Verdict reached in Karmelo murder trial

[RetiredGySgt]

Well, that was a perfectly good defense for Rittenhouse
And ZImmerman
And Chow
And Reeves

"That person made me feel mildly threatened, so I had to shoot them!!!"

good god you LIE so much.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Because the sentence is excessive, and much less than white people have gotten for the same crime or worse.

That's laughable, it was not 'excessive', he murdered that kid and he could have gotten life, and instead he's likely to be out while he's still in his 30's.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Actually, they were both good students, they were both athletes.

And toxic masculinity led to a tragedy for both of them.

So insecure white people got them a black person to lynch, and that makes them happy, even though it doesn't address their underlying fears.

Jesus what a crybaby you are. "Toxic masculinity", lol!

 

[ThisIsMe]

your

your shortcomings are not my problem,,

theres been enough 1st hand witnesses to confirm we got the right man and his due process was fully given and justice has been served,,

have a nice day,,

After a few weeks, turns out that there is no surveillance footage that shows what really happened. So yeah, all of these people who claimed they have seen the footage and know what happened are lying

 

[ThisIsMe]

There is no "right side".

Two kids got into a fight. One of them felt threatened enough to use a knife.

Either one of them could have de-escalated this situation.

So what you’re saying is, if someone approaches you and you “feel” threatened, you have the right to kill them?

 

[eagle1462010]

After a few weeks, turns out that there is no surveillance footage that shows what really happened. So yeah, all of these people who claimed they have seen the footage and know what happened are lying

Jury decided already based on witness statements.

Perhaps kids these days should stop carrying weapons into schools. Or at a track meet.

Kid stabbed the other kid. Pretty open and shut case

 

[JoeB131]

That's laughable, it was not 'excessive', he murdered that kid and he could have gotten life, and instead he's likely to be out while he's still in his 30's.

He'll be out sooner than that.

SO many reverseable appeal issues

Blacks excluded from the Jury, we can start there.

Moving on to the judge refusing to allow negligent manslaughter as an option.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

He'll be out sooner than that.

SO many reverseable appeal issues

Blacks excluded from the Jury, we can start there.

Moving on to the judge refusing to allow negligent manslaughter as an option.

He's a killer, and here you are defending him ALL BECAUSE he's black. You should be ashamed of your blatant racism.

 

[DigitalDrifter]

He'll be out sooner than that.

SO many reverseable appeal issues

Blacks excluded from the Jury, we can start there.

Moving on to the judge refusing to allow negligent manslaughter as an option.

What Karmelo Anthony's appeal could look like - and why experts agree it's unlikely to succeed​

Experts agree Karmelo Anthony's appeal of his murder conviction will likely be unsuccessful, despite various legal issues that may be raised in court surrounding the contentious trial.

A Collin County jury sentenced 19-year-old Anthony to 35 years in prison last week, after he was found guilty of murdering 17-year-old Austin Metcalf at a Frisco ISD track meet last year. Supporters of Anthony were quick to criticize the decision as unjust, and Anthony's legal team filed a notice of appeal a day after the verdict.

Anthony's case is now making its way to the 5th Court of Appeals in Dallas, where appellate justices will review the trial proceedings to confirm or overturn the jury's decision. But defense attorneys, a law professor, and a former criminal trial judge say the verdict is likely to stand, despite case elements that raised questions about the fairness of the proceedings.

"Appellate courts generally don't like to disturb a jury verdict - that is almost sacred," said Daryl Washington, a Dallas-based civil rights attorney not associated with the case. "But I will tell you, it was a difficult case."

SMU law professor Eric Ruben agreed that appellate justices are likely to defer to the jury's judgment on the facts of the case.

"Appellate judges are especially disinclined to second-guess the fact determinations of juries," SMU law professor Eric Ruben said. "They're more likely to focus on legal problems in the sorts of decisions that the judge was making."

MSN

 

[JoeB131]

He's a killer, and here you are defending him ALL BECAUSE he's black. You should be ashamed of your blatant racism.

No, that would be the people who defended Rittenhouse and Zimmerman.

I think he should be punished, but appropriately. Which is the same 10 years that Caysen Allison got for negligent homicide.

"Appellate judges are especially disinclined to second-guess the fact determinations of juries," SMU law professor Eric Ruben said. "They're more likely to focus on legal problems in the sorts of decisions that the judge was making."

And that would be enough. This judge made some shit decisions, such as allowing the prosecution to exclude any black jurors.

This isn't the Jim Crow days, as much as you might pine for them.

 

[AZrailwhale]

He'll be out sooner than that.

SO many reverseable appeal issues

Blacks excluded from the Jury, we can start there.

Moving on to the judge refusing to allow negligent manslaughter as an option.

Wrong, about the only cause for an overturn would be ineffective assistance of counsel. Anthony's lawyer was terrible; the parents went cheap instead of good despite having over six tenths of a million dollars to spend.

 

[Lisa558]

Wrong, about the only cause for an overturn would be ineffective assistance of counsel. Anthony's lawyer was terrible; the parents went cheap instead of good despite having over six tenths of a million dollars to spend.

Fancy cars and big house rentals don’t come cheap!

 

[DigitalDrifter]

No, that would be the people who defended Rittenhouse and Zimmerman.

I think he should be punished, but appropriately. Which is the same 10 years that Caysen Allison got for negligent homicide.


And that would be enough. This judge made some shit decisions, such as allowing the prosecution to exclude any black jurors.

This isn't the Jim Crow days, as much as you might pine for them.

I agree, the killer should be punished appropriately. He should have been given life.

You really do have a problem understanding that just because someone in another case received a light sentence, doesn't mean then that all sentences should be light. In this one, the jury found that Anthony murdered his victim, and it wasn't out of self-defense. They could have given him life, so you should be happy that your hero will likely be out in 17 years.

 

[krichton]

Um, okay, that's a lot of rationalization for repeatedly knifing a smaller kid.

It's a rationalization which makes complete sense. You don't carry a knife around because you fell secure for your safety.

Can I ask how big you actually think Allison was since you cite Ramirez as the "smaller kid?"

So if Allison could feel threatened by a smaller kid, then why couldn't Anthony feel threatened by larger ones?

If Anthony actually felt threatened he would never have walked into another team's tent to begin with, and then refused to leave on top of that. That doesn't sound like he had any fear at all. And he probably felt this way because he was secure in the knowledge he could simply knife someone if they got close to him, which is precisely what he threatened and what he did. How you can look at that situation as "self defense" is really beyond me. This is in born criminal behavior from start to finish, not prompted by anything.

"Killing in self-defense" seems to be another example of white privilege.

If it is, it's probably a reputation that has been earned. Just like the reputations blacks have built for themselves over many decades. You reap what you sow.

No one is justifying a murder. I'm just pointing out that it was at best, negiligent manslaughter, and not first degree murder.

Negligent manslaughter is when have zero intent to harm or kill and no perception that what you're doing would end up killing anyone. One example would be driving your car while distracted.

Let's put it another way. You are the family of Joe Ramirez. For days this little punk has been bragging on social media how he's going to put your son in a hospital. Then he knifes him and only gets 10 years? You seem to think that's okay.

I'm saying that there should be some consistency in sentencing. If the White Boy gets consideration, so should the black boy.

This is the type of evidence that might have been relevant to that case if Allison had planned to ambush Ramirez at some vulnerable time in order to murder him. Fortunately for him, that isn't even remotely what occurred.

Both cases are completely unrelated aside from the fact that 2 ppl died from knife wounds. Conflating one with the other and screaming racism does not make it so.

Again, if they killed someone I cared about, they wouldn't have to worry about a trial. The Army taught me dozens of creative ways to unalive people.

But the system should put just as much value on the lives of victims of color as they give to white vicitms, and they should give just as much benefit of the doubt to black suspects as they give to white suspects.

But I live in the real world, where a white person is given a warning by the police about a traffic violation, while a black person is pulled over, handcuffed, and a search of his car is conducted.

If the person who killed Metcalf was white, he would have gotten the same sentence, based on the evidence.

Why don't you ask black cops whether they go easier on black suspects and see what they say. If anything they probably go much harder than a white cop on their own people.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

It was her house.

Zimmerman didn't have to follow Trayvon into the complex, but he did. In fact, the police SPECIFICALLY told him NOT to chase the kid.



No, retarded is applying harsh rules against blacks while giving white people the benefit of the doubt.

20 years for a warning shot is a case of prosecutorial overreach by a racist DA. The same DA that had to be pressured into filing charges against Zimmerman, who put on a half-ass case.


Caysen Allison committed murder. He got 10 years.

The dispatcher told Zimmerman "You don't have to do that." Which is NOT specifically telling him to do anything.

 

[krichton]

He'll be out sooner than that.

SO many reverseable appeal issues

Blacks excluded from the Jury, we can start there.

Moving on to the judge refusing to allow negligent manslaughter as an option.

The absence of blacks on a jury is not appealable. Appellate courts are very unlikely to overturn a jury verdict. Negligent manslaught is also not applicable to this case. I think you mean negligent homicide, which also wouldn't apply.

 

[Unkotare]

Bullying is in the eye of the beholder.

A pair of bigger kids start pushing me around, I would feel bullied

You could beg those girls to stop.

 

[AZrailwhale]

It's a rationalization which makes complete sense. You don't carry a knife around because you fell secure for your safety.

Can I ask how big you actually think Allison was since you cite Ramirez as the "smaller kid?"




If Anthony actually felt threatened he would never have walked into another team's tent to begin with, and then refused to leave on top of that. That doesn't sound like he had any fear at all. And he probably felt this way because he was secure in the knowledge he could simply knife someone if they got close to him, which is precisely what he threatened and what he did. How you can look at that situation as "self defense" is really beyond me. This is in born criminal behavior from start to finish, not prompted by anything.



If it is, it's probably a reputation that has been earned. Just like the reputations blacks have built for themselves over many decades. You reap what you sow.



Negligent manslaughter is when have zero intent to harm or kill and no perception that what you're doing would end up killing anyone. One example would be driving your car while distracted.




This is the type of evidence that might have been relevant to that case if Allison had planned to ambush Ramirez at some vulnerable time in order to murder him. Fortunately for him, that isn't even remotely what occurred.

Both cases are completely unrelated aside from the fact that 2 ppl died from knife wounds. Conflating one with the other and screaming racism does not make it so.



If the person who killed Metcalf was white, he would have gotten the same sentence, based on the evidence.

Why don't you ask black cops whether they go easier on black suspects and see what they say. If anything they probably go much harder than a white cop on their own people.

My guess is a white would have gotten a much stiffer sentence than Anthony.