Was the Capture of Maduro an Inside Job?

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I don't just mean that there was help from U.S. Intelligence Assets close to Maduro. Not hard to guess that there was and even the fact that the NYT reports there were doesn't dissuate me:


A C.I.A. source within the Venezuelan government monitored the location of Nicolás Maduro in both the days and moments before his capture by American special operation forces, according to people briefed on the operation.

The American spy agency, the people said, produced the intelligence that led to the capture of Mr. Maduro, monitoring his position and movements with a fleet of stealth drones that provided near constant monitoring over Venezuela, in addition to the information provided by its Venezuelan sources.


What I mean is does it make sense that it happened in the way it is being described? Should the word "capture" be put in quotation marks? Or were Maduro and his wife willing participants in this operation?

There is now reporting on the details of the raid:


President Donald Trump watched and listened as highly trained American Delta Force soldiers rushed into Nicolás Maduro’s home in Caracas, where the Venezuelan leader was sleeping alongside his wife.

Maduro was quickly dragged into custody as he tried to flee to his steel-enforced safe room.


I can easily believe that U.S. Special Forces could capture Maduro, and even his wife, if that was included in the mission for some reason. I find it hard to believe that they did this seemingly without firing a shot. Where were Maduro's security forces? He has plenty of enemies who would like to kill him.

How long did it take them to break into and out of this steel-reinforced safe room? Nobody noticed the explosives, or the grinders, or the cutting torches? There were no alarms? No wall around his compound?

Did Maduro hire the same security consultants as the ones who told Biden how to secure the border? Were these the same guards that were watching the cameras aimed Jeffrey Epstein's cell?

To me it seems much more likely that this was a voluntary extraction with this fairly thin cover story of the capture intended to buy time before the drug dealers who owned Maduro realize he has turned on them.

Maduro had expressed a desire for a deal.


Was part of the deal that he be spirited out of his country? It makes more sense that his wife was taken as part of the deal, than that the U.S. has some burning operational need to also prosecute the First Lady.

The man no doubt has plenty of money socked away in overseas accounts. He can live like a king, if they can find a place where he can live safely.
 
Well, I have no doubt that forces within the country, even within his own sphere, wanted him gone. That often happens with brutal Communist regimes but they rule by fear. He had apparently weakened to the point where some turned on him and helped our intel agents.
 
I don't just mean that there was help from U.S. Intelligence Assets close to Maduro. Not hard to guess that there was and even the fact that the NYT reports there were doesn't dissuate me:


A C.I.A. source within the Venezuelan government monitored the location of Nicolás Maduro in both the days and moments before his capture by American special operation forces, according to people briefed on the operation.

The American spy agency, the people said, produced the intelligence that led to the capture of Mr. Maduro, monitoring his position and movements with a fleet of stealth drones that provided near constant monitoring over Venezuela, in addition to the information provided by its Venezuelan sources.


What I mean is does it make sense that it happened in the way it is being described? Should the word "capture" be put in quotation marks? Or were Maduro and his wife willing participants in this operation?

There is now reporting on the details of the raid:


President Donald Trump watched and listened as highly trained American Delta Force soldiers rushed into Nicolás Maduro’s home in Caracas, where the Venezuelan leader was sleeping alongside his wife.

Maduro was quickly dragged into custody as he tried to flee to his steel-enforced safe room.


I can easily believe that U.S. Special Forces could capture Maduro, and even his wife, if that was included in the mission for some reason. I find it hard to believe that they did this seemingly without firing a shot. Where were Maduro's security forces? He has plenty of enemies who would like to kill him.

How long did it take them to break into and out of this steel-reinforced safe room? Nobody noticed the explosives, or the grinders, or the cutting torches? There were no alarms? No wall around his compound?

Did Maduro hire the same security consultants as the ones who told Biden how to secure the border? Were these the same guards that were watching the cameras aimed Jeffrey Epstein's cell?

To me it seems much more likely that this was a voluntary extraction with this fairly thin cover story of the capture intended to buy time before the drug dealers who owned Maduro realize he has turned on them.

Maduro had expressed a desire for a deal.


Was part of the deal that he be spirited out of his country? It makes more sense that his wife was taken as part of the deal, than that the U.S. has some burning operational need to also prosecute the First Lady.

The man no doubt has plenty of money socked away in overseas accounts. He can live like a king, if they can find a place where he can live safely.
With "experts" like Mayorkas and Kamala, I'm surprised Biden had consultants.
 
I don't just mean that there was help from U.S. Intelligence Assets close to Maduro. Not hard to guess that there was and even the fact that the NYT reports there were doesn't dissuate me:


A C.I.A. source within the Venezuelan government monitored the location of Nicolás Maduro in both the days and moments before his capture by American special operation forces, according to people briefed on the operation.

The American spy agency, the people said, produced the intelligence that led to the capture of Mr. Maduro, monitoring his position and movements with a fleet of stealth drones that provided near constant monitoring over Venezuela, in addition to the information provided by its Venezuelan sources.


What I mean is does it make sense that it happened in the way it is being described? Should the word "capture" be put in quotation marks? Or were Maduro and his wife willing participants in this operation?

There is now reporting on the details of the raid:


President Donald Trump watched and listened as highly trained American Delta Force soldiers rushed into Nicolás Maduro’s home in Caracas, where the Venezuelan leader was sleeping alongside his wife.

Maduro was quickly dragged into custody as he tried to flee to his steel-enforced safe room.


I can easily believe that U.S. Special Forces could capture Maduro, and even his wife, if that was included in the mission for some reason. I find it hard to believe that they did this seemingly without firing a shot. Where were Maduro's security forces? He has plenty of enemies who would like to kill him.

How long did it take them to break into and out of this steel-reinforced safe room? Nobody noticed the explosives, or the grinders, or the cutting torches? There were no alarms? No wall around his compound?

Did Maduro hire the same security consultants as the ones who told Biden how to secure the border? Were these the same guards that were watching the cameras aimed Jeffrey Epstein's cell?

To me it seems much more likely that this was a voluntary extraction with this fairly thin cover story of the capture intended to buy time before the drug dealers who owned Maduro realize he has turned on them.

Maduro had expressed a desire for a deal.


Was part of the deal that he be spirited out of his country? It makes more sense that his wife was taken as part of the deal, than that the U.S. has some burning operational need to also prosecute the First Lady.

The man no doubt has plenty of money socked away in overseas accounts. He can live like a king, if they can find a place where he can live safely.
I sure hope so. That's the job of a strong intelligence agency and the CIA are supposed to be among the best, if not the best foreign agency.

The fact that they offered $50M for Maduro probably went a very long way. You recruit 5 guys on his security details and entice a couple of important military leaders who prefer to help America over the Communists Chinese and they are more than happy to share $5M each.

What is amazing to me is that these successes have been so profound. That says alot about both the leaking from within your own government or even effective espionage that intercepts such information.

Venezuela had the support of Cuba, China and Russian intelligence agencies and America fooled the entire world.

What I found telling is that British European speakers saying that "there was no indication that this was going to occur". This screams to me leaks within intel agencies or officials.

Perhaps the firing of the anti-Trump, anti-American officials early in his term went a long way to keeping a lid on these leaks. Loose lips, sink ships. The best spies (military or otherwise) are never known. Some who are known, aren't known until decades after their unheralded glory.
 
I don't just mean that there was help from U.S. Intelligence Assets close to Maduro. Not hard to guess that there was and even the fact that the NYT reports there were doesn't dissuate me:


A C.I.A. source within the Venezuelan government monitored the location of Nicolás Maduro in both the days and moments before his capture by American special operation forces, according to people briefed on the operation.

The American spy agency, the people said, produced the intelligence that led to the capture of Mr. Maduro, monitoring his position and movements with a fleet of stealth drones that provided near constant monitoring over Venezuela, in addition to the information provided by its Venezuelan sources.


What I mean is does it make sense that it happened in the way it is being described? Should the word "capture" be put in quotation marks? Or were Maduro and his wife willing participants in this operation?

There is now reporting on the details of the raid:


President Donald Trump watched and listened as highly trained American Delta Force soldiers rushed into Nicolás Maduro’s home in Caracas, where the Venezuelan leader was sleeping alongside his wife.

Maduro was quickly dragged into custody as he tried to flee to his steel-enforced safe room.


I can easily believe that U.S. Special Forces could capture Maduro, and even his wife, if that was included in the mission for some reason. I find it hard to believe that they did this seemingly without firing a shot. Where were Maduro's security forces? He has plenty of enemies who would like to kill him.

How long did it take them to break into and out of this steel-reinforced safe room? Nobody noticed the explosives, or the grinders, or the cutting torches? There were no alarms? No wall around his compound?

Did Maduro hire the same security consultants as the ones who told Biden how to secure the border? Were these the same guards that were watching the cameras aimed Jeffrey Epstein's cell?

To me it seems much more likely that this was a voluntary extraction with this fairly thin cover story of the capture intended to buy time before the drug dealers who owned Maduro realize he has turned on them.

Maduro had expressed a desire for a deal.


Was part of the deal that he be spirited out of his country? It makes more sense that his wife was taken as part of the deal, than that the U.S. has some burning operational need to also prosecute the First Lady.

The man no doubt has plenty of money socked away in overseas accounts. He can live like a king, if they can find a place where he can live safely.
the people are defenseless so likely so, they needed help
 
Maybe his best friend or even a brother.

For the love of money (People will steal from their mother)
For the love of money (People will rob their own brother)
For the love of money (People can't even walk the street)
Because they never know who in the world they're gonna meet
For that mean, oh mean
Mean green, almighty dollar, cash money
For the love of money (People will lie, rob, they will cheat)
For the love of money (People don't care who they hurt or beat)
For the love of money (A woman will sell her precious body)
For a small piece of paper, it carries a lot of weight
For that mean, mean, mean, mean
Mean green, almighty dollar, talkin' 'bout, talkin' 'bout
 
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Maduro was quickly dragged into custody as he tried to flee to his steel-enforced safe room.

I can easily believe that U.S. Special Forces could capture Maduro, and even his wife, if that was included in the mission for some reason. I find it hard to believe that they did this seemingly without firing a shot. Where were Maduro's security forces? He has plenty of enemies who would like to kill him.

How long did it take them to break into and out of this steel-reinforced safe room? Nobody noticed the explosives, or the grinders, or the cutting torches? There were no alarms? No wall around his compound?
Check your reading comprehension. He "TRIED" to flee to his safe room.

He didn't make it. Delta Force got to the safe room and captured him before he could close the door, so they didn't need to break into it.

But it would have only taken a minute if they did.
 
It's nice for a change to have a competent CIA that can actually overthrow governments.
 
Check your reading comprehension. He "TRIED" to flee to his safe room.
I stand corrected.
He didn't make it. Delta Force got to the safe room and captured him before he could close the door, so they didn't need to break into it.

But it would have only taken a minute if they did.
Why did Maduro's security forces not fire a shot, nor get shot?
 
Well, I have no doubt that forces within the country, even within his own sphere, wanted him gone. That often happens with brutal Communist regimes but they rule by fear. He had apparently weakened to the point where some turned on him and helped our intel agents.
I agree, prolly a lot of Maduro "loyals" made a business decision.
 
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I stand corrected.

Why did Maduro's security forces not fire a shot, nor get shot?

From what I've heard, the majority of Maduro's security personnel were Cubans, because Maduro didn't fully trust his own Venezuelan forces to prevent a coup or defection. Estimates of total Cuban operatives in Venezuela has varied, with numbers as high as 30,000 in the past, including a mix of intelligence agents, security personnel, doctors, and sports instructors, in exchange for subsidized oil.
The Cuban security forces' primary loyalty was to the Cuban government, not to Maduro personally, making them a more reliable and cohesive force for the regime. But faced with the US military's overwhelming attack at such an hour probably threw them off guard, and many of them probably fled or were killed.
 
I didn't hear any reports saying that no shots were fired.

But it's possible. Delta force can be very sneaky.
I'm sure I read that there were no casualties.

If the Delta Force fired shots, there were casualties. If Maduro's security fired shots, the Delta Force shot back and there were casualties.

Maybe there were casualties, and they are just giving a polyanna description that avoids the bloodshed to further the "this was a simple criminal arrest" narrative.

I believe my explanation is the simplest, that Maduro and his wife agreed to be captured.
 
I'm sure I read that there were no casualties.

If the Delta Force fired shots, there were casualties. If Maduro's security fired shots, the Delta Force shot back and there were casualties.

Maybe there were casualties, and they are just giving a polyanna description that avoids the bloodshed to further the "this was a simple criminal arrest" narrative.

I believe my explanation is the simplest, that Maduro and his wife agreed to be captured.

I don't think President Trump would have done that, he's pretty transparent about things. They said at his presser there were no US casualties, only a couple soldiers wounded. And no loss of military assets.
 
I don't think President Trump would have done that, he's pretty transparent about things. They said at his presser there were no US casualties, only a couple soldiers wounded. And no loss of military assets.
but it just went down so easily JG........~S~
 
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