Walmart arrest; racist or not?

[IanC]

YouTube - Woman Gets Tazered

if the woman in this video had split open the cop's lip, should she have been charged with assault? were the cops right or wrong to taze her? how much crap are cops supposed to take before acting? just wondering what other people think, especially black people.

hey Bass---notice how this lady (sic) only got into big trouble when she didn't co-operate with what the policeman told her to do?

 

[IanC]

Woman to plead guilty to misdemeanors in Missouri Wal-Mart scuffle

Kennett, Missouri (CNN) -- A woman accused of cutting in line at a Wal-Mart, shoving merchandise and assaulting police officers will plead guilty to disturbing the peace and resisting arrest, both misdemeanors.

Under the agreement -- reached after the jury received the case for deliberations -- Heather Ellis will plead guilty to disturbing the peace and resisting arrest. She will serve a year of unsupervised probation, attend an anger management course and serve four days in jail before the end of the year.


Woman to plead guilty to misdemeanors in Missouri Wal-Mart scuffle - CNN.com

I wonder why she refused to take the first plea offered to her 2 years ago? Maybe because she realized the charge of racism was not working with the video and witness who testified for the pros? She IMO must have been worried to have taken the deal before the jury returned. If she had much of a case then she could have strung this out with appeals.

That seems fair. It's kind of strange that this has received national attention.

she realized her 'race card' was malfunctioning, then the 'KKK card' didn't work either, so she decided not push her luck.

just another scenario where a lot of blacks will continue to believe that it was an example of racism and a lot of whites will continue to believe it was an example of black thug behaviour.

anyone remember Genarlow Wilson?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

White man verbally cop and snatching papers out of his hand, where is his arrest and 15 year sentence charge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog

Despite all of this no arrest and even a warning for failure to produce insurance. And idiots like IanC want to justify what cops did to Heather Ellis.

that is one funny video, hahahaha

1992, eh? the one thing I did notice was that the guy listened to and obeyed the cop even though he was doing the craziest Donald Duck imitation ever. if the cop had chosen to let the episode escalate I would take the cop's side but obviously the cop wasn't too concerned about bad language.

Look, you're full of excuses, just admit, cops have different ways of how they take things when the person is black or white.

 

[IanC]

Look, you're full of excuses, just admit, cops have different ways of how they take things when the person is black or white.

Look, you're full of excuses, just admit, blacks have different standards of behaviour than whites.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Look, you're full of excuses, just admit, cops have different ways of how they take things when the person is black or white.

Look, you're full of excuses, just admit, blacks have different standards of behaviour than whites.

"Blacks" don't have different standards of behaviors, there are no certain set of behaviors that specifically typify black people, you racist turds like to highlight one black in a negative light and use it as a template to type all blacks, doesn't work that way, ditto for whites. The way how blacks have been historically dealt with by law enforcement causes some blacks to act a certain way and some of it is justified, but not all.

 

[IanC]

"Blacks" don't have different standards of behaviors, there are no certain set of behaviors that specifically typify black people

actually there are average black behaviours that are different than other races/groups. out-of-wedlock births springs to mind. are you saying that blacks don't have large differences in that area? are you one of those people that says as long as one person in the other group does it too, then there is no difference between the groups? crime rates, for instance. or welfare rates. graduation rates. bankcruptcy rates. sexually transmitted disease rates...should I go on?

 

[JenyEliza]

White man verbally cop and snatching papers out of his hand, where is his arrest and 15 year sentence charge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog

Despite all of this no arrest and even a warning for failure to produce insurance. And idiots like IanC want to justify what cops did to Heather Ellis.

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

 

[Diuretic]

If the "race card" has expired does that mean that race doesn't matter a whit?

 

[William Joyce]

"Blacks" don't have different standards of behaviors, there are no certain set of behaviors that specifically typify black people

How about "crime generally"?

 

[Bass v 2.0]

White man verbally cop and snatching papers out of his hand, where is his arrest and 15 year sentence charge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog

Despite all of this no arrest and even a warning for failure to produce insurance. And idiots like IanC want to justify what cops did to Heather Ellis.

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

 

[IanC]

White man verbally cop and snatching papers out of his hand, where is his arrest and 15 year sentence charge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog

Despite all of this no arrest and even a warning for failure to produce insurance. And idiots like IanC want to justify what cops did to Heather Ellis.

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

you've been listening to the media too much. see was charged for her conduct with the police, there was no criminal charge for 'cutting in line'. the fifteen year sentence may be possible for what she was charged with but there was no way she was going to get that sentence. as far as blacks getting a stiffer sentence, there is a great deal of data that points to blacks getting more lenient sentences, when you factor recidivism and violence into the equation.

 

[JenyEliza]

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

you've been listening to the media too much. see was charged for her conduct with the police, there was no criminal charge for 'cutting in line'. the fifteen year sentence may be possible for what she was charged with but there was no way she was going to get that sentence. as far as blacks getting a stiffer sentence, there is a great deal of data that points to blacks getting more lenient sentences, when you factor recidivism and violence into the equation.

Thank you for setting the uneducated damn idiot (who refers to himself in the third person) straight on this black woman's crimes and the penalties she originally faced. FIFTEEN YEARS, The Bass. 15. Count 'em.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15

You halfwit fucktard racist bastard.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

you've been listening to the media too much. see was charged for her conduct with the police, there was no criminal charge for 'cutting in line'. the fifteen year sentence may be possible for what she was charged with but there was no way she was going to get that sentence. as far as blacks getting a stiffer sentence, there is a great deal of data that points to blacks getting more lenient sentences, when you factor recidivism and violence into the equation.

Dude quit lying for Christ's sake, all data points to blacks getting stiffer sentences, period.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

you've been listening to the media too much. see was charged for her conduct with the police, there was no criminal charge for 'cutting in line'. the fifteen year sentence may be possible for what she was charged with but there was no way she was going to get that sentence. as far as blacks getting a stiffer sentence, there is a great deal of data that points to blacks getting more lenient sentences, when you factor recidivism and violence into the equation.

Thank you for setting the uneducated damn idiot (who refers to himself in the third person) straight on this black woman's crimes and the penalties she originally faced. FIFTEEN YEARS, The Bass. 15. Count 'em.

1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15

You halfwit fucktard racist bastard.

There was no crimes committed qagainst the cops, you saw the tape, where was the crime?

 

[rightwinger]

It had nothing to do with racism...it has to do with rudeness

If my cousin was in another line and I only had one or two items, I might ask him to check them out for me. If others in line objected, I would have apologized and moved to the back of the line.

This woman was not only rude but caused a scene when others challenged her. For her to claim it was a race issue does diservice to those who are actual victims of discrimination. Not being able to cut in line is not discrimination

 

[IanC]

Bass said--Dude quit lying for Christ's sake, all data points to blacks getting stiffer sentences, period.

Is the Criminal-Justice System Racist? by Heather Mac Donald, City Journal Spring 2008

Backing up this bias claim has been the holy grail of criminology for decades—and the prize remains as elusive as ever. In 1997, criminologists Robert Sampson and Janet Lauritsen reviewed the massive literature on charging and sentencing. They concluded that “large racial differences in criminal offending,” not racism, explained why more blacks were in prison proportionately than whites and for longer terms. A 1987 analysis of Georgia felony convictions, for example, found that blacks frequently received disproportionately lenient punishment. A 1990 study of 11,000 California cases found that slight racial disparities in sentence length resulted from blacks’ prior records and other legally relevant variables. A 1994 Justice Department survey of felony cases from the country’s 75 largest urban areas discovered that blacks actually had a lower chance of prosecution following a felony than whites did and that they were less likely to be found guilty at trial. Following conviction, blacks were more likely to receive prison sentences, however—an outcome that reflected the gravity of their offenses as well as their criminal records.

I know Bass and Obama like to think that blacks are treated horribly by the justice system. unfortunately that just isn't so.

oh, and the Walmart tapes didn't cover all of the action, who said they did?

 

[CaféAuLait]

White man verbally cop and snatching papers out of his hand, where is his arrest and 15 year sentence charge?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHZMoPV1rog

Despite all of this no arrest and even a warning for failure to produce insurance. And idiots like IanC want to justify what cops did to Heather Ellis.

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

Why over simplify the matter?

It was more than cutting in line, you saw the video she is shoving the other customers items off the conveyor belt over and over. Can't hear anything but several testified she was also yelling. The video of her departure and what happened with the police is severely limited. We do not see any confrontation at the register-- something both police and she say happened. Many people testified against her and there was a lot more that was said to have happened.

Either way-- let’s pretend all she did was continued to block the other woman from checking out-- which she did on the video. You can she her doing such repeatedly.

No matter how you slice it that is ‘disturbing the peace’. She was offered a plea deal TWO years ago for disturbing the peace... she refused to accept it. So they charge her with everything she did that evening. Sorry this was HER fault period.

She HAD NO right to touch and shove that other patrons items, trying to block her from checking out. And you had better believe that if ANYONE tried that shit with me I would be calling the cops- no matter what color their skin. She was disturbing the peace in trying to get her way.

Any person of any color doing that would have had the cops called on them for the same thing she did. This was not turned into race except by the media and those who wish to pretend that this girl "only cut the line".

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Your precious Heather Ellis got everything she had coming to her...and not one bit less.

HER POOR BEHAVIOR put her in the position she now finds herself in.

NOBODY did this to her. She DID IT TO HERSELF.

Don't go making a Jena 6 martyr out of her too.

The RACE CARD has expired. Get over it.

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

Why over simplify the matter?

It was more than cutting in line, you saw the video she is shoving the other customers items off the conveyor belt over and over. Can't hear anything but several testified she was also yelling. The video of her departure and what happened with the police is severely limited. We do not see any confrontation at the register-- something both police and she say happened. Many people testified against her and there was a lot more that was said to have happened.

Either way-- let’s pretend all she did was continued to block the other woman from checking out-- which she did on the video. You can she her doing such repeatedly.

No matter how you slice it that is ‘disturbing the peace’. She was offered a plea deal TWO years ago for disturbing the peace... she refused to accept it. So they charge her with everything she did that evening. Sorry this was HER fault period.

She HAD NO right to touch and shove that other patrons items, trying to block her from checking out. And you had better believe that if ANYONE tried that shit with me I would be calling the cops- no matter what color their skin. She was disturbing the peace in trying to get her way.

Any person of any color doing that would have had the cops called on them for the same thing she did. This was not turned into race except by the media and those who wish to pretend that this girl "only cut the line".

Your point is understood, but the point remains that this incident did not warrant facing a 15 year sentence, yelling and pushing people's items to the side is not a serious "crime" though it was very rude, and inconsiderate. All in all there is no justification for her facing a 15 year sentence. The same "plea deal" they're offering now should have been what they originally charged her with.

 

[CaféAuLait]

Cutting the line in a damn Walmart does not entail facing a damn 15 year sentence you damn idiot, thats all she was guilty of, no more no less, there are people who get charged and convicted of armed robbery and gun possession who get even lesser sentences. The issue retard is not whether she was right or wrong for cutting the line, its the excessive sentence for cutting the line thats the issue and its a well known fact that blacks get stiffer sentences for committing crimes than what whites get.

Why over simplify the matter?

It was more than cutting in line, you saw the video she is shoving the other customers items off the conveyor belt over and over. Can't hear anything but several testified she was also yelling. The video of her departure and what happened with the police is severely limited. We do not see any confrontation at the register-- something both police and she say happened. Many people testified against her and there was a lot more that was said to have happened.

Either way-- let’s pretend all she did was continued to block the other woman from checking out-- which she did on the video. You can she her doing such repeatedly.

No matter how you slice it that is ‘disturbing the peace’. She was offered a plea deal TWO years ago for disturbing the peace... she refused to accept it. So they charge her with everything she did that evening. Sorry this was HER fault period.

She HAD NO right to touch and shove that other patrons items, trying to block her from checking out. And you had better believe that if ANYONE tried that shit with me I would be calling the cops- no matter what color their skin. She was disturbing the peace in trying to get her way.

Any person of any color doing that would have had the cops called on them for the same thing she did. This was not turned into race except by the media and those who wish to pretend that this girl "only cut the line".

Your point is understood, but the point remains that this incident did not warrant facing a 15 year sentence, yelling and pushing people's items to the side is not a serious "crime" though it was very rude, and inconsiderate. All in all there is no justification for her facing a 15 year sentence. The same "plea deal" they're offering now should have been what they originally charged her with.

I agree with you. However she was offered a plea deal TWO years ago, no jail time probation only for 1 year. She should have taken he deal instead she and her parents scream racism and refused the deal.

 

[Bass v 2.0]

Why over simplify the matter?

It was more than cutting in line, you saw the video she is shoving the other customers items off the conveyor belt over and over. Can't hear anything but several testified she was also yelling. The video of her departure and what happened with the police is severely limited. We do not see any confrontation at the register-- something both police and she say happened. Many people testified against her and there was a lot more that was said to have happened.

Either way-- let’s pretend all she did was continued to block the other woman from checking out-- which she did on the video. You can she her doing such repeatedly.

No matter how you slice it that is ‘disturbing the peace’. She was offered a plea deal TWO years ago for disturbing the peace... she refused to accept it. So they charge her with everything she did that evening. Sorry this was HER fault period.

She HAD NO right to touch and shove that other patrons items, trying to block her from checking out. And you had better believe that if ANYONE tried that shit with me I would be calling the cops- no matter what color their skin. She was disturbing the peace in trying to get her way.

Any person of any color doing that would have had the cops called on them for the same thing she did. This was not turned into race except by the media and those who wish to pretend that this girl "only cut the line".

Your point is understood, but the point remains that this incident did not warrant facing a 15 year sentence, yelling and pushing people's items to the side is not a serious "crime" though it was very rude, and inconsiderate. All in all there is no justification for her facing a 15 year sentence. The same "plea deal" they're offering now should have been what they originally charged her with.

I agree with you. However she was offered a plea deal TWO years ago, no jail time probation only for 1 year. She should have taken he deal instead she and her parents scream racism and refused the deal.

Well considering the history of how police deal with African Americans in an unfair way, can you blame her? racism is not always something that is done blatantly, some people are unaware that they may treating people differently based on race.