Vermont governor abandons single-payer health care plan

[JakeStarkey]

No, Shakles moved the goals by posting his comments above out of context, as you have done, Listening, also. The article is quite clear that universal health care works well at a lesser cost. And you are deflecting again with the Obama comment.

This began because you mislabeled your OP.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shakles made it so, and he failed to put matters into context, as you also fail to do.

The reply was in response to the subject of the Canadian health care system. Why is it that you are the only one that had trouble following the subject of the discussion that you feel the need to drift off in a tangent?

By concentrating only on Canada instead of including the information that other programs works well, you attempt to insinuate that universal health care is a failure, which it certainly is not.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

Shakles made it so, and he failed to put matters into context, as you also fail to do.

The reply was in response to the subject of the Canadian health care system. Why is it that you are the only one that had trouble following the subject of the discussion that you feel the need to drift off in a tangent?

By concentrating only on Canada instead of including the information that other programs works well, you attempt to insinuate that universal health care is a failure, which it certainly is not.

Jake, which health care program was Pogo specifically addressing and named that I responded to? It's really an easy basic question to have answered, is it not?

 

[Ava]

No one ever has much support for you.

Why? The Ls of course: you are a loser and laughable.

I have support for each of you. You both bring energy to the site and I thank you.

 

[Listening]

Shakles made it so, and he failed to put matters into context, as you also fail to do.

The reply was in response to the subject" of that discussion which was the Canadian health care "system. Why is it that you are the only one that had trouble following the subject at hand that you feel the need to drift off in a tangent all by yourself?

It's what makes him Fakey....

That and his pending trip to Omaha.......

 

[Listening]

No one ever has much support for you.

Why? The Ls of course: you are a loser and laughable.

I have support for each of you. You both bring energy to the site and I thank you.

You are the greatest....

Merry Christmas.

 

[Papageorgio]

I am not even going to go into how the problem has not been defined...so the solution is never clear.

My point in posting this is that they are looking at it and they should learn some things.

Obama would have done well to look at Tenncare which has been around a long long time.

Now....

If Mass has Romneycare....

Tenn has Tenncare......

Vermont gets something.....

Are not the states doing the will of the people......

And if the will of the people in a state is that they don't want it......

Then let's scrap this mess they call Obamacare.

Glad you came around to state level health care for the people.

Good for you. And the people have ACA who can't or won't do through the state.

Shut up Jake....

I've always been for states having that conversation. That does not mean they have to do it....it's up to them.

F**k that ACA.

Got that trip to Omaha rescheduled ?

It's good to see that you are moderating.

So is Antares. That is smart of him. And you, too.

You are full of shit.

When was that Omaha trip ?

Starks is a full out liar and he doesn't have the balls to admit when he is wrong, he twists words and has no values, I see no purpose in putting any weight into what he says.

 

[Papageorgio]

Shakles made it so, and he failed to put matters into context, as you also fail to do.

The reply was in response to the subject of the Canadian health care system. Why is it that you are the only one that had trouble following the subject of the discussion that you feel the need to drift off in a tangent?

By concentrating only on Canada instead of including the information that other programs works well, you attempt to insinuate that universal health care is a failure, which it certainly is not.

Jake, which health care program was Pogo specifically addressing and named that I responded to? It's really an easy basic question to have answered, is it not?

You can't have a conversation with the dishonest and Jake is dishonest.

 

[JakeStarkey]

No one ever has much support for you.

Why? The Ls of course: you are a loser and laughable.

I have support for each of you. You both bring energy to the site and I thank you.

You are the greatest....

Merry Christmas.

Thanks, Aqua Athena, and a Merry Christmas to you and yours.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shakles made it so, and he failed to put matters into context, as you also fail to do.

The reply was in response to the subject" of that discussion which was the Canadian health care "system. Why is it that you are the only one that had trouble following the subject at hand that you feel the need to drift off in a tangent all by yourself?

It's what makes him Fakey....

That and his pending trip to Omaha.......

In other words, you both defend taking conclusions out of context to build a false support for your premises.

Won't be allowed, my little ones.

Papa is merely voice farting.

So to be bring it up to this point.

The Vermont plan is delayed not "abandoned".

Much more successful universal health care plans and costs than Canada exist.

 

[Listening]

Shakles made it so, and he failed to put matters into context, as you also fail to do.

The reply was in response to the subject of the Canadian health care system. Why is it that you are the only one that had trouble following the subject of the discussion that you feel the need to drift off in a tangent?

By concentrating only on Canada instead of including the information that other programs works well, you attempt to insinuate that universal health care is a failure, which it certainly is not.

Jake, which health care program was Pogo specifically addressing and named that I responded to? It's really an easy basic question to have answered, is it not?

It gets even better.....

JakeTheFake whines about the comparisons.....

Here is from your article....

But the worst part is that things don't have to be this way. While Canadians are getting a raw deal for their health care dollars, patients in Belgium, France, Germany, Japan, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, and Switzerland receive universal access to health care without lengthy queues. Patients in Australia, Japan, Sweden, Switzerland, and France enjoy better outcomes from the health care process than Canadians from their universal access health care systems. And vitally, payers in these countries all face a smaller bill for health care than Canadians.

Do we get any data that compares the two ? No.

You can't get agreement on the data used for comparison (it certainly isn't the overstated WHO).

What does "better outcomes mean" ? He must have data between the two countries ? Does he ? We don't get to see it.

"Small bills" ? Again data ?

And then there is the whole comparison to the U.S. and Vermont in particular. Are the folks in Vermont to stupid to follow one of these better systems. Or is it that the people in these better systems simply pay more (or have a higher tax base because of natural resources) in taxes ?

What is the comparison here and why can't Vermont get it done.

I am not blaming Vermont or their governor.

But that is the question in the OP.

Until Fakey starts his little dance of stupidity we were having a pretty good conversation.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Listening, if you accept the comments about Canada, then you must accept the comments about the other countries.

Nuance.

Context.

Objectivity.

If you don't like the rest of it, then it is on you to disprove the author's evidence. And when you do that, you question the parts you do like.

Being a one-sided homer picking and choosing reveals an unbalanced personality and an unbalanced conversation.

 

[Listening]

For those of you who take the time to read....

This is from the article in post 1...

Calling it the biggest disappointment of his career, Gov. Peter Shumlin said Wednesday he was abandoning plans to make Vermont the first state in the country with a universal, publicly funded health care system.

 

[Listening]

Listening, if you accept the comments about Canada, then you must accept the comments about the other countries.

Nuance.

Context.

Objectivity.

If you don't like the rest of it, then it is on you to disprove the author's evidence. And when you do that, you question the parts you do like.

The author provided no evidence....asshole.

Get the **** off this thread.

 

[JakeStarkey]

For those of you who take the time to read....

This is from the article in post 1...

Calling it the biggest disappointment of his career, Gov. Peter Shumlin said Wednesday he was abandoning plans to make Vermont the first state in the country with a universal, publicly funded health care system.

Now you are expanding the OP, which means I forced to be honest. He will not have the "first state" and he is delaying not abandoning single payer for Vermont.

See how easy that was for you, L, to admit almost all of the truth.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Listening, if you accept the comments about Canada, then you must accept the comments about the other countries.

Nuance.

Context.

Objectivity.

If you don't like the rest of it, then it is on you to disprove the author's evidence. And when you do that, you question the parts you do like.

The author provided no evidence....asshole. Get the **** off this thread.

You are now trolling your own thread. Listening, if you pick and choose, you will get that kicked up your ass. If you pick and choose, you get made to look dumb and dishonest.

 

[Listening]

From the article:

Legislation Shumlin signed in 2011 put the state on a path to move beyond the federal Affordable Care Act by 2017 to a health care system more similar to that in neighboring Canada. Shumlin adopted the mantra that access to quality health care should be "a right and not a privilege."

The legislation called for the administration to produce a plan for financing the Green Mountain Care system by 2013 but it wasn't completed until the last several days. Shumlin said it showed the plan would require an 11.5 percent payroll tax on businesses and an income tax separate from the one the state already has of up to 9.5 percent.

Shumlin said small business owners would be hit with both, and he repeatedly expressed concern about whether those businesses, many of which now don't offer health insurance or offer much less costly insurance, could cover the new expense.

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Greenbeard provided some help on this, but without the actual numbers, one can only assume it was a loser for the state of Vermont.

11.5 percent payroll tax !!!

More state income tax !!!

What is not stated is if the governor was looking for a zero sum effort or if he had an "acceptable" level of payroll tax increase he was willing to tolerate.

Additional numbers would be great.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Which means he is delaying not abandoning.

Be truthful.

 

[Listening]

Listening, if you accept the comments about Canada, then you must accept the comments about the other countries.

Nuance.

Context.

Objectivity.

If you don't like the rest of it, then it is on you to disprove the author's evidence. And when you do that, you question the parts you do like.

The author provided no evidence....asshole. Get the **** off this thread.

You are now trolling your own thread. Listening, if you pick and choose, you will get that kicked up your ass. If you pick and choose, you get made to look dumb and dishonest.

Nobody cares about you Jake.

I have to wonder if even your imaginary family doesn't think your are a jackass.

You are now posting to read your own stuff.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Insults in place of argument because you have been corrected appropriately.

You have lost your own thread, yet again.

So in conclusion: Vermont will not be the first state to single payer (which was not your OP), the plan is being not abandoned (as per your OP) but delayed.

This will always be the end of any poster who posts falsely, as you have done above.