Voting Machines are corrupting our elections.

[DonaldFG]

Even if the good guys have more popularity with voters, it is likely voting machine manipulations will make sure they don't get elected.

Why has nothing been done to fix these unverifiable voting machines? Our law makers have dropped the issue, and citizens seem to have forgotten this very serious problem as another major election looms on the horizon.

Nobody seems interested in having fair elections!

Here is an example of what we should be doing:
1504.07098 Secure and Verifiable Electronic Voting in Practice the use of vVote in the Victorian State Election

 

[dilloduck]

What difference doe it make ? All the candidates are corrupt too.

 

[Kosh]

Voting machines have not stopped dead people from voting..

 

[g5000]

The problem is not so much with the machines as it is with the operators. Little old ladies in Depends diapers who don't even know how to make their home answering machine work are operating state-of-the-art computers upon which our democracy rests.

Lack of training. Incompetence. That's the root of the problem. Not corruption.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

 

[CrusaderFrank]

The Statist in either party will never, ever allow fair elections

 

[g5000]

From Poorly Trained Workers to Broken Voting Machines, A Litany of Problems Reported on Primary Day

 

[CultureCitizen]

Voting machines should be banned they are way too easy to hack. Plain pencil and paper is enough to carry an election.

 

[g5000]

To pull off the kind of election fraud fantasized by the uninformed would require an army of conspirators. Our politicians can't even keep an Oval Office blowjob a secret. Even the paid professional Watergate conspirators were a posse of clowns.

Manipulating the number of votes cast in a voting district would have to be small scale enough to go undetected. Since the manipulation would have to be small, you would have to select districts which have razor thin margins against your candidate.

You can't know ahead of time with surgical precision which voting districts are going to be so close as to affect a national outcome and thus eligible for undetected manipulation. You also can't just manipulate one or two districts to carry a state. You will have to distort several districts in each target state. So you would have to pull off wide scale fraud across a massive number of districts, nationwide, to ensure certain victory, all while going completely undetected. And this would require a large coordinated effort involving many dozens of people across the entire country who would take their secrets to the grave.

This just can't, and doesn't, happen.

Those people who get caught committing fraud are small time retards. They cast two or three votes in what has to be the most futilely stupid risk ever, which has no chance of changing the outcome of an election.

Why do they do it? Who knows. They are, by definition, stupid and egocentric.

 

[CultureCitizen]

This just can't, and doesn't, happen.

Those people who get caught committing fraud are small time retards. They cast two or three votes in what has to be the most futilely stupid risk ever, which has no chance of changing the outcome of an election.

Why do they do it? Who knows. They are, by definition, stupid and egocentric.

Way too naive. There are so many ways to hack voting machines : pluging a USB with a trojan horse, altering the data packets sent through the internet, altering the software. There is no practical way of auditing the software of thousands of voting machines.
Watch this video, and let me know if you've changed your mind.

 

[DonaldFG]

What difference doe it make ? All the candidates are corrupt too.

No, not all of them! You have to be willing to listen to all the candidates and what they are saying. The media funnel shoving us into the two major political parties are distorting our choices. Well informed decisions by voters will take us in the right direction.

 

[DonaldFG]

Voting machines have not stopped dead people from voting..

That's a non-problem if you actually look at the statistics. Machine manipulation is the far worse problem.

 

[dilloduck]

What difference doe it make ? All the candidates are corrupt too.

No, not all of them! You have to be willing to listen to all the candidates and what they are saying. The media funnel shoving us into the two major political parties are distorting our choices. Well informed decisions by voters will take us in the right direction.

Who are you kidding ? You get to choose for the two major corrupt parties every year. They control what we hear from any other candidate and restrict debates.

 

[DonaldFG]

The problem is not so much with the machines as it is with the operators. Little old ladies in Depends diapers who don't even know how to make their home answering machine work are operating state-of-the-art computers upon which our democracy rests.

Lack of training. Incompetence. That's the root of the problem. Not corruption.

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Apparently, you are not aware of the lack of verifiability in the current touch-screen machines. We should have machines as demonstrated in the link of my post where the voter gets a printout that can be verified later if required. This is the only way to have a genuine recount when contested.

 

[DonaldFG]

The Statist in either party will never, ever allow fair elections

It's not up to them; it is up to us to force the issue with our numbers, Crusader.

 

[g5000]

This just can't, and doesn't, happen.

Those people who get caught committing fraud are small time retards. They cast two or three votes in what has to be the most futilely stupid risk ever, which has no chance of changing the outcome of an election.

Why do they do it? Who knows. They are, by definition, stupid and egocentric.

Way too naive. There are so many ways to hack voting machines : pluging a USB with a trojan horse, altering the data packets sent through the internet, altering the software. There is no practical way of auditing the software of thousands of voting machines.
Watch this video, and let me know if you've changed your mind.

I know they are hackable. Any computer is.

Just because they CAN be hacked, doesn't mean they ARE.

Like I said, it would take an army of conspirators.

 

[DonaldFG]

Voting machines should be banned they are way too easy to hack. Plain pencil and paper is enough to carry an election.

The way our current machines work, I would rather go back to the paper ballot. But we do have better technology available, and it can be verified.

 

[Mac1958]

The zealots on both ends of the spectrum have become so crazed that I wouldn't put it past either to somehow rig voting machines.

Tech is great, but I'd rather have ballots that can be counted (or-recounted).

We have enough on our hands dealing with the liars and thugs those elections put in office.

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[DonaldFG]

To pull off the kind of election fraud fantasized by the uninformed would require an army of conspirators. Our politicians can't even keep an Oval Office blowjob a secret. Even the paid professional Watergate conspirators were a posse of clowns.

Manipulating the number of votes cast in a voting district would have to be small scale enough to go undetected. Since the manipulation would have to be small, you would have to select districts which have razor thin margins against your candidate.

You can't know ahead of time with surgical precision which voting districts are going to be so close as to affect a national outcome and thus eligible for undetected manipulation. You also can't just manipulate one or two districts to carry a state. You will have to distort several districts in each target state. So you would have to pull off wide scale fraud across a massive number of districts, nationwide, to ensure certain victory, all while going completely undetected. And this would require a large coordinated effort involving many dozens of people across the entire country who would take their secrets to the grave.

This just can't, and doesn't, happen.

Those people who get caught committing fraud are small time retards. They cast two or three votes in what has to be the most futilely stupid risk ever, which has no chance of changing the outcome of an election.

Why do they do it? Who knows. They are, by definition, stupid and egocentric.

On the contrary, G, electronic machines that have no verification methods (as our current machines) allow manipulation by multiple means on a vast scale. Vote tally reversals can be built-in to the software - has been detected upon investigation. A back-door password on networked machines could flip results - also has been detected. Etc., etc.

Since there is so little real discussion about political issues and solutions in our society in group meetings (aside from political party meetings), citizens don't really know how other voters in their regions are voting. Thus, the vote can go in either direction without them getting terribly surprised.

I strongly believe all communities should have regular town hall meetings to discuss issues, local, state, and national. And these meetings should not be run by elected representatives from those areas of government or their political parties, but by local folks.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Voting machines should be banned they are way too easy to hack. Plain pencil and paper is enough to carry an election.

Ignorant bullshit.

God I hate stupid people who spew shit about things they have no clue about...

 

[CultureCitizen]

I know they are hackable. Any computer is.

Just because they CAN be hacked, doesn't mean they ARE.

Like I said, it would take an army of conspirators.

As the video says : In an election you don't trust any single entity . There are literally trillions at stake.

So the question is not if you are being paranoid , but rather if you're being paranoid enough.