in the US were those of the scumbag fdr.
You mean the dentention camps for non-citizens during wartime?

But, yeah, pretend what Trump did was okay.

Uh oh...that's some of that history that Comrade Joe doesn't agree with.
Actually, we did the right thing there. We paid the people who were in those camps reparations.

So why not do that with the descendants of slaves, who were much more badly treated?

There's a man in the house and he's not married to the mother. And the Democrats think that's okay. The lady never has his real ID to press charges, and he gets a tip-off from his buddies to leave town before the cops show up to her call. The rape kits? The authorities can't tell Average Joe Sixpack from Adam with a DNA rape kit, even to this day --- there's a backlog, and they're all unexamined after all --- the prosecutors were just trying to impress the jury with a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo and big Latin words. The cops abused themselves of parallel construction in rape cases, and the locker-room funk was a fraud from day one.
Wow, that was a lot of gibberish?
The problem with your point is that the people incarcerated in the "relocation camps" weren't just enemy aliens. That would have been not only legal. but an accepted practice. A large percentage of the "internees" were US citizens knowingly confined solely due to their race. You didn't see FDR incarcerating Italian and German residents. let alone their citizen descendants.
 

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And there you go being ignorant and dishonest again. Those detention centers that obama set up are not concentration camps. The last concentration camps in the US were those of the scumbag fdr.
You mean the dentention camps for non-citizens during wartime?

But, yeah, pretend what Trump did was okay.

Uh oh...that's some of that history that Comrade Joe doesn't agree with.
Actually, we did the right thing there. We paid the people who were in those camps reparations.

So why not do that with the descendants of slaves, who were much more badly treated?

There's a man in the house and he's not married to the mother. And the Democrats think that's okay. The lady never has his real ID to press charges, and he gets a tip-off from his buddies to leave town before the cops show up to her call. The rape kits? The authorities can't tell Average Joe Sixpack from Adam with a DNA rape kit, even to this day --- there's a backlog, and they're all unexamined after all --- the prosecutors were just trying to impress the jury with a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo and big Latin words. The cops abused themselves of parallel construction in rape cases, and the locker-room funk was a fraud from day one.
Wow, that was a lot of gibberish?
We paid the VICTIMS of the illegal incarceration reparations, not their fifth generation DESCENDANTS.
 

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A tiny fraction relative to their percentage of the population when compared to what the fucking racist scumbag fdr did on the West Coast.
10,000 Italians
20,000 Germans
100,000 Japanese.

Actually, sounds pretty balanced.
You suck at math, idiot. You suck even worse at history, and you are a complete failure as an American.
 

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What the hell are you talking about?
That we had an an enemy who had just wiped out most of our fleet and 100,000 people of questionable loyalty in a potential war zone.

Um, yeah, Order 9066 might offend our modern sensibilities, but at the time, everyone agreed it was a good idea.
Hawaii was much more of a war zone than the West Coast, and not a single Japanese national or Japanese-American was locked up there. Your statement doesn't hold water.
 

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And there you go being ignorant and dishonest again. Those detention centers that obama set up are not concentration camps. The last concentration camps in the US were those of the scumbag fdr.
You mean the dentention camps for non-citizens during wartime?

But, yeah, pretend what Trump did was okay.

Uh oh...that's some of that history that Comrade Joe doesn't agree with.
Actually, we did the right thing there. We paid the people who were in those camps reparations.

So why not do that with the descendants of slaves, who were much more badly treated?

There's a man in the house and he's not married to the mother. And the Democrats think that's okay. The lady never has his real ID to press charges, and he gets a tip-off from his buddies to leave town before the cops show up to her call. The rape kits? The authorities can't tell Average Joe Sixpack from Adam with a DNA rape kit, even to this day --- there's a backlog, and they're all unexamined after all --- the prosecutors were just trying to impress the jury with a bunch of scientific mumbo-jumbo and big Latin words. The cops abused themselves of parallel construction in rape cases, and the locker-room funk was a fraud from day one.
Wow, that was a lot of gibberish?
The problem with your point is that the people incarcerated in the "relocation camps" weren't just enemy aliens. That would have been not only legal. but an accepted practice. A large percentage of the "internees" were US citizens knowingly confined solely due to their race. You didn't see FDR incarcerating Italian and German residents. let alone their citizen descendants.
The majority were US citizens. NONE were "enemy" aliens. The handful who had been suspected of that had been scooped up by the FBI well before fdr built his concentration camps.
 

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Never existed, and certainly had nothing to do even in theory with the innocent, loyal, AMERICAN CITIZENS in fdr's concentration camps.
Didn't it? Frankly, if the Battle of Midway had gone the other way, there would have been nothing between the Japanese and the west coast.

So you have 100,000 people who think Hirohito was a fucking God on one side and the Yamato with her 18 inch guns on the other.

I'm sure that would have gone well.
Do you know anything at all about WWII? The Japanese didn't have the capacity to invade the west coast. They barely had the capacity to invade Midway, a barren sandspit in the middle of nowhere. Among the things the Japanese lacked for an invasion were 1) troops, 2) sealift, 3) supplies, 4) naval strength to support an invasion 5) escorts for not only the invasion convoys but the far more important and vulnerable supply convoys. 6) air power to defend the landings.
 

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Really. Glance at a map once in a while.
I have. In 1942, we had a lot of ocean, and the US only had five aircraft carriers to defend it all. After Coral Sea and the loss of USS Lexington, and the Saratoga was in drydock because of a torpedo hit. That just left Enterprise, Yorktown and Hornet to defend Midway. The Wasp was off doing, something, I guess.

So imagine what would have happened if at Midway, instead of four Japanese Carriers going to the bottom, it was three American carriers.... We'd have been well and screwed. We'd have lost Hawaii and nothing but water between that and California.

Again, today we know the Japanese were already stretched to their limits, but the people at the time didn't know that. Axis victory was a real possibility, and the last thing you wanted was 100,000 potential collaborators in a war zone, because that would have been stupid.
Saratoga arrived at Pearl June 6th and Wasp arrived at San Diego June 19th. Ranger could have arrived at nearly the same time in an emergency. The four Sangamon class CVEs were commissioned within three months of Midway and were just as capable as the Junyo/Hiyo except for speed. Each pair was the equivalent of a Yorktown in operational terms. Essex commissioned in December 1942 and very probably could have been in service a couple of months earlier in an emergency. The USN could have had at least six smaller Bogue Class CVEs on the West Coast by September, more if it seized the ones planned for the RN under Lend Lease. Plus there were literally hundreds of land based fighters and more hundreds of land based bombers on the West Coast and far more on the East Coast and in the Mid West that could easily join in a West coast battle. The US would have been far from defenseless even if it had lost all three carriers at Midway which is very unlikely. Yorktown Class carriers were very tough to sink and the yards at Pearl were only a thousand miles away.
 

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The battleships all lined up in a shallow harbor?
Which nobody thought could be attacked because torpedoes couldn't operate in shallow water. Again, the Japanese destroyed most of the conventional thinking in the Pearl Harbor Attack.

Anyone less stupid than you could see back then that there was no way Japan could occupy and hold the United States. They had maps back then too, you know. It was not Japan's goal to conquer and occupy the United States.
They didn't have to "hold" the United States. But could they have landed troops on the west coast and caused trouble? Um. yeah.

Again- Japanese strategy was NEVER to defeat the US. It was to drag the war out long enough to where the US would sue for peace because they were sick of war. It was pretty much the same playbook they had used against Russia in 1905. What they hadn't counted on was how angry American were after Pearl Harbor.
Again you show your ignorance of the facts of WWII. The British crushed the Italian battle line at Taranto under very similar circumstances thirteen months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. The capability was there. just no one thought the Japanese would take the risk of such a deep strike.
 

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"Plenty"? Enough to transport more personnel than the entire population of the nation across the world's largest ocean, conquer an utterly intractable people, establish and maintain a supply line across said ocean, and maintain effective command and control while heavily armed locals pop up from behind every blade of grass every minute of every day, with an endless supply of more swarming from halfway across a continent many, many times the size of the 'occupying' nation? You're a fucking moron.
So many things wrong with that statement.

The first being the NRA myth that there were guns behind every blade of grass. Yamamoto never said this, and we didn't have all that many guns in 1942. In fact, when the US started mobilizing before the war, troops had to practice with broomsticks because there weren't enough rifles to go around yet. The US was woefully unprepared for WWII, and we were giving most of what we were producing to the British.

1940's America was not the NRA inspired hellscape of today where we have to send little Timmy to school with a bullet proof backpack because one of his classmates might come in shooting.

If fact, the Japanese had already landed in the Aleutians, although that was a diversion to draw attention away from Midway, their real target.

Was an invasion "unlikely"? Yes. But a lot of "unlikely" things had already happened in this war. You have to plan for the Unlikely.
Again you show your ignorance about the facts. The Japanese invaded Kiska on June 6th (the last day of the Midway battle) and Attu on June 7th. So no, they didn't INVADE as a distraction. The carrier raid in Dutch Harbor was on the 3rd and was intended to attract any carriers not at Pearl.

While most city dwellers didn't have guns, a large percentage of Americans (especially those on the West Coast and in the western states) did have guns and used them often. Those were they days when schools had marksmanship clubs and rural and suburban kids often went hunting after school.
 

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The problem with your point is that the people incarcerated in the "relocation camps" weren't just enemy aliens. That would have been not only legal. but an accepted practice. A large percentage of the "internees" were US citizens knowingly confined solely due to their race. You didn't see FDR incarcerating Italian and German residents. let alone their citizen descendants.
Actually 20,000 Germans and 10,000 Italians were incarcerated, as stated earlier. Furthermore, the Supreme Court found that the internment of people was perfectly acceptable legally in the Korematsu vs. US decision.

Again you show your ignorance of the facts of WWII. The British crushed the Italian battle line at Taranto under very similar circumstances thirteen months before the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor. The capability was there. just no one thought the Japanese would take the risk of such a deep strike.
Actually, Taranto wasn't that big of a success. No Italian ships were destroyed. Two of the battleships were back in action in less than 7 months. It did little to limit Italian military activity in the Mediterrean. It did not change the basic mentality that Battleships were the mainstay of navies, not aircraft carriers. By 1943, the US was in a mad rush to build as many carriers as possible, even converting a bunch of light cruisers into carriers.

Again you show your ignorance about the facts. The Japanese invaded Kiska on June 6th (the last day of the Midway battle) and Attu on June 7th. So no, they didn't INVADE as a distraction. The carrier raid in Dutch Harbor was on the 3rd and was intended to attract any carriers not at Pearl.
YOu kind of made my point. They attacked up there to make the US think that's where the main attack was going. Might have even succeeded if the US hadn't broken the Jap naval code and knew the main target was Midway.

While most city dwellers didn't have guns, a large percentage of Americans (especially those on the West Coast and in the western states) did have guns and used them often. Those were they days when schools had marksmanship clubs and rural and suburban kids often went hunting after school.
Which mean exactly, nothing to my point. Yeah, I guess if the Japanese Army was driving into the middle of Utah or something, that might have been an issue, but they weren't.

Again, an invasion of the west coast was UNLIKELY. But you have to plan for the unlikely scenarios.

So we go back to where you are at in early 1942. The Japanese are running rampant all over the pacific. You only have a few aircraft carriers to stop them. An invasion of the west coast was a possibility, and you have 100,000 people on the west coast who think Hirohito is a god.
 

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