US conservative Christian veterans call out “forced starvation of babies” in Gaza by Israeli forces

Yawn.

In the Middle Ages, Baghdad was considered a cultural Mecca which surpassed cities of the West.


Our modern system of mathematical numerals was invented in the Islamic world.


You're entirely uneducated. But that's a given.

700 years ago. Talk about living in the past.
 
No, we who understand history explained it to people like you many times but you insist on creating one of your many conspiracies from it. You don't want to hear the truth and I won't explain it again. You know, pearls before swine

I feel sure that your mountain top community find you endearing and helpful .
But stay up there in your rarified world because your surreal sense of fun will not be appreciated in the real world .

People who go around saying
" we who understand history " invariably are locked away for life or stoned to death if the para medics arrive too late .
My message to you is :-
"Wagga wagga bumba wumba . With a lemon twist""
 
If the arab lie about Gaza were true everyone would care

Are you ok with dems in california running pot farms using unaccompanied minors for slave labor?

Those children have brown skin too
I know you are concerned about those brown children, so concerned that you have called for all the white owners to be arrested. Oh wait, no you haven't done that.
 




This did not happen when the US invaded and occupied Iraq^ one can support Zionism while also opposing the vile satanic beasts that are inside the IDF. It’s just common sense.

Also had a Green Beret Veterans who said he never saw this before in other areas of the world he was deployed in. The Green Beret was working with the IDF and US military contractors at food distribution points and he visibly saw IDF soldiers firing upon random Palestinian civilians trying to get food…..

millions of Jews including some IDF soliders oppose the fanatic beasts in the IDF.

Many people understand this. But the beasts inside the Netanyahu administration and their Allies in congress are simply engaging in tactics/lies of calling people racist or what not if they oppose them. They will also lie and claim “Israel is facing extinction” ….nope the people of Gaza lack any kind of a legitimate military, no tanks, no military jets no way to do anything. There are no military jets or tanks on the ground in Tel Aviv. Israel is in full control of the situation.

Again people can support Zionism while calling out the vile policies of Netanyahu. This is his war.

Hamas is starving the people if Gaza. They steal the food and let the surplus rot
 
I know you are concerned about those brown children, so concerned that you have called for all the white owners to be arrested. Oh wait, no you haven't done that.

1. I thought they were arrested. I certainly support them being arrested.

2. YOu sure they are white? I kind of assumed they were Mexicans. Isn't california a minority majority state?
 
Well, much to discuss here. First and foremost people can support the idea of Zionism and the Israeli state while criticizing Netanyahu…. So it’s not really what should Israel do what can Israel do. There are of citizens of Israel who are infuriated with Netanyahu.
Of course there are. One year ago, there were Citizens of the U.S. who were infuriated with Joe BIden, now there are American ciizens who are infuriated with Donald Trump. Welcome to the arena.

That some Jews oppose fighting Hamas has no evidentiary value in arguing that Israel should not fight Hamas. There are Americans who believe we should not deport illegals, in spite of how much they damage our nation and kill our children. Means nothnig about the rightness or wrongness.
Yes there are bloodthirsty people in Hamas who hate Israelis. There’s also Jews in Israel who hate Palestinians. Some of them in positions of power who have been on record in public saying all Palestinians should be removed from Gaza to make way for Jewish settlers. The difference is that Hamas has no military capability to take control of Israel let alone defend Gaza as I will discuss more below. Btw I believe most people in the world are good people, including those in Gaza and in Israel.

Well Ron Paul said that Israel funded Hamas early on. And going deeper into that we can come to our own conclusion that its possible they did so to prop up a fundamentalist Islamic group as opposed to the PLO which was more secular Arab nationalist Inclusive of Christians. The 20th century was filled with many Arab Christians opposing and fighting Israel. Even in the modern era tons of Arab Christians oppose Israel, just recall Ted Cruz being booed at a conservative Arab conference when he was speaking in front of Arab Christians and he praised Israel. So there you go this thing goes pretty deep and it’s a complex situation much more than Israel simply funding them one time and saying well we made a mistake. Hard to come to the conclusion that Hamas which is a conservative far right Islamic group is worse than a secular minded PLO.

Genuinely it’s interesting to look at the top leadership of Hamas and Wonder who are these people connected to who is paying them. Is it some sort of a conspiracy with Israeli politicians involved ? It’s a fair question to ask. Maybe the answer is no and even if the answer is no, they are still many problems for the Israeli government to answer to.

I have no doubt that individuals who join groups like Hamas are evil motivated by bloodlust or even greed or even fundamentalism. That’s the same thing with Al-Qaeda and ISIL.

But the situation goes even further. How about October 7 itself. Let’s just use our own heads here. A reasonable person would say how in the most monitored area in the world did October 7 occur??I even had an Israeli soldier who supports Netanyahu literally tell me he believed “the cameras were turned off on Oct 7”. He was shocked that hamas was able to be inside Israel as long as it was without a quick response from the IDF.

And again, using our own senses and logic, the reason would be political. As there are politicians in Israel who want to cleanse Gaza but in order to do so they need a reason for that…..what better than October 7. ….There’s also evidence that Egypt provided intelligence to Israel, warning about a Hamas attack before October 7.

There are religious supremacists in Israel and in Gaza. Before 1948 Jewish terrorists killed British civilians. Generally speaking if a group does not have access to an organized military that’s what they’re going to do. That is what Hamas is doing. Still Israel is over playing the Hamas card as Hamas has no capability of occupying Israel. Hamas is incapable of defending Gaza compared to say Ukraine, which is capable of defending Ukraine with the Ukrainian military, which has military jets sophisticated weapons, including top technology. Top-tier drones.



further more the way that Israel has handled the siege of Gaza is much different than how the United States military handled It’s siege of Iraq and Afghanistan. OK, biggest of all would be the starvation issue. Food not being able to be delivered to the people of Gaza, as Israel controls the food and power and supplies into Gaza. Simply ask yourself how the United States was able to make sure there was not a starvation crisis in Iraq, even though they had to deal with Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Al-Qaeda is much worse compared to Hamas

I think There is a fundamental difference between the far right in Israel and the American military. Israel does not have an excuse to justify the starvation of the people of Gaza or the many civilians it has killed. They’re able to do pinpoint operations assassinations of enemies all over the world remember the pager operation also in Lebanon. And yet they claim that they cannot avoid as many civilians as they have had.

Finally, let’s look at what the Green Beret and other American officers some of whom have been directly on the ground in Gaza by the food distribution centers. They claim Israeli soldiers are committing war crimes. Some of them even say their IDF officer friends are acknowledging Israelis are committing war crimes. This all has to be acknowledged by people who are defending Netanyahu I’m not saying you’re defending Netanyahu . Plenty of people support Israel, but are critical of Netanyahu. This last paragraph might be the biggest point of all because it has nothing to do with Hamas or Muslims. It is coming from American Christian conservatives members of our military, and even Israeli officers, saying they witnessed on the ground in Gaza crimes committed by the IDF.
I'm going to give a short response, but I assure you that I read your lengthy post entirely, re-reading some parts.

The conspiracy theory aspect, I find no evidence for other than "what if" thinking which is the basis of conspiracy theory mentality.

I agree that Israel is deliberately killing civilians, just as the U.S. did in trying to subdue German and Japan. What is Israel's alternative to a full defeat of Hamas? How much future killing and terrorizing of their citizens should they accept, and what would be the goal for that accepance?

What exactly SHOULD Israel do in regards to Gaza, Hamas, and the Arabs in Gaza?
 
I know you are concerned about those brown children, so concerned that you have called for all the white owners to be arrested. Oh wait, no you haven't done that.
If the white farmer is part of ms13 and using illegal alien child slave labor then be my guest if you can get permission from Gavan Newsom
 
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Good post, but how do you define Zionism?
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There are different schools of thought on the issue.

Personally, I would like to see a return of the Catholic kingdom of Jerusalem. But we are where we are. And the bottom line is every group of people Jews, Muslims Christians etc are going to have supremacists, but they’re also going to have those who are not judgmental of people with different color or religion.
 
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The issue is the Netanyahu administration not Jews or Muslims. This is a modern war. This ain’t the 1940s. The starvation of the children of Gaza in 2025 is pure evil. Only supported by racist Jews and their brainwashed supporters.


What does one say to Christian conservatives from the US military. Some who were on the ground in Gaza working by the food distribution sites who have said IDF soldiers are committing war crimes? What do you say to that. You just gonna call them Muslims or something?

What do you say to the 31 Israeli scholars recently who signed a petition saying that Israel is committing a genocide in Gaza. What do you say to a former Prime Minister of Israel Who says Netanyahu is a war criminal ….and the many many Jews in Israel, who believe it was very well possible that rogue officials within the Israeli government allowed October 7 to occur for political purposes.
The IDF isn't starving children.
 




This did not happen when the US invaded and occupied Iraq^ one can support Zionism while also opposing the vile satanic beasts that are inside the IDF. It’s just common sense.

Also had a Green Beret Veterans who said he never saw this before in other areas of the world he was deployed in. The Green Beret was working with the IDF and US military contractors at food distribution points and he visibly saw IDF soldiers firing upon random Palestinian civilians trying to get food…..

millions of Jews including some IDF soliders oppose the fanatic beasts in the IDF.

Many people understand this. But the beasts inside the Netanyahu administration and their Allies in congress are simply engaging in tactics/lies of calling people racist or what not if they oppose them. They will also lie and claim “Israel is facing extinction” ….nope the people of Gaza lack any kind of a legitimate military, no tanks, no military jets no way to do anything. There are no military jets or tanks on the ground in Tel Aviv. Israel is in full control of the situation.

Again people can support Zionism while calling out the vile policies of Netanyahu. This is his war.

**** em and Yassir Arafat
 
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