Verdict reached in Karmelo murder trial

[AZrailwhale]

oh, sure, I got into all sorts of fights as a kid.

When I was young and dumb and stupid.

Didn't make it right, no matter who started it.

Did you stab anyone who pushed you? If Anthony had done what you likely dod, shove back, this would just have been a typical schoolyard scuffle.

 

[JoeB131]

Did you stab anyone who pushed you? If Anthony had done what you likely dod, shove back, this would just have been a typical schoolyard scuffle.

Okay, I'm gonig to repeat this to you really slowly.

I think what Karmelo did was wrong.

I don't think it was first-degree murder, any more than what Caysen Allison did was first-degree murder.

But this tragedy wouldn't have happened if the Metcalf brothers hadn't been a couple of jock bullies.

 

[Lockback]

Okay, I'm gonig to repeat this to you really slowly.

I think what Karmelo did was wrong.

I don't think it was first-degree murder, any more than what Caysen Allison did was first-degree murder.

But this tragedy wouldn't have happened if the Metcalf brothers hadn't been a couple of jock bullies.

That's some super weak shit.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Okay, I'm gonig to repeat this to you really slowly.

I think what Karmelo did was wrong.

I don't think it was first-degree murder, any more than what Caysen Allison did was first-degree murder.

But this tragedy wouldn't have happened if the Metcalf brothers hadn't been a couple of jock bullies.

NO ONE, NOT ONE, of the witnesses testified that Metcalf bullied him, to include all the black witnesses. NO fight occurred. Stop your lying.

 

[Lockback]

NO ONE, NOT ONE, of the witnesses testified that Metcalf bullied him, to include all the black witnesses. NO fight occurred. Stop your lying.

He's a liar.
Always has been. Anything to push the Far Left agenda.

 

[Jarlaxle]

You never shoved a kid in school, never had another kid shove you?

I figure him for a hall monitor.

NO ONE, NOT ONE, of the witnesses testified that Metcalf bullied him, to include all the black witnesses. NO fight occurred. Stop your lying.

It's all he has.

 

[JoeB131]

NO ONE, NOT ONE, of the witnesses testified that Metcalf bullied him, to include all the black witnesses. NO fight occurred. Stop your lying.

Bullying is in the eye of the beholder.

A pair of bigger kids start pushing me around, I would feel bullied

 

[krichton]

So he put his hands on him. Sounds like bullying to me.

I don't go around putting my hands on people I don't know, do you? Seems like a very dumb thing to do.



They were threatening to file Federal Civil Rights charges.


Nope, she's a racist.


I'm not making that claim at all. SHE DIDN'T WANT TO CHARGE ZIMMERMAN! She didn't charge him until the public started screaming bloody murder and started a little thing called "Black Lives Matter" (Perhaps you heard of it? Trayvon's death was the inciting incident.) And even then, she did such a half-hearted job of it that of course he was acquitted by a mostly white jury.



Right, Joe Ramirez was a "bully".

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Seriously, does this kid look like he could "bully" anyone?

It's not just him, he's got a crew of deliquents who hovers around him constantly. Are you going to fight them all? That's why witnesses from his school all agreed he was a bully. The vast majority of kids are going to be afraid, and when one of his crewmates pulls a gun on you, that's going to going send your fight or flight senses through the roof from that moment on. Bear in mind, smaller kids bully big ones all the time, even without a crew of misfits supporting them. Not everyone is a fighter regardless of the size of your bully. It's incredible how out of touch you are.

Well, first, I would have raised my kid to not go around starting fights with strangers. In fact, I would tell them, "The world is full of crazy mother effers, and for some bizarre reason, we let them buy guns and own knives, so if you see someone doing something they shouldn't do, walk away, tell a teacher, don't get involved."

That's what I would have done.

The guy who says shit like 'Watermelon felon' probably didn't have the sense to do that.

And what if in that moment they allow their instincts to take over instead and push someone intruding on their space and being aggressive? Would that justify their murder, assuming they were even wrong in the first place? You're a liar if you say yes.

I'd probalby want to kill the SOB. But that's why we don't leave justice up to the victim's family, correct?

Right, we all would and that's my point. All your gaslighting about racism and unfair sentencing would go straight out the window in a nano second. Admitting so makes you look foolish fighting this hard over this case.

 

[Unkotare]

You never shoved a kid in school, never had another kid shove you?

JoeBlow? Yeah, right. He was stuffed into a locker.

 

[Unkotare]

Bullying is in the eye of the beholder.

A pair of bigger kids start pushing me around, I would feel bullied

I'm sure those girls felt bad about it later.

 

[Lisa558]

he has already stated several times that a push JUSTIFIED the murder.

Yes, he is defending the murder of a white boy, claiming “he started it” by giving the black murderer a shove.

 

[Lisa558]

It's not just him, he's got a crew of deliquents who hovers around him constantly. Are you going to fight them all? That's why witnesses from his school all agreed he was a bully. The vast majority of kids are going to be afraid, and when one of his crewmates pulls a gun on you, that's going to going send your fight or flight senses through the roof from that moment on. Bear in mind, smaller kids bully big ones all the time, even without a crew of misfits supporting them. Not everyone is a fighter regardless of the size of your bully. It's incredible how out of touch you are.



And what if in that moment they allow their instincts to take over instead and push someone intruding on their space and being aggressive? Would that justify their murder, assuming they were even wrong in the first place? You're a liar if you say yes.



Right, we all would and that's my point. All your gaslighting about racism and unfair sentencing would go straight out the window in a nano second. Admitting so makes you look foolish fighting this hard over this case.

He lives by a simple rule:

- If a black commits a horrendous crime, including a savage murder, it is never his fault.
- If something horrendous happens to Jews, including the Holocaust, it is always the Jews’ fault.

 

[JoeB131]

Yes, he is defending the murder of a white boy, claiming “he started it” by giving the black murderer a shove.

Well, that was a perfectly good defense for Rittenhouse
And ZImmerman
And Chow
And Reeves

"That person made me feel mildly threatened, so I had to shoot them!!!"

 

[JoeB131]

It's not just him, he's got a crew of deliquents who hovers around him constantly. Are you going to fight them all? That's why witnesses from his school all agreed he was a bully. The vast majority of kids are going to be afraid, and when one of his crewmates pulls a gun on you, that's going to going send your fight or flight senses through the roof from that moment on. Bear in mind, smaller kids bully big ones all the time, even without a crew of misfits supporting them. Not everyone is a fighter regardless of the size of your bully. It's incredible how out of touch you are.

Um, okay, that's a lot of rationalization for repeatedly knifing a smaller kid.

So if Allison could feel threatened by a smaller kid, then why couldn't Anthony feel threatened by larger ones?

"Killing in self-defense" seems to be another example of white privilege.

And what if in that moment they allow their instincts to take over instead and push someone intruding on their space and being aggressive? Would that justify their murder, assuming they were even wrong in the first place? You're a liar if you say yes.

No one is justifying a murder. I'm just pointing out that it was at best, negiligent manslaughter, and not first degree murder.

Let's put it another way. You are the family of Joe Ramirez. For days this little punk has been bragging on social media how he's going to put your son in a hospital. Then he knifes him and only gets 10 years? You seem to think that's okay.

I'm saying that there should be some consistency in sentencing. If the White Boy gets consideration, so should the black boy.

Right, we all would and that's my point. All your gaslighting about racism and unfair sentencing would go straight out the window in a nano second. Admitting so makes you look foolish fighting this hard over this case.

Again, if they killed someone I cared about, they wouldn't have to worry about a trial. The Army taught me dozens of creative ways to unalive people.

But the system should put just as much value on the lives of victims of color as they give to white vicitms, and they should give just as much benefit of the doubt to black suspects as they give to white suspects.

But I live in the real world, where a white person is given a warning by the police about a traffic violation, while a black person is pulled over, handcuffed, and a search of his car is conducted.

 

[JoeB131]

He lives by a simple rule:

• If a black commits a horrendous crime, including a savage murder, it is never his fault.
• If something horrendous happens to Jews, including the Holocaust, it is always the Jews’ fault.

Your inability to live with other people isn't my problem.

 

[Hafar1014]

Karmelo is the personification of everything thats wrong with black culture. Hes violent, has poor judgement, hes a coward, he never had future and he took the life of a man who was the exact opposite of him. He went out looking to start a confrontation, had knife with him showing intent, and after the stabbing he ran like the coward he is. Now hes going to be the butt boy for big Mustafa in prison. He deserves worse.

 

[JoeB131]

Karmelo is the personification of everything thats wrong with black culture. Hes violent, has poor judgement, hes a coward, he never had future and he took the life of a man who was the exact opposite of him. He went out looking to start a confrontation, had knife with him showing intent, and after the stabbing he ran like the coward he is. Now hes going to be the butt boy for big Mustafa in prison. He deserves worse.

Actually, they were both good students, they were both athletes.

And toxic masculinity led to a tragedy for both of them.

So insecure white people got them a black person to lynch, and that makes them happy, even though it doesn't address their underlying fears.

 

[Hafar1014]

Actually, they were both good students, they were both athletes.

And toxic masculinity led to a tragedy for both of them.

So insecure white people got them a black person to lynch, and that makes them happy, even though it doesn't address their underlying fears.

Equivocation is the last resort when you dont have facts or even an intelligent argument

 

[JoeB131]

Equivocation is the last resort when you dont have facts or even an intelligent argument

I have a very clear argument.

Murdering people in self-defense is white privilege.

 

[Lisa558]

Karmelo is the personification of everything thats wrong with black culture. Hes violent, has poor judgement, hes a coward, he never had future and he took the life of a man who was the exact opposite of him. He went out looking to start a confrontation, had knife with him showing intent, and after the stabbing he ran like the coward he is. Now hes going to be the butt boy for big Mustafa in prison. He deserves worse.

I say the Howard professor who blamed the poor white boy’s bereaved father personifies what’s wrong with the black culture. This racist said it was the white father’s fault for not teaching his son to show blacks proper respect!

Why didn’t he blame the black father for not teaching his son some modicum of civility - which would include not stabbing to death a boy who shoved him (after he was goaded into it)?!