I'll acknowledge it. AI says that Israel inadvertently or intentionally provided Hamas resources, so I'll acknowledge it. Apperently, they thought it would help them against enemies who at the time were worse.
What can Israel say except "seemed like a good idea at the time?"
What does that history mean for current dealings with an organization that uses violence against Palestinians in Gaza to keep them in line and keep them on board for their suicidal attempt to wipe Israel off the map, killing every Jew in the middle East, and not allowing any two-state solution if one of the states is Jewish?
Should Netanyahu say, "yes, it was terrible what Hamas did on October 7th, and what they will keep doing to innocent Israelis as long as they are able to draw breath and get funds from Iran. But . . . we'd be hypocritical to fight them, since we once provided them funding?"
Well, much to discuss here. First and foremost people can support the idea of Zionism and the Israeli state while criticizing Netanyahu…. So it’s not really what should Israel do what can Israel do. There are of citizens of Israel who are infuriated with Netanyahu.
Yes there are bloodthirsty people in Hamas who hate Israelis. There’s also Jews in Israel who hate Palestinians. Some of them in positions of power who have been on record in public saying all Palestinians should be removed from Gaza to make way for Jewish settlers. The difference is that Hamas has no military capability to take control of Israel let alone defend Gaza as I will discuss more below. Btw I believe most people in the world are good people, including those in Gaza and in Israel.
Well Ron Paul said that Israel funded Hamas early on. And going deeper into that we can come to our own conclusion that its possible they did so to prop up a fundamentalist Islamic group as opposed to the PLO which was more secular Arab nationalist Inclusive of Christians. The 20th century was filled with many Arab Christians opposing and fighting Israel. Even in the modern era tons of Arab Christians oppose Israel, just recall Ted Cruz being booed at a conservative Arab conference when he was speaking in front of Arab Christians and he praised Israel. So there you go this thing goes pretty deep and it’s a complex situation much more than Israel simply funding them one time and saying well we made a mistake. Hard to come to the conclusion that Hamas which is a conservative far right Islamic group is worse than a secular minded PLO.
Genuinely it’s interesting to look at the top leadership of Hamas and Wonder who are these people connected to who is paying them. Is it some sort of a conspiracy with Israeli politicians involved ? It’s a fair question to ask. Maybe the answer is no and even if the answer is no, they are still many problems for the Israeli government to answer to.
I have no doubt that individuals who join groups like Hamas are evil motivated by bloodlust or even greed or even fundamentalism. That’s the same thing with Al-Qaeda and ISIL.
But the situation goes even further. How about October 7 itself. Let’s just use our own heads here. A reasonable person would say how in the most monitored area in the world did October 7 occur??I even had an Israeli soldier who supports Netanyahu literally tell me he believed “the cameras were turned off on Oct 7”. He was shocked that hamas was able to be inside Israel as long as it was without a quick response from the IDF.
And again, using our own senses and logic, the reason would be political. As there are politicians in Israel who want to cleanse Gaza but in order to do so they need a reason for that…..what better than October 7. ….There’s also evidence that Egypt provided intelligence to Israel, warning about a Hamas attack before October 7.
There are religious supremacists in Israel and in Gaza. Before 1948 Jewish terrorists killed British civilians. Generally speaking if a group does not have access to an organized military that’s what they’re going to do. That is what Hamas is doing. Still Israel is over playing the Hamas card as Hamas has no capability of occupying Israel. Hamas is incapable of defending Gaza compared to say Ukraine, which is capable of defending Ukraine with the Ukrainian military, which has military jets sophisticated weapons, including top technology. Top-tier drones.
further more the way that Israel has handled the siege of Gaza is much different than how the United States military handled It’s siege of Iraq and Afghanistan. OK, biggest of all would be the starvation issue. Food not being able to be delivered to the people of Gaza, as Israel controls the food and power and supplies into Gaza. Simply ask yourself how the United States was able to make sure there was not a starvation crisis in Iraq, even though they had to deal with Al-Qaeda in Iraq. Al-Qaeda is much worse compared to Hamas
I think There is a fundamental difference between the far right in Israel and the American military. Israel does not have an excuse to justify the starvation of the people of Gaza or the many civilians it has killed. They’re able to do pinpoint operations assassinations of enemies all over the world remember the pager operation also in Lebanon. And yet they claim that they cannot avoid as many civilians as they have had.
Finally, let’s look at what the Green Beret and other American officers some of whom have been directly on the ground in Gaza by the food distribution centers. They claim Israeli soldiers are committing war crimes. Some of them even say their IDF officer friends are acknowledging Israelis are committing war crimes. This all has to be acknowledged by people who are defending Netanyahu I’m not saying you’re defending Netanyahu . Plenty of people support Israel, but are critical of Netanyahu. This last paragraph might be the biggest point of all because it has nothing to do with Hamas or Muslims. It is coming from American Christian conservatives members of our military, and even Israeli officers, saying they witnessed on the ground in Gaza crimes committed by the IDF.
