Warning: Gravity is "Only a Theory"

[ReinyDays]

That is one facet of the debate. And it is not settled, so your confidence is...curious. No, they may very well be actual "particles", as real as any other.

The Higgs boson is the last of the elementary particles to be discovered ... using the Standard Model ... there may well be no more ... keep in mind the Standard Model has proven to be robust again and again and again ... nothing we've observed in the universe seems to contradict it's validity ... when looking for the Higgs boson, we knew exact what to expect, and where to expect it ... it's properties, it's behaviors, it's qualities ... all these things were (correctly) predicted by the Standard Model ...

We will need a new model of these elementary particles ... something that gives us the 17 we have in hand plus room for more ... gravitons, dark matter, pheons, etc etc etc ... otherwise we're just randomly looking hoping to catch sight of something the Standard Model doesn't predict ... perhaps we don't need this information, but it sure would be a BIG help when building a machine to detect them ...

Does this explain my confidence? ... sometimes there is only so much to learn, and then there's no more to learn after that ... sometimes ...

 

[Dagosa]

There are reasons for gravity. Is the rotation of something on an individual on the cause of gravity? Or part of the cause? The Earth rotates. We see plans for space craft/stations that rotate and cause gravity.

Actually the rotation of earth produces centripetal force which reduces gravity. Gravity is mass related And objects with greater mass have greater gravity. The distance from an object decrease it’s gravity.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

That is one facet of the debate. And it is not settled, so your confidence is...curious. No, they may very well be actual "particles", as real as any other.

The Higgs boson is the last of the elementary particles to be discovered ... using the Standard Model ... there may well be no more ... keep in mind the Standard Model has proven to be robust again and again and again ... nothing we've observed in the universe seems to contradict it's validity ... when looking for the Higgs boson, we knew exact what to expect, and where to expect it ... it's properties, it's behaviors, it's qualities ... all these things were (correctly) predicted by the Standard Model ...

We will need a new model of these elementary particles ... something that gives us the 17 we have in hand plus room for more ... gravitons, dark matter, pheons, etc etc etc ... otherwise we're just randomly looking hoping to catch sight of something the Standard Model doesn't predict ... perhaps we don't need this information, but it sure would be a BIG help when building a machine to detect them ...

Does this explain my confidence? ... sometimes there is only so much to learn, and then there's no more to learn after that ... sometimes ...

It does. And you may be exactly right.

 

[ReinyDays]

Actually the rotation of earth produces centripetal force which reduces gravity. Gravity is mass related And objects with greater mass have greater gravity. The distance from an object decrease it’s gravity.

For the record ... the dust and gases that collapsed into the Earth was rotating ... and the Earth has continued to rotate ever since ... remember: we need a torque to change angular momentum ... no torque, no change in momentum ...

Gravity is our centripetal force ... centripetal means "pointed towards the center" ... you mean centrifugal force, an apparition of our rotating frame-of-reference ... No, weigh yourself at the equator, maximum centrifugal force ... weigh yourself at the pole, no centrifugal force ... see, exactly the same ...

Find the force that describes your daily motion around the Earth's axis ... now subtract that from gravity ... yeah, that leaves you the hydrostatic force ... cute eh? ...

 

[Dagosa]

No, weigh yourself at the equator, maximum centrifugal force ... weigh yourself at the pole, no centrifugal force ... see, exactly the same ...

Due to the rotation of the earth, we weigh about 1% less at the equator then at the pole.

 

[ReinyDays]

Due to the rotation of the earth, we weigh about 1% less at the equator then at the pole.

Did you do the vector addition I asked you to? ... see, no centrifugal forces ...

 

[james bond]

Gravity is as fact as anything
Wow are you an ignoramus

Gravity and Evolution are BOTH facts and Theories.
I suggest you look up the definition of "Scientific Theory," not just 'theory.'
Ok Male Bimbo?
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Stop trying to act like you know science.

Evolution is a lie except for natural selection which creation science has. Gravity has not been explained to satisfaction, but has the law of gravity or Newton's Law of Universal Gravitation. Gravity is also a theory and not a fact. You are wrong again. The energy associated with the gravitational force is negative, while the energy associated with most ordinary objects (baseballs, cars, elevators, you, etc.) is positive. It is possible for these positive and negative energies to cancel, resulting in zero net energy.

You are a Science illiterate !!!

Didn't I just say stop acting like you know science? It's embarrassing. I just put you to shame and you have no reply, but ad hominem. It means you lost the argument.

 

[james bond]

Evolution and gravity are both facts.

I stopped reading right there. Many scientists and science-minded people would lol, think you know very little, are wrong and move on.

 

[ReinyDays]

Evolution and gravity are both facts.

I stopped reading right there. Many scientists and science-minded people would lol, think you know very little, are wrong and move on.

Ah ... But you think he knows a lot, are right, and hang on his every comment? ...

 

[Dagosa]

Gravity is simply massive dents in time /space by the mass of celestial bodies

Gravity applies to all objects with mass, not just celestial bodies. That it’s a dent in time/space is a theory and one way of looking at gravity. Most of us who use that theory still don’t know what the fk it means. Not many of us do. Really, saying an explanation is only a theory doesn’t diminish its usefulness . After all, we are swamped in nukes throughout the world that were all built based upon theory, just like your cellphones, automobiles and vaccines. The idea that just because theories are subject to change aren’t useful is bogus. That’s why the science illiterate crowd that keeps diminishing theoretical knowledge as useless are really making shit up. At least science theories are testable and if consistent are useful.

Can’t say that about religion or even worse, the “common sense “ crowd.

 

[beautress]

I'd like a Nickel for every Religionist who says 'Evolution is only a theory'. Not knowing Science does Not use 'Theory' for mere Conjecture but for a well documented set of facts.
The board is polluted with alot of these Literalists and 7-Eleven Adventists who know Zero about science.

Warning: Gravity is "Only a Theory"
by Ellery Schempp
Gravity: It's Only a Theory | NCSE

All physics textbooks should include this warning label:​

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“This textbook contains material on Gravity. Universal Gravity is a theory, Not a fact, regarding the natural law of attraction. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”​

​

The Universal Theory of Gravity is often taught in schools as a “fact,” when in fact it is not even a good theory.​

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First of all, no one has measured gravity for every atom and every star. It is simply a religious belief that it is “universal.” Secondly, school textbooks routinely make false statements. For example, “the moon goes around the earth.” If the theory of gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is much stronger than the earth's gravitational force on the moon, so the moon would go around the sun. Anybody can look up at night and see the obvious gaps in gravity theory.​

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The existence of tides is often taken as a proof of gravity, but this is logically flawed. Because if the moon's “gravity” were responsible for a bulge underneath it, then how can anyone explain a high tide on the opposite side of the earth at the same time? Anyone can observe that there are 2 -- not 1 -- high tides every day. It is far more likely that tides were given us by an Intelligent Creator long ago and they have been with us ever since. In any case, two high tides falsifies gravity.​

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It is not even clear why we need a theory of gravity -- there is not a single mention in the Bible, and the patriotic founding fathers never referred to it.​

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Finally, the mere name “Universal Theory of Gravity” or “Theory of Universal Gravity” (the secularists like to use confusing language) has a distinctly Socialist ring to it. The core idea of “to each according to his weight, from each according to his mass” is Communist. There is no reason that gravity should apply to the just and the unjust equally, and the saved should have relief from such “universalism.” If we have Universal Gravity now, then Universal health care will be sure to follow. It is this kind of Universalism that saps a nation's moral fiber.​

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Overall, the Theory of Universal Gravity is just not an attractive theory. It is based on borderline evidence, has many serious gaps in what it claims to explain, is clearly wrong in important respects, and has social and moral deficiencies. If taught in the public schools, by mis-directed “educators,” it has to be balanced with alternative, more attractive theories with genuine gravamen and spiritual gravitas.​

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So gravity is a false theory? <burp!>

 

[Dagosa]

I'd like a Nickel for every Religionist who says 'Evolution is only a theory'. Not knowing Science does Not use 'Theory' for mere Conjecture but for a well documented set of facts.
The board is polluted with alot of these Literalists and 7-Eleven Adventists who know Zero about science.

Warning: Gravity is "Only a Theory"
by Ellery Schempp
Gravity: It's Only a Theory | NCSE

All physics textbooks should include this warning label:​

​

“This textbook contains material on Gravity. Universal Gravity is a theory, Not a fact, regarding the natural law of attraction. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered.”​

​

The Universal Theory of Gravity is often taught in schools as a “fact,” when in fact it is not even a good theory.​

​

First of all, no one has measured gravity for every atom and every star. It is simply a religious belief that it is “universal.” Secondly, school textbooks routinely make false statements. For example, “the moon goes around the earth.” If the theory of gravity were true, it would show that the sun's gravitational force on the moon is much stronger than the earth's gravitational force on the moon, so the moon would go around the sun. Anybody can look up at night and see the obvious gaps in gravity theory.​

​

The existence of tides is often taken as a proof of gravity, but this is logically flawed. Because if the moon's “gravity” were responsible for a bulge underneath it, then how can anyone explain a high tide on the opposite side of the earth at the same time? Anyone can observe that there are 2 -- not 1 -- high tides every day. It is far more likely that tides were given us by an Intelligent Creator long ago and they have been with us ever since. In any case, two high tides falsifies gravity.​

[...... Big snip........]​

It is not even clear why we need a theory of gravity -- there is not a single mention in the Bible, and the patriotic founding fathers never referred to it.​

​

Finally, the mere name “Universal Theory of Gravity” or “Theory of Universal Gravity” (the secularists like to use confusing language) has a distinctly Socialist ring to it. The core idea of “to each according to his weight, from each according to his mass” is Communist. There is no reason that gravity should apply to the just and the unjust equally, and the saved should have relief from such “universalism.” If we have Universal Gravity now, then Universal health care will be sure to follow. It is this kind of Universalism that saps a nation's moral fiber.​

​

Overall, the Theory of Universal Gravity is just not an attractive theory. It is based on borderline evidence, has many serious gaps in what it claims to explain, is clearly wrong in important respects, and has social and moral deficiencies. If taught in the public schools, by mis-directed “educators,” it has to be balanced with alternative, more attractive theories with genuine gravamen and spiritual gravitas.​

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So gravity is a false theory? <burp!>

Theory is neither absolutely false nor true. They are useful ways of explaining phenomenon to a degree of certainty that exist around us making it better for mankind. Really, if we thought Newtonian physics was the only way of looking at things, we wouldn’t have cell phone’s radiation therapy and a bunch of “products.”

 

[Quasar44]

Evolution and gravity are both facts.

I stopped reading right there. Many scientists and science-minded people would lol, think you know very little, are wrong and move on.

You’re a science illiterate dummy
Go back to the 4th grade

 

[Quasar44]

This science section is not worth my time
Too many ignoramuses and religious nuts

 

[james bond]

You’re a science illiterate dummy
Go back to the 4th grade

This science section is not worth my time

The science section is for intelligent people so that's why you're leaving. Gravity sucks, but your knowledge of science sucks even more. Be sure to let the doors hit you hard on the way out.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

You’re a science illiterate dummy
Go back to the 4th grade

This science section is not worth my time

The science section is for intelligent people so that's why you're leaving. Gravity sucks, but your knowledge of science sucks even more. Be sure to let the doors hit you hard on the way out.

^^

Thinks AGW and evolution are hoaxes

 

[Quasar44]

You’re a science illiterate dummy
Go back to the 4th grade

This science section is not worth my time

The science section is for intelligent people so that's why you're leaving. Gravity sucks, but your knowledge of science sucks even more. Be sure to let the doors hit you hard on the way out.

^^

Thinks AGW and evolution are hoaxes

Evolution is beyond facts
You have the DNA, bones , genetical evidence that is absolute and undeniable
If you want to learn more ..I can recommend you 2 excellent and short books that will show you the truth

 

[Quasar44]

Why are conservatives such dimwits with science ??
I am a Trump supporter and I also follow science

 

[Quasar44]

You’re a science illiterate dummy
Go back to the 4th grade

This science section is not worth my time

The science section is for intelligent people so that's why you're leaving. Gravity sucks, but your knowledge of science sucks even more. Be sure to let the doors hit you hard on the way out.

You are uneducated and very ignorant guy!!
You are fully entitled to your views

 

[Quasar44]

I am not a Scientist but I read books written by them and I listen to them on YouTube