US Military Responds To Arctic Warming

[flacaltenn]

What is so wrong about solar panels on all homes and nuclear?

It's dictatorial. Drives up the cost of housing and roof maintenance. Increases insurance costs. But more directly -- it's not cost effective anywhere above the Mason Dixon line...

AND it supplies energy for just 6 hours a day AT BEST.. You need MORE than that?

When you put panels on your home -- you are NOT powering your home from the sun.. You've made a decision to go into the energy generation business.. And swap generation with the big boys.. That's not a decision to make lightly or BE FORCED INTO.

 

[mamooth]

Solar panels DO work.

Meaning there will soon be a conservative campaign to push the dangers of "Solar Panel Syndrome". SPS will be declared the cause of:

Headaches
Irritability
Insomnia
Nausea
Weight loss
Weight gain
Dandruff
Tooth decay
Herpes

And 155 other maladies.

Naturally, cash will be a 100% effective cure.

 

[flacaltenn]

Solar panels DO work.

Meaning there will soon be a conservative campaign to push the dangers of "Solar Panel Syndrome". SPS will be declared the cause of:

Headaches
Irritability
Insomnia
Nausea
Weight loss
Weight gain
Dandruff
Tooth decay
Herpes

And 155 other maladies.

Naturally, cash will be a 100% effective cure.

You're the expert at propaganda campaigns --- get busy...
I've got my hands full fighting those Global Warming empowered roaches you invented..

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Doe you damn fools seriously believe that if dinosaurs had a worldwide covenant to quit farting they'd all be alive today? If so, idiots, where in hell would YOU be? What Earth wants to do it will do and you ain't gonna stop it. But if you could, then might you not be personally responsible for preventing the eventual evolution of a far more intelligent life-form?

There's nothing at all about any of the AGWCult that screams "more intelligent life-form at work"

 

[RollingThunder]

Doe you damn fools seriously believe that if dinosaurs had a worldwide covenant to quit farting they'd all be alive today? If so, idiots, where in hell would YOU be? What Earth wants to do it will do and you ain't gonna stop it. But if you could, then might you not be personally responsible for preventing the eventual evolution of a far more intelligent life-form?

There's nothing at all about any of the AGWCult that screams "more intelligent life-form at work"

We can always count on the CrazyFruitcake to agree with the most ignorant and retarded post on any thread. And then to add something even more moronic.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Doe you damn fools seriously believe that if dinosaurs had a worldwide covenant to quit farting they'd all be alive today? If so, idiots, where in hell would YOU be? What Earth wants to do it will do and you ain't gonna stop it. But if you could, then might you not be personally responsible for preventing the eventual evolution of a far more intelligent life-form?

There's nothing at all about any of the AGWCult that screams "more intelligent life-form at work"

We can always count on the CrazyFruitcake to agree with the most ignorant and retarded post on any thread.

You can use the profits from the Nigerian Diamond mine you guys just bought from the son of the jailed finance Minister to bring ships full of ice to the Arctic

 

[RollingThunder]

There's nothing at all about any of the AGWCult that screams "more intelligent life-form at work"

We can always count on the CrazyFruitcake to agree with the most ignorant and retarded post on any thread.

You can use the profits from the Nigerian Diamond mine you guys just bought from the son of the jailed finance Minister to bring ships full of ice to the Arctic

"And then to add something even more moronic." Right on cue.

 

[flacaltenn]

I got interested in this OP again today after hearing a different slant from the Weather Channel (aka The AGW Party Pravda). Interesting how what Hagel ACTUALLY said and what the new policy is ACTUALLY ABOUT --- doesn't get the lead in the AGW media..

Global Warming Dictating US Defense Strategy? How Climate Change Is Spurring The New 'Arctic Strategy' [Maps]


“The Arctic is at a crucial point in its transformation from a relatively isolated region to one where receding ice is enabling increased human access,” Hagel said in a statement. “As climate change and the viability of new energy sources shape the global environment, these shifts will affect our strategic outlook going forward, especially in the Arctic.”

“Record low extents of Arctic sea ice over the past decade have focused scientific and policy attention on links to global climate change and projected ice-free seasons in the Arctic within decades,” a Congressional Research Service report stated in August. “These changes have potential consequences for weather in the United States, access to mineral and biological resources in the Arctic, the economies and cultures of peoples in the region, and national security.”

Speaking at the Halifax International Security Forum in Canada, Hagel said the Arctic needs to be secure and stable where U.S. “national interests are safeguarded, the U.S. homeland is protected, and nations work cooperatively to address challenges.”

The development of Arctic oil and gas is part of a “broader energy security strategy, including our economic, environmental and climate policy objectives,” according to the May 2013 White House document.

Since 2005, $3.7 billion in commercial investments have been made in offshore leases, and the amount of exploration and investment in the region is likely to rise as ice continues to melt. But the melting ice and opening of sea lanes could destabilize the Arctic region as countries like the U.S. and Russia may dispute claims to sea areas that were unreachable before.

Admin officials are on record saying that the "danger" is actually due to an ECONOMIC BOOM for the Countries with Arctic access. And this policy address is to "protect our claims and interests"..

Gosh --- this sounds a lot like the [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION] Doctrine dont it? Where Global Warming actually promotes economy and commerce.

 

[Abraham3]

The Westwall Doctrine. I'll have to remember that one.

 

[westwall]

I got interested in this OP again today after hearing a different slant from the Weather Channel (aka The AGW Party Pravda). Interesting how what Hagel ACTUALLY said and what the new policy is ACTUALLY ABOUT --- doesn't get the lead in the AGW media..

Global Warming Dictating US Defense Strategy? How Climate Change Is Spurring The New 'Arctic Strategy' [Maps]


“The Arctic is at a crucial point in its transformation from a relatively isolated region to one where receding ice is enabling increased human access,” Hagel said in a statement. “As climate change and the viability of new energy sources shape the global environment, these shifts will affect our strategic outlook going forward, especially in the Arctic.”

“Record low extents of Arctic sea ice over the past decade have focused scientific and policy attention on links to global climate change and projected ice-free seasons in the Arctic within decades,” a Congressional Research Service report stated in August. “These changes have potential consequences for weather in the United States, access to mineral and biological resources in the Arctic, the economies and cultures of peoples in the region, and national security.”

Speaking at the Halifax International Security Forum in Canada, Hagel said the Arctic needs to be secure and stable where U.S. “national interests are safeguarded, the U.S. homeland is protected, and nations work cooperatively to address challenges.”

The development of Arctic oil and gas is part of a “broader energy security strategy, including our economic, environmental and climate policy objectives,” according to the May 2013 White House document.

Since 2005, $3.7 billion in commercial investments have been made in offshore leases, and the amount of exploration and investment in the region is likely to rise as ice continues to melt. But the melting ice and opening of sea lanes could destabilize the Arctic region as countries like the U.S. and Russia may dispute claims to sea areas that were unreachable before.

Admin officials are on record saying that the "danger" is actually due to an ECONOMIC BOOM for the Countries with Arctic access. And this policy address is to "protect our claims and interests"..

Gosh --- this sounds a lot like the [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION] Doctrine dont it? Where Global Warming actually promotes economy and commerce.

Westwall Doctrine... I quite like that!

 

[RollingThunder]

I got interested in this OP again today after hearing a different slant from the Weather Channel (aka The AGW Party Pravda). Interesting how what Hagel ACTUALLY said and what the new policy is ACTUALLY ABOUT --- doesn't get the lead in the AGW media..

Global Warming Dictating US Defense Strategy? How Climate Change Is Spurring The New 'Arctic Strategy' [Maps]

“The Arctic is at a crucial point in its transformation from a relatively isolated region to one where receding ice is enabling increased human access,” Hagel said in a statement. “As climate change and the viability of new energy sources shape the global environment, these shifts will affect our strategic outlook going forward, especially in the Arctic.”

“Record low extents of Arctic sea ice over the past decade have focused scientific and policy attention on links to global climate change and projected ice-free seasons in the Arctic within decades,” a Congressional Research Service report stated in August. “These changes have potential consequences for weather in the United States, access to mineral and biological resources in the Arctic, the economies and cultures of peoples in the region, and national security.”

Speaking at the Halifax International Security Forum in Canada, Hagel said the Arctic needs to be secure and stable where U.S. “national interests are safeguarded, the U.S. homeland is protected, and nations work cooperatively to address challenges.”

The development of Arctic oil and gas is part of a “broader energy security strategy, including our economic, environmental and climate policy objectives,” according to the May 2013 White House document.

Since 2005, $3.7 billion in commercial investments have been made in offshore leases, and the amount of exploration and investment in the region is likely to rise as ice continues to melt. But the melting ice and opening of sea lanes could destabilize the Arctic region as countries like the U.S. and Russia may dispute claims to sea areas that were unreachable before.

Admin officials are on record saying that the "danger" is actually due to an ECONOMIC BOOM for the Countries with Arctic access. And this policy address is to "protect our claims and interests"..

Gosh --- this sounds a lot like the [MENTION=23239]westwall[/MENTION] Doctrine dont it? Where Global Warming actually promotes economy and commerce.

Actually the "westwall doctrine" seems to consist of: "if I can just keep my head jammed up my ass long enough, maybe all this AGW stuff will just go away".

And of course the fecalhead 'doctrine' consists of continuous ignorant denial of reality, coupled with absurd conspiracy theories.

"Oh, they didn't really mean what they were saying", ol' fecalhead proclaims. LOLOLOL.

In reality, the Pentagon has been seriously considering the security issues and challenges involved in global warming/climate change for quite some time now and planning for their possible responses.

Here's an article from four years ago talking about this issue.

Climate Change Seen as Threat to U.S. Security
The New York Times
By JOHN M. BRODER
Published: August 8, 2009
(excerpts)

WASHINGTON — The changing global climate will pose profound strategic challenges to the United States in coming decades, raising the prospect of military intervention to deal with the effects of violent storms, drought, mass migration and pandemics, military and intelligence analysts say. Such climate-induced crises could topple governments, feed terrorist movements or destabilize entire regions, say the analysts, experts at the Pentagon and intelligence agencies who for the first time are taking a serious look at the national security implications of climate change. Recent war games and intelligence studies conclude that over the next 20 to 30 years, vulnerable regions, particularly sub-Saharan Africa, the Middle East and South and Southeast Asia, will face the prospect of food shortages, water crises and catastrophic flooding driven by climate change that could demand an American humanitarian relief or military response.

The Pentagon and the State Department have studied issues arising from dependence on foreign sources of energy for years but are only now considering the effects of global warming in their long-term planning documents. The Pentagon will include a climate section in the Quadrennial Defense Review, due in February; the State Department will address the issue in its new Quadrennial Diplomacy and Development Review. “The sense that climate change poses security and geopolitical challenges is central to the thinking of the State Department and the climate office,” said Peter Ogden, chief of staff to Todd Stern, the State Department’s top climate negotiator. The National Intelligence Council, which produces government-wide intelligence analyses, finished the first assessment of the national security implications of climate change just last year. It concluded that climate change by itself would have significant geopolitical impacts around the world and would contribute to a host of problems, including poverty, environmental degradation and the weakening of national governments. The intelligence community is preparing a series of reports on the impacts of climate change on individual countries like China and India, a study of alternative fuels and a look at how major power relations could be strained by a changing climate.

 

[flacaltenn]

You've been watchin waaaay to many Sharknado and Day After Tomorrow movies on SciFi..
Looney Tunes times for Tinkerbelle.

The military is only writing those assessments because the morons at the White House demanded that they include Global Warming in their plans.. Just like they need write separate promotion plans for the white army, the black army, the gay army, the Muslim army and the Native American army..

 

[RollingThunder]

You've been watchin waaaay to many Sharknado and Day After Tomorrow movies on SciFi..

You've been drinking waaaaaay too much of that ol' denier cult koolaid. Either that or you've had your head jammed up your ass so long, your brain suffocated

The military is only writing those assessments because the morons at the White House demanded that they include Global Warming in their plans.

All of your attempts to deny reality just make you look even more ridiculous and brainwashed, fecalhead.

Now the Pentagon tells Bush: climate change will destroy us
· Secret report warns of rioting and nuclear war
· Britain will be 'Siberian' in less than 20 years
· Threat to the world is greater than terrorism
The Guardian
Mark Townsend and Paul Harris
21 February 2004
(excerpts)
Climate change over the next 20 years could result in a global catastrophe costing millions of lives in wars and natural disasters. A secret report, suppressed by US defence chiefs and obtained by The Observer, warns that major European cities will be sunk beneath rising seas as Britain is plunged into a 'Siberian' climate by 2020. Nuclear conflict, mega-droughts, famine and widespread rioting will erupt across the world. The document predicts that abrupt climate change could bring the planet to the edge of anarchy as countries develop a nuclear threat to defend and secure dwindling food, water and energy supplies. The threat to global stability vastly eclipses that of terrorism, say the few experts privy to its contents. 'Disruption and conflict will be endemic features of life,' concludes the Pentagon analysis. 'Once again, warfare would define human life.'

The findings will prove humiliating to the Bush administration, which has repeatedly denied that climate change even exists. Experts said that they will also make unsettling reading for a President who has insisted national defence is a priority. Climate change 'should be elevated beyond a scientific debate to a US national security concern', say the authors, Peter Schwartz, CIA consultant and former head of planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group, and Doug Randall of the California-based Global Business Network. An imminent scenario of catastrophic climate change is 'plausible and would challenge United States national security in ways that should be considered immediately', they conclude. As early as next year widespread flooding by a rise in sea levels will create major upheaval for millions. Last week the Bush administration came under heavy fire from a large body of respected scientists who claimed that it cherry-picked science to suit its policy agenda and suppressed studies that it did not like.

 

[HenryBHough]

The sky is falling!

The sky is falling!

We must run tell Comrade Obama!

He'll save us!


~ John F'n Kerry giving Algore a sense of direction

 

[RollingThunder]

The sky is falling!
The sky is falling!
We must run tell Comrade Obama!
He'll save us!
~ John F'n Kerry giving Algore a sense of direction[/I

Have you always been a complete idiot, Huffer, or did you recently suffer severe brain damage?

 

[HenryBHough]

Uh, oh!

Sad to see that terrible loss of faith in Comrades Obama, Kerry and Gore. Pray on it if that's allowed.

 

[flacaltenn]

That Guardian article is 10 years old.. You've lost a lot of ground since then Princess ThunderPanties.

And why is it that only British Guardian had access to a SECRET report from some unnamed analyst at the Pentagon??

Yeah --- That's just as credible as the plot of Sharknado...

 

[Kosh]

Funny how the far left/AGW cultists now believes military commanders on this one issue, but not any other.

 

[RollingThunder]

That Guardian article is 10 years old.. You've lost a lot of ground since then Princess ThunderPanties.

You've lost the thread of this debate, you poor bewildered retard. The topic of this thread is the acceptance by the Pentagon of the scientific reality of anthropogenic global warming and the associated climate changes and the threats these pose to national security and world stability. You idiotically denied the meaning and significance of Secretary of Defense Hagel's remarks in the OP so I posted an article from 2009 about the Pentagon's security concerns about AGW and their ongoing efforts to prepare to deal with some probable consequences. You again responded with moronic denial of the facts and a really idiotic claim that the military brass didn't really believe their scientists and analysts and were just pretending to please Obama, ignoring the fact that President Obama had only been in office a few months at that point. I then posted another article about a Pentagon study done around 2003 and finally released in 2004, during the Bush Presidency, that even then warned about the severe security risks inherent in global warming. So you respond by telling me that the article is "10 years old". LOL....you are soooo retarded, it's just pathetic...

And why is it that only British Guardian had access to a SECRET report from some unnamed analyst at the Pentagon?? Yeah --- That's just as credible as the plot of Sharknado...

Well, you see, fecalhead, it's like this....if you just weren't such an ignorant, brainwashed denier cult dupe, you would probably already know that it wasn't "only" the Guardian that carried that story. They were just the first paper to get ahold of the documents and publish them after the Pentagon, under Bush, had sat on them for four months. If you weren't so retarded, you would have looked this up before saying something so stupid.

The Pentagon's Weather Nightmare The climate could change radically, and fast
That would be the mother of all national security issues
CNN Money
By David Stipp
February 9, 2004
(excerpts)
(FORTUNE Magazine) – Global warming may be bad news for future generations, but let's face it, most of us spend as little time worrying about it as we did about al Qaeda before 9/11. Like the terrorists, though, the seemingly remote climate risk may hit home sooner and harder than we ever imagined. In fact, the prospect has become so real that the Pentagon's strategic planners are grappling with it. The threat that has riveted their attention is this: Global warming, rather than causing gradual, centuries-spanning change, may be pushing the climate to a tipping point. Growing evidence suggests the ocean-atmosphere system that controls the world's climate can lurch from one state to another in less than a decade--like a canoe that's gradually tilted until suddenly it flips over. Scientists don't know how close the system is to a critical threshold. But abrupt climate change may well occur in the not-too-distant future. If it does, the need to rapidly adapt may overwhelm many societies--thereby upsetting the geopolitical balance of power.

...Recently, renowned Department of Defense planner Andrew Marshall sponsored a groundbreaking effort to come to grips with the question. A Pentagon legend, Marshall, 82, is known as the Defense Department's "Yoda"--a balding, bespectacled sage whose pronouncements on looming risks have long had an outsized influence on defense policy. Since 1973 he has headed a secretive think tank whose role is to envision future threats to national security. The Department of Defense's push on ballistic-missile defense is known as his brainchild. Three years ago Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld picked him to lead a sweeping review on military "transformation," the shift toward nimble forces and smart weapons. When scientists' work on abrupt climate change popped onto his radar screen, Marshall tapped another eminent visionary, Peter Schwartz, to write a report on the national-security implications of the threat. Schwartz formerly headed planning at Royal Dutch/Shell Group and has since consulted with organizations ranging from the CIA to DreamWorks. Schwartz and co-author Doug Randall at the Monitor Group's Global Business Network, a scenario-planning think tank in Emeryville, Calif., contacted top climate experts and pushed them to talk about what-ifs that they usually shy away from--at least in public. The result is an unclassified report, completed late last year, that the Pentagon has agreed to share with FORTUNE.

 

[jon_berzerk]

but nFunny how the far left/AGW cultists now believes military commanders on this one issue,ot any other.

aint that the truth --LOL

the far left cranks chased David Petraeus

on his first day of teaching

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