was not aware of Churchill's plan

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

dont think so ….

Of course it would. The Russians had plenty of troops, plenty of supplies, a good supply line. The French and British would not participate. There would be no assault on the East.

 

[Deadstick]

Plans are like assholes. Everybody has one. After the disaster of Dunkirk that the media turned into a propaganda victory, England was on it's last legs and dependent on America's industrial might. There is no way that the island nation could mount an invasion of Russia especially while Russia was considered an ally.

What gets me why would they want to invade the Soviet Union, it's the thinking of madmen, there are quite a few madmen around today in power.

 

[ESay]

The Brits should have never had their influence over European politics. Their psychology is those of 'Islanders' and their main concern always was not to let any continental European power to rise.

The Entente should have been destroyed in the WWI - and the concern over Soviet Russia wouldn't have rosen at any time afterwards.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The sole concern of "The Islanders" was to keep their sea lanes open.

Europe could catch fire for all the British cared as long as the sea lanes to their empire were open.

 

[DudleySmith]

Silly rebuttal. The Red Army was anything on its last legs.

And you ignored all of my valid points.

No uniform for you, buddy. To the stockade.

You're laughably ignorant on a wide variety of topics.

 

[DudleySmith]

The Russians wore it down, by the end of the war they were barely hanging on.

The US was still in full war production.

The Soviets relied on British and American supplies, even food. The Brits had to provide fuel boosters for their planes to even get off the ground. Hitler had stripped the eastern front of most of the air force and defense to ward off the western bombing campaign over Germany. The Soviets could even use old WW I era biplanes by then, and did.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The Soviets relied on British and American supplies, even food. The Brits had to provide fuel boosters for their planes to even get off the ground. Hitler had stripped the eastern front of most of the air force and defense to ward off the western bombing campaign over Germany. The Soviets could even use old WW I era biplanes by then, and did.

Be fair, the trainers the Night Witches flew were adequate for the job. Low performance aircraft are an advantage at night.

 

[Jarlaxle]

By the time the Red Army went on the offensive, the Luftwaffe had been gutted. Its best pilots were piloting fighters over Germany. The Germans were flying He-111s, Ju-88s and Ju-87s. All carried small payloads and had derisory defensive armament. The Ju-88 was the best of the bunch, but compare it to the B-26 Marauder: 6 7.92mm hand-held machine guns and 3,100 pounds of bombs, vs 11 .50 caliber guns and 4,000 pounds of bombs. The A-20 carried heavier gun armament and a larger bomb load than the Ju-88. The WAllied heavy bombers would have obliterated the Soviet supply lines completely cutting off supplies from the combat areas. WAllied pilots were better, their fighters were better and more numerous, their light bombers were better and more numerous, ditto medium bombers and the Soviets lacked heavy bombers entirely. The only Soviet aircraft in the same league as WAllied ones were the Il-2 and the Pe-2.

The P47 was a better attack plane than an Il2.

The Russians had no reserves, the Red Army had 10,000,000 men killed or captured during the war. The Soviets drafted men and women from 16 to 30 years of age during the war. Red Army troops got minimal training, in theory ninety days, much of which was wasted since weapons and ammo were lacking in training units, but often that was shortened to as little as three weeks with raw recruits being fed directly into units in combat for “training”. By 1944 the draftees had been living on a thousand calories a day for three years. Russian civilians were on starvation levels of rations for the entire war. What food there was went to the Red Army.

Medical care was poor, units were left in combat until they took over sixty percent casualties, then pulled back and consolidated with the survivors of other units and green recruits and fed right back into combat.

by the Battle of Berlin, the Red Army was on its last legs.

And much of the food was American.

Silly rebuttal. The Red Army was anything on its last legs.

And you ignored all of my valid points.

No uniform for you, buddy. To the stockade.

That's stupid.

are you sure?

He's often wrong but ALWAYS certain.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Be fair, the trainers the Night Witches flew were adequate for the job. Low performance aircraft are an advantage at night.

British, German, and US used similar aircraft.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Silly rebuttal. The Red Army was anything on its last legs.

And you ignored all of my valid points.

No uniform for you, buddy. To the stockade.

Jarlaxle That's stupid.

John Edgar Slow Horses said If inability to argue was a crime, you would have 10 life sentences.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The P47 was a better attack plane than an Il2.



And much of the food was American.



That's stupid.


He's often wrong but ALWAYS certain.

The P-47 wasn’t a better ground attack plane. But it was far more versatile and could defend itself from fighters. The Sturmovick was easy meat for fighters being slow and unmaneuverable with light defensive armament.

 

[Jarlaxle]

The P-47 wasn’t a better ground attack plane. But it was far more versatile and could defend itself from fighters. The Sturmovick was easy meat for fighters being slow and unmaneuverable with light defensive armament.

The P47 carried more ordinance than the Il2.

 

[DudleySmith]

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The United States did not use biplanes for active combat roles, other than naval scouting. The same was not true in other nations."


I knew the Brits had them, but not the Germans. Learn something every day.

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[Jarlaxle]

The US used Piper Cubs.

 

[DudleySmith]

The US used Piper Cubs.

I knew they used those, as spotters and scouts.

 

[AZrailwhale]

The P47 carried more ordinance than the Il2.

Yes it did, the Il2 was a gunship that carried a few small bombs or rockets.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Yes it did, the Il2 was a gunship that carried a few small bombs or rockets.

Two MG, two 20mm...nothing special. It only held a few small bombs-total was about 1000lbs. A P-47 could carry 2500lbs of bombs, later versions 3000+, or 1000lbs plus ten rockets.

 

[AZrailwhale]

Two MG, two 20mm...nothing special. It only held a few small bombs-total was about 1000lbs. A P-47 could carry 2500lbs of bombs, later versions 3000+, or 1000lbs plus ten rockets.

Not to be pedantic, but the cannon were 23mm, not 20mm. The point of calling the Il2 a gunship is that it was a strafer.

 

[Zebra]

Yeah, right. The Red Army had already outrun its supply lines and had never faced TACAIR as capable as what the WAllies had or strategic bombing. It’s tactic of lining up hundreds of guns hub to hub for bombardment would get eaten alive by WAllied fighter bombers , attack bombers and medium bombers. The Russians maybe might have made it to the Rhine, but no further and couldn’t have held what the gained in the face of WAllied AirPower and mobility.

i also think so

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The Allies did not have the munitions or equipment or will power to launch an offensive to the East.