Upcoming Israeli Elections

[rylah]

Update on recent Samir Kuntar's fan-club demands:

• Appointments - head of Interior and Finance committees
• Political Arrangement: 2 State Solution based on '67 lines
• Cancellation - Nationality Law and privileges for ex-military
• Infrastructure - Arab city, Arab university, Arab hospital
• Budget - $18 billion for the Arab community
• Legislation - Basic Law of Equality, reinforcing the Basic Law of Dignity and Liberty.
• War on Crime - govt decision to eradicate crime in Arab settlements
• Employment - establishment of industrial zones in Arab settlements

What is interesting to me is what people’s concerns, which don’t reported on much outside of Israel. Crime and community investment seem to feature in several of their points.

Crime and community investment...

They came to President Rivlin with Osama Sa'adi who's extended family member, a young pregnant woman was murdered at their wedding only 2 weeks ago, reaching more than 60 fatalities due to family disputes since the beginning of the year, just in the Sa'adi family alone. So they came to turn the blame on the govt, which they are not even prepared to join.

MK's Aiman Odeh and Ahmad Tibi opened with accusation of racism, and openly stated they would do anything to overthrow PM Netanyahu. Ahmad Tibi closed with "we are not citizens in this state, we are the owners" and as if apologized to their electorate, explaining the only reason they even give a recommendation for the assembly is because "we will do anything to overthrow Netanyahu".

Then Mansour Abbas, of the Islamic Movement talked about the "sickness" that needs to be cured,
in that the Waqf should be allowed to apply all over the land, swiftly mentioning the Al Aqsa mosque "status quo".

Coyote, they demanded to head the Finance committee, which includes Defense budget,
and the Interior committee which is responsible for all infrastructure planning, border control, and local government. That's only for a recommendation to the President to assemble a govt, and just the 1st of the demands on the list.

The $18bil community budget demand, so that You have some context, is to a party that promised to take $300mil from the Orthodox Education as a solution to the housing problem.

That's just racket bordering insanity.
With all these demands and much more, they're not talking about joining Blue and White to form coalition with the 3 IDF generals, so what do they provide in the current equation?

 

[rylah]

Avigdor Lieberman - "The Joint List are enemies;
We won't recommend Gantz or anyone else"

"Regarding our recommendation to the President, all of Israel Beyteynu faction sat for hours all together, and I think reached the same conclusion - from our side all our commitments to our voters are iron, and we do not intend on moving from them to any direction. The moment Binyamin Netanyahu and the Likud decided to close the block with the Orthodox parties, and with the "Messianic bunch", we cannot recommend Netanyahu, and we cannot be part of this coalition. Also regarding the chair of Blue and White Benny Gantz, from everything that we see today it's clear he's keeping the option of forming a govt with the Orthodox parties and the Joint List.

Regarding the Orthodox we've already said, and I emphasize that the Orthodox parties are political opponents, not an enemy.

Regarding the Joint List, it's explicitly enemies.
This is not political opponents, this is enemies, and wherever they are,
we will be on the opposite side."

 

[Coyote]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

If you think accepting Cuban cigars as a gift is a serious offense.

 

[rylah]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

Only HaShem knows.

Understand this simple principle - if all it took to take out a candidate was to press charges, then it would invite abuse of the judiciary system under a political premise, thus making the election institution void.

Provoking anger is a common tool in politics, another no less important tool is constructive criticism, different people are motivated by different combinations of both. What You call "anger" might be associated with something completely different that they may not like about PM Netanyahu's decisions.
You can look at this from a different perspective - even under such uneasy circumstances and with so much criticism from all sides, majority of the nation still voted for him, and for parties that recommend him to form the govt.

What may anger the opponents of PM Netanyahu, is that after all the efforts to raise the "Only not Bibi" flag they're left to depend on the anti-Zionist Joint List, to not even reach anywhere close to majority but merely stay in the game, and that everything he warned about happens before our eyes.

 

[Indeependent]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

How about all the corrupt leaders in the Arab and African nations who execute anyone who wants to accuse them of even the smallest crimes?

 

[Coyote]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

Only HaShem knows.

Understand this simple principle - if all it took to take out a candidate was to press charges, then it would invite abuse of the judiciary system under a political premise, thus making the election institution void.

Provoking anger is a common tool in politics, another no less important tool is constructive criticism, different people are motivated by different combinations of both. What You call "anger" might be associated with something completely different that they may not like about PM Netanyahu's decisions.
You can look at this from a different perspective - even under such uneasy circumstances and with so much criticism from all sides, majority of the nation still voted for him, and for parties that recommend him to form the govt.

What may anger the opponents of PM Netanyahu, is that after all the efforts to raise the "Only not Bibi" flag they're left to depend on the anti-Zionist Joint List, to not even reach anywhere close to majority but merely stay in the game, and that everything he warned about happens before our eyes.

But it isn’t just pressing charges isn’t it? There has to be sufficient evidence for it to go to court right?

From my perspective I could not imagine supporting a candidate that was facing those charges on the one hand and planning to legislate it so he would not have to face those charges.

 

[Coyote]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

How about all the corrupt leaders in the Arab and African nations who execute anyone who wants to accuse them of even the smallest crimes?

What about them? They are a huge problem for their countries. Are you trying to say corruption is acceptable if you like the corrupt guy?

 

[Coyote]

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Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

If you think accepting Cuban cigars as a gift is a serious offense.

Is that what it is?

Investigations involving Benjamin Netanyahu - Wikipedia
The first of the investigations, dubbed "Case 1000", opened officially in December 2016. This investigation looked into valuable presents and gifts received by Netanyahu, and his family throughout the years from several known wealthy acquaintances of the family.

• "Case 2000" deals with recorded conversations Netanyahu had with the publisher of Yedioth Ahronoth, one of the largest newspapers in circulation in Israel. During these conversations Netanyahu is believed to have proposed to push legislation harming Yedioth's major competitor, Israel Hayom, in exchange for more flattering and positive coverage of himself in Yedioth.
• "Case 3000" does not directly involve Netanyahu, as it involves a list of businessmen, lawyers, and officials in the security organizations in Israel, and their connection to a deal made between Israel and Germany in what may be a bribed deal, for the purchase of three Dolphin-class submarines and four Sa'ar 6-class corvette warships. Some of these individuals are related to Netanyahu due to professional or family ties.
• "Case 4000" regards telecommunications company Bezeq's relationship with its regulator, the communication ministry (Netanyahu being the minister until February 2017), and favorable coverage to Netanyahu in Walla!.
• Case "1270" is an offshoot of "4000" and involves an alleged appointment bribe offer to an Attorney General of Israelcandidate in exchange for dropping a case against Netanyahu's wife.

 

[Indeependent]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

How about all the corrupt leaders in the Arab and African nations who execute anyone who wants to accuse them of even the smallest crimes?

What about them? They are a huge problem for their countries. Are you trying to say corruption is acceptable if you like the corrupt guy?

I’m explicit stating that you are very picky when it comes to Israel.
Heck, Congress accepts bribes all day and I don’t hear a peep out of you.

 

[rylah]

Is it likely Netanyahu could be PM again?

This is what I don't understand - if he is facing imminent corruption charges in court - how can he even be considered in the running? Doesn't that anger people? Corruption would be pretty serious coming from a head of state imo.

Only HaShem knows.

Understand this simple principle - if all it took to take out a candidate was to press charges, then it would invite abuse of the judiciary system under a political premise, thus making the election institution void.

Provoking anger is a common tool in politics, another no less important tool is constructive criticism, different people are motivated by different combinations of both. What You call "anger" might be associated with something completely different that they may not like about PM Netanyahu's decisions.
You can look at this from a different perspective - even under such uneasy circumstances and with so much criticism from all sides, majority of the nation still voted for him, and for parties that recommend him to form the govt.

What may anger the opponents of PM Netanyahu, is that after all the efforts to raise the "Only not Bibi" flag they're left to depend on the anti-Zionist Joint List, to not even reach anywhere close to majority but merely stay in the game, and that everything he warned about happens before our eyes.

But it isn’t just pressing charges isn’t it? There has to be sufficient evidence for it to go to court right?

From my perspective I could not imagine supporting a candidate that was facing those charges on the one hand and planning to legislate it so he would not have to face those charges.

That's what the pre-hearing is meant for, to let every side present basic evidence so as to decide whether there's a legal cause to proceed with a hearing.

In the meantime all You're talking about is taking out PM as a candidate in elections, basing Your whole reasoning on what has been presented outside the court by the complainant.
That's exactly what I meant, spreading suspicion among candidates is a common tactic, this is acceptable in the media, but if all it takes is suspicion created by the charges of the accusation to ban a candidate, then it makes both legal process and electoral institute obsolete.


Well that's from Your perspective, from the perspective of the vote of the majority of Israeli public that has been presented with tons of documents, investigation updates, and countless hours of interpretations and speculations by the media, for the last 4-5 years on a daily basis - the suspicion does not suffice a no-confidence motion. Quiet the opposite, given the overwhelming opposition from the media and conduct of several institutions of the establishment leading the investigation, majority of Israelis concluded there was more likely enough cause for suspicion of political persecution, abuse of power and damage to national interests and public safety, sufficient to be investigated in the conduct of the investigators and plaintiff themselves. All the more so giving a majority vote for the candidate to entrust with leadership.

Probably for many it looks like what media and political oppositions usually do when they don't get to realize their vision through elections, they have a tendency to start blaming the nation itself for not following through.

On a more public level, this careless attitude towards governance seems to develop into a whole cultural trend which encourages confusion between the ability to throw accusations in the air with facts of reality and constructive political discourse. Thus both undermining civil responsibility and government accountability and gradually the of ability of any free society to form governing institutions.

When criticism and charges come with a demand to "break the vessels", especially in light of the upcoming negotiations attempt, it is enough a cause of concern in the opposite direction.

 

[rylah]

State President's Consultations for the Government's Assembly with the factions: Blue and White, Likud, Joint List, Shas and Israel Beitenu.

Live broadcast

State President's Consultations for Government Assembly
with the factions: Torah Judaism, Yeminah, Labor and the Democratic Camp.

Live broadcast



To sum up, after Israel Beytenu following their declaration abstained as expected, along with a fraction of the Arab Joint List withdrawing their recommendation:

PM Netanyahu has recommendations from 55 members of Knesset,
while former general Gantz has recommendations from 54 members of Knesset.

Now the President has to appoint the candidate most capable of forming the government.

 

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First step in formation of unity government?
PM Netanyahu, Gantz meet President Rivlin in attempt to break election deadlock.

President Reuven Rivlin met Monday evening with Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu and Blue and White leader Benny Gantz in an attempt to convince the leaders to agree to form a unity government.

Channel 13 News reported that President Rivlin will not seek to impose the task of forming a government on one of the candidates after neither Gantz nor Netanyahu received the recommendation of 61 MKs to form a coalition. Netanyahu has received 55 recommendations compared to 54 for Gantz.

Leaders of the Likud negotiating team Ministers Yariv Levin and Ze'ev Elkin are also at the Prime Minister's Residence together with leaders of the Blue and White negotiation team.

Arutz Sheva - Israel National News

 

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Final election results see Likud up to 32 Knesset seats
Likud's gain is United Torah Judaism's loss, as ultra-Orthodox party drops to 7 Knesset seats. Division of Knesset seats among political blocs remains unchanged, with Center-Left holding on to 57 seats compared to the Right's 55.

The Central Elections Committee announced the final results of Israel's do-over election on Wednesday night. According to the committee, the Likud has gone up one Knesset seat to 32, at the expense of United Torah Judaism, which dropped from eight Knesset seats to seven.

The division of Knesset seats among the blocs, however, remains unchanged, with the center-left camp holding on to 57 Knesset seats compared to the right-wing bloc's 55.

The Blue and White party remains in the lead with 33 Knesset seats, followed by the Likud which now has 32. In third place is the Joint Arab List with 13 Knesset seats, followed by Shas with nine, and Yisrael Beytenu with eight. Following the election committee's announcement, UTJ and Yamina both garnered seven Knesset seats. The Labor-Gesher alliance has six, and the Democratic Union, five.

According to the Central Elections Committee's announcement, the past few days have the results of the election analyzed in various ways, including a comparative examination of the results to oversee the entering of the results both at the ballot boxes as well as with the counting of the double ballots. A number of polling stations across the country were also assessed for electoral purity. Additional polling stations were re-examined following inquiries from the public and the various parties' Knesset lists, as well as due to incidents that occurred on Election Day.


The changes to the final results are the result of, among other things, the disqualification of ballots from six polling stations in Israel's north where evidence of alleged forgery was found. Three of the stations were in the Druze village of Yarka, while the others were situated in the northern Arab cities of Sakhnin, Shfaram, and Arraba.

Jerusalem Post

 

[rylah]

President Rivlin Tasks Netanyahu to Form Next Government

Now, Israel's long-time leader who has the backing of 55 Knesset members -- six seats short of a parliamentary majority margin -- will try once again to form a coalition following the second consecutive deadlocked elections.



PM Netanyahu talks about the need of preparing the nation for what's coming next...
In a manner that sounds more serious than ever before.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Looks like Netanyahu is gonna try to force a third election.

In a Twist, Netanyahu Wins a Chance to Keep His Job

 

[rylah]

Looks like Netanyahu is gonna try to force a third election.

In a Twist, Netanyahu Wins a Chance to Keep His Job

You're just buying into the lies of anti-Israel propaganda.

Actually Netanyahu is the only one,
who's actually encouraged formation of a Unity govt to prevent that.

 

[ForeverYoung436]

President Rivlin Tasks Netanyahu to Form Next Government

Now, Israel's long-time leader who has the backing of 55 Knesset members -- six seats short of a parliamentary majority margin -- will try once again to form a coalition following the second consecutive deadlocked elections.

What do you think about the Israeli Arabs shooting themselves in the foot, just like the Palestinians do all the time? If the Arab party Balad had not broken ranks with the other Arab Joint List parties, and had voted to recommend Gantz for PM, then Gantz would've had 57 recommendations as opposed to Bibi's 55, and HE would've been asked to form the next gov't! The Arabs in Israel could've defeated their arch-enemy Bibi, but their hatred of Jews won out over logic.

 

[Natural Citizen]

You're just buying into the lies of anti-Israel propaganda.

Actually Netanyahu is the only one, who's actually encouraged formation of a Unity govt to prevent that.

Well. Opinions vary. We'll see how it goes, I suppose.

 

[member]

You're just buying into the lies of anti-Israel propaganda.

Actually Netanyahu is the only one, who's actually encouraged formation of a Unity govt to prevent that.

Well. Opinions vary. We'll see how it goes, I suppose.

they look like....brothers.....twins...


....look at "the other sides" government......

a bunch of terrorists and ....abbass ​